Vertonghen as DM?

[Mullers]

I don't think it will make any difference it won't stop are defenders making errors, if we end up laying Verts or Chirches in midfield, that's fucked, there is no point in Stambouli and Capoue staying then.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't think it will make any difference it won't stop are defenders making errors, if we end up laying Verts or Chirches in midfield, that's fucked, there is no point in Stambouli and Capoue staying then.

It would stop the defenders having so many opportunities to make those errors.

Don't get me wrong, the individual errors are ultimately our downfall, but if the defenders are under constant pressure because they are getting no protection from the midfield then sooner or later they are bound to make those mistakes.

It would be like giving a striker 20 shots at goal. If the keeper saves 19 and makes one mistake, the keeper gets the blame, but surely the question should be why were they getting 20 shots in the first place?

Mason and Bentaleb simply don't offer the cover we need in midfield and we need to do something about that soon otherwise we will continue to concede goals.

 

[parklane1]

Am I the only one who still thinks Jan is a good centre back?

No, he is the best CB at the club and one of the best in the Prem ( imo).

 

[knowlespurs]

Can't see why we would put our best defender in a position where actually we do have a bit of depth and quality

 

[parklane1]

All we need is to play a DM in front of the ball four. We're currently playing very attacking full backs, ball playing CBs and high up the pitch, but with no one detailed to win the ball back in midfield and protect that attacking back line. That is suicide and the main reason we're conceding in practically every single game.

Been saying the same all season, we are wide open in the middle of the field and we need to fix it.

 

[Mullers]

It would stop the defenders having so many opportunities to make those errors.

Don't get me wrong, the individual errors are ultimately our downfall, but if the defenders are under constant pressure because they are getting no protection from the midfield then sooner or later they are bound to make those mistakes.

It would be like giving a striker 20 shots at goal. If the keeper saves 19 and makes one mistake, the keeper gets the blame, but surely the question should be why were they getting 20 shots in the first place?

Mason and Bentaleb simply don't offer the cover we need in midfield and we need to do something about that soon otherwise we will continue to concede goals.

I think that would be because the whole team is not defending, a DM could cut that down a bit but if he isn't very good then the midfield will still be overrun.

I'd prefer that Poch works on improving Mason and Bentaleb defensively rather than splitting that partnership up. I think there is a lot to come from those two.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think that would be because the whole team is not defending, a DM could cut that down a bit but if he isn't very good then the midfield will still be overrun.

I'd prefer that Poch works on improving Mason and Bentaleb defensively rather than splitting that partnership up. I think there is a lot to come from those two.

I'm not sure either are cut out to be defensive midfielders, and to be a top team you HAVE to have a decent defensive midfielder.

I don't think we should split up the partnership. I think we should give them a third man to help that partnership flourish.

 

[parklane1]

I'm not sure either are cut out to be defensive midfielders, and to be a top team you HAVE to have a decent defensive midfielder.

I don't think we should split up the partnership. I think we should give them a third man to help that partnership flourish.

This, neither Bentaleb or Mason seem to have the skills to be a DM, we are wide open through the middle and we can blame the back four forever. But the CM give very little protection and until we sort that out we will never progress.

 

[JohannTHFC]

I never want to see Capoue play for us again, terrible player.

 

[ultimateloner]

I think it's a good idea. Main concern though is whether vert has the legs. We can't have a midfielder who lets the game pass him by aka huddle stone.

 

[double0]

I think to much expectation is placed on a DM-that a DM would solve all our defensive problems without have good CB is pie in the sky, it's not like our midfielders are not tackling or intercepting. The bottom line is, we need better CB's who actually can defend both on the ground and in the air...Pochittenho likes to play a certain way which promotes attacking high energy football at it's best is beautiful to watch.

We currently have defendes (CB) that are not suitable so we either get defenders that have to attributes or adjust the system

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think to much expectation is placed on a DM-that a DM would solve all our defensive problems without have good CB is pie in the sky, it's not like our midfielders are not tackling or intercepting. The bottom line is, we need better CB who actually can defend both on the ground and in the air...Pochittenho likes to play a certain way which promotes attacking high energy football and at it's best it's beautiful to watch.

We currently have defendes (CB) that are not suitable so we either get defenders that have to attributes or adjust the system

I don't think anyone has said a DM would solve all of our defensive problems.

It's pretty obvious that we need to cut out the individual errors, but if the attackers are getting at our defenders half as much during the game then that is half as many opportunities for a mistake.

If we had the two best centre backs in the world in this team we'd still concede goals because players can only be put under so much pressure before making a mistake.

 

[mano-obe]

We have had Capoue and Stambouli there in the past and still we concede goals. Our problem is our defence isn't as good as the likes of other clubs going for the title or chasing the top 4 position.

Not much has changed through the years, we've had ball winners like Sandro, Parker, Davids, Brown and still conceded a shit load of goals. I bet if we had the Barcelona midfield we'd still manage to concede 50 a season!!

It's just the Spurs way

 

[double0]

I don't think anyone has said a DM would solve all of our defensive problems.

It's pretty obvious that we need to cut out the individual errors, but if the attackers are getting at our defenders half as much during the game then that is half as many opportunities for a mistake.

If we had the two best centre backs in the world in this team we'd still concede goals because players can only be put under so much pressure before making a mistake.

The suggestion from posts that a DM is the answer seems to come across as a default position, yet for me, my opinion is we need better CB. Mason, Bentaleb and when Lamela's in the team get through tonns of work during a game all have stats that would compare nicely to an appointed DM yet when teams bypass or midfield and attack us directly our defenders 7/10 look uncomfortable defending, like it's a burden. I want solid CB defenders that when challenged can compete on the ground and in the air we currently don't have that, but those defenders are out there..we should forget ball playing CB's as the first skill I want proper defenders.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The suggestion from posts that a DM is the answer seems to come across as a default position, yet for me, my opinion is we need better CB. Mason, Bentaleb and when Lamela's in the team get through tonns of work during a game all have stats that would compare nicely to an appointed DM yet when teams bypass or midfield and attack us directly our defenders 7/10 look uncomfortable defending, like it's a burden. I want solid CB defenders that when challenged can compete on the ground and in the air we currently don't have that, but those defenders are out there..we should forget ball playing CB's as the first skill I want proper defenders.

I don't debate that we need to improve at centre back.

But the idea that Mason and Bentaleb...and even Lamela (?!!) offer protection to our defence is just not borne out by what we are seeing week in week out.

 

[Sweech]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Ben Davies at DM, his skill set suggests he could do it in my mind.

Michael Laudrup used to say Davies could be a CB in the future, but I don't know about that. Maybe Laudrup was hoping he'd grow a bit.

 

[ajspurs]

Most of the time when people suggest things like this I just laugh but it would be interesting to see. The more I think about it the more I think that we need a dominant figure in that defensive midfield position to just tighten up the team. It's hard to say when you look at how we performed against Arsenal for instance with the pairing of various other games but it may be a bit naive of us to persist with Bentaleb and Mason.

For the record I don't think Vertonghen is a bad defender but I also don't think having a better CB next to him will suddenly make us solid. I would personally like to see a stronger figure in midfield offering protection as well as an upgrade in personel at the back.

 

[Shadydan]

I never want to see Capoue play for us again, terrible player.

I think if you play him in a double pivot especially in a system like ours he will get shown up, not agile enough or fast enough... However stick him in front of the defence as a screen in a 4-3-3 he'd be brilliant IMO.