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What the new Premier League Squad regulations mean to us

OpenHeartZoo

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In light of all the threads discussing how the squad should be improved for next season, I thought it might be worth considering how the new regulations may factor.

As most of you will know, at the beginning of next season the Premier League's new squad rulings will come into place.

• Squads must comprise of 25 registered first team players of 21 years or over.
• 8 of this 25 man senior squad must be homegrown players.
• You can own and play as many under 21 players as you like, no matter what their nationality.

A homegrown talent is defined as a player who is either English, Welsh or who has spent three years training in England or Wales prior to turning 21. So far as I can work out, anyone born in 1989 or after doesn't need to be registered as part of the 25-man squad, anyone born in 1988 or before does. If anyone understands differently then please correct me and i'll edit it.

This leaves our current situation looking like this. Homegrown players are in bold.

First Teamers:

Gomes, Cudicini, Alnwick, Walker

Naughton, Kaboul, Corluka, Hutton, Dawson, Woodgate, King, Bassong, Assou-Ekotto, Dervitte

Lennon, Bentley, Huddlestone, Palacios, Jenas, Sandro, O'Hara, Modric, Kranjcar

Defoe, Crouch, Pavlyuchenko, Keane


So including loaned out players, we currently have a 27 man squad. (Dervitte and Naughton no longer constitute young players under the ruling.) Of those 27 that need to be registered, 14 are homegrown.


Under 21's:

Bale, Walker, Bostock, Parrett, Rose, Livermore, Mason, Townsend, Obika, Gio, Tarrabt


Interestingly, Bale is the only player who regularly starts for us who constitutes a young player under the ruling, and thus doesn't need to be registered. However, removing him from the 25 does remove another home grown talent.

So at the moment it looks pretty good. We fulfill the contingent, and only need to trim a couple from the squad to get the numbers down, several of whom are out on loan anyway. Issues only begin to arise when you consider the players that are likely to be leaving, and those with question marks over their futures.

Very likely to leave:

J Walker - Likely to leave when we have a proper number 2 in place.
O'Hara - Very likely to leave, unhappy as a squad player.
Dervitte - Barely featured for us and likely to be moved on to make space in the 25.
Keane - Not been the same since his return, likely to move on whilst he still has value.
Hutton - Never really found his place in the team and we have better right backs already.

Question marks:

Alnwick - Could be trimmed or could stay as third choice.
Naughton - When push comes to shove will he make the 25 man squad? Could be out on loan again.
Jenas - Many expect him to move on to another challenge this summer, myself included.
Bentley - Unlikely to get many games ahead of Lennon but the last couple of months could be enough to make him want to stay on.
Woodgate - Rumoured to be retiring. Pray it's not true.

So 3 homegrown players are very likely to leave, and another 5 have various rumours surrounding them.

Conclusions:

Ok, so we don't need to panic. We're in a strong position, I imagine stronger than a few other clubs in the league. We have a decent core of English players at the moment and no-one can force us to sell. It does however restrict us ever so slightly in the transfer market. Those of us who were hoping to see Jenas replaced with Altintop, Bentley replaced with Srna and Crouch replaced with Dzeko may need to think again. That's not to say we can't and won't sign any foreign players, but it is going to be a delicate balancing act and compromises may have to be made along the way in order to comply with the new rules.

Overall though I think we're in a decent position in comparison to some clubs around us. I would imagine there will be a few clubs hunting around for decent English players this summer and as such the value of those we do sell will be at a premium. It also makes possible homegrown targets of our own like Bellamy and Cole that bit more appealing.
 

leffe186

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This is the first time I've thought of this - it actually puts a huge amount of pressure on the under-21s to break through early. If you cut out those likely to leave and add in one forward then that leaves a squad of 23 - Bale will soon make it 24. It becomes a pretty stable squad, without much deadwood. As a result, any player approaching 21 will have to cement his place in the first team squad or leave. If we bring in another player (say, Diarra) then the youngster has to fight to oust an incumbent. That's going to be exciting, but could prove quite divisive.

I'd love to see how this affects other clubs, like, say, Man City, Chelsea or Liverpool.
 

DC_Boy

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good info - cheers

so

Gomes, Cudicini, x (might be homegrown)

Naughton, Kaboul, Corluka, Dawson, King, Bassong, x, Assou-Ekotto,

Lennon, Bentley, Huddlestone, Palacios,Sandro, O'Hara, Modric, Kranjcar

Defoe, Crouch, Pavlyuchenko, x

might be something like next year's squad

youngsters include bale, maybe walker

seems no major problem - i don't think we'll lose all three of jj, o'hara and bentley, without at least one homegrown replacing them

i'm assuming alnwick will be upgraded - but for example schmeichel would be homegrown/under 21?- ditto lewis?
 

leffe186

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Of those you mentioned don't City have a very good academy set up?

Yeah, not saying the clubs mentioned will be up shit creek but when you write our squad out 25 suddenly doesn't seem like a great deal. Factor in the transition of players when they are no longer under-21 and it could get interesting.
 

DC_Boy

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i wouldn't want to see our squad contain less than 8 homegrown players anyway, so it's not onerous to me at all

and i think harry and danny are of the same feeling, they like to have a fair amount of homegrown players in the team and squad regardless of regulations
 

leffe186

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i wouldn't want to see our squad contain less than 8 homegrown players anyway, so it's not onerous to me at all

and i think harry and danny are of the same feeling, they like to have a fair amount of homegrown players in the team and squad regardless of regulations

I agree with you, but if you look at your squad you have 9 homegrown players, one of whom has already stated that he does not want to play second fiddle and another who may not be able to continue playing beyond next season (sad but still possible). That's cutting it too fine for me. You would need to look at homegrown players for at least one or two of the gaps which would automatically push prices up. Bale will help, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a squad containing less than 11 homegrown players, for the sake of stability. When those players come to renegotiate their contracts they will automatically be in a position of strength.

There are so many permutations when you look at the short- medium- and long-term. I'm just really glad we're in the position we're in.
 

DC_Boy

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I agree with you, but if you look at your squad you have 9 homegrown players, one of whom has already stated that he does not want to play second fiddle and another who may not be able to continue playing beyond next season (sad but still possible). That's cutting it too fine for me. You would need to look at homegrown players for at least one or two of the gaps which would automatically push prices up. Bale will help, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a squad containing less than 11 homegrown players, for the sake of stability. When those players come to renegotiate their contracts they will automatically be in a position of strength.

There are so many permutations when you look at the short- medium- and long-term. I'm just really glad we're in the position we're in.

i don't think it's cutting it too fine at all - we only need 8, I've named 9, bale can make ten if we want presumably, and there are four 'xs' any or all of them could be replaced by homegrown players, so a reasonable guess is there will be 10 or 11

i don't think there's a major problem at all

the season after next is a different country - players will come in and out, and as i say i think harry and danny wil be wanting to keep a homegrown presence regardless of regulations
 

punky

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I wonder why Wales is included but not Scotland? Bit weird that one.

Also it looks like Taraabt doesn't qualify because we signed him 2 weeks late. We signed him on the 8th June 2007. He turns 21 on the 24th May 2010. However we loaned him in January 2007 so does that count?
 

leffe186

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i don't think it's cutting it too fine at all - we only need 8, I've named 9, bale can make ten if we want presumably, and there are four 'xs' any or all of them could be replaced by homegrown players, so a reasonable guess is there will be 10 or 11

i don't think there's a major problem at all

the season after next is a different country - players will come in and out, and as i say i think harry and danny wil be wanting to keep a homegrown presence regardless of regulations
That's kind of my point though, we need to have an eye on the next few years. I'm not having a go at you or your squad at all, mine would be pretty much the same. My point is that when I looked at our squad I realised just how important the decent, not-great-but-good-enough-as-cover homegrown squad players are. I totally agree, it's not a major problem for us, but it's certainly a major consideration.

I only see three x's but your squad has 23 players so adding Bale (21 soon) still leaves room for manouevre. If we presume that the forward x is foreign (the only viable homegrown option I see is Carlton Cole) then that leaves 2. Kasper Schmeichel sounds like a good shout for keeper (I believe he's homegrown).

Again, not saying there's a major problem or disagreeing with you, just trying to emphasise the importance of keeping players like, say Jenas. I was all for selling him before looking at the squad closely, now I'm not so sure.
 

joey55

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I wonder why Wales is included but not Scotland? Bit weird that one.

Also it looks like Taraabt doesn't qualify because we signed him 2 weeks late. We signed him on the 8th June 2007. He turns 21 on the 24th May 2010. However we loaned him in January 2007 so does that count?

I think it's because Welsh pro teams play in England, whilst Scotland have their own league.
 

DoublePivot

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By the way, if Jenas and O'Hara were to leave, their value just went up because of this rule.
 

punky

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Really? That's potentially genius. Either we keep him and he helps our quota or his value is raised in the transfer market.


Don't know, but may be to do with Cardiff and Swansea in the League?

Ahh yes of course. Makes sense. :up:
 
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