v Sheriff (H) Ratings

[lennon4england]

I think the fact that BC is one of the most articulate posters on here and generally writes a very informative ratings review means that his opinion on players carries more weight on this board than most other peoples. Regardless of whether they are true or not.

The criticism Walker and Dawson get on this board is way over the top. There is no way we would have the second best defence in the league and concede our first goal in the Europa in our 7th game if these two were as bad as people make out.

Walker is by some distance the best right back we have, and one of the top right backs in the league. Yes his pace is the main attribute and gets him out of trouble, but that shouldn't be seen as a negative.

Dawson has been a great servant to this club and is still an asset. With Kaboul not fit yet he should still be in our 1st choice 11. Yes he has had some bad games but he has had many very strong performances this season as well, particularly against Lukaku.

 

[Coyboy]

Sagna and Zabaleta are both easily better right now. They've both got an end product.

Agreed, and Ivanovic arguably although they are all that bit more experienced than Walker.

I think there is though a tendency to dwell and inflate on the errors and faults of our players and believe that others are automatically better because we see them score or assist. I think Sagna struggled with form until recently.

At the end of the day, it gets dark. Also Walker has been a virtual ever present in a very stingy defence. That says a lot.

 

[sloth]

I think the fact that BC is one of the most articulate posters on here and generally writes a very informative ratings review means that his opinion on players carries more weight on this board than most other peoples. Regardless of whether they are true or not.

The criticism Walker and Dawson get on this board is way over the top. There is no way we would have the second best defence in the league and concede our first goal in the Europa in our 7th game if these two were as bad as people make out.

Walker is by some distance the best right back we have, and one of the top right backs in the league. Yes his pace is the main attribute and gets him out of trouble, but that shouldn't be seen as a negative.

Dawson has been a great servant to this club and is still an asset. With Kaboul not fit yet he should still be in our 1st choice 11. Yes he has had some bad games but he has had many very strong performances this season as well, particularly against Lukaku.

I agreed although it will be interesting to see what happens when Rose is fit... will it be Dawson or Chiriches who drops to the bench?

 

[sloth]

And majority are always right ? The earth is flat after all ?

There's all kinds of empirical evidence we should take into account when making an assessment. In this case the assessment is of ourselves.

So here's the hypothesis: "I suffer from a particular kind of bias, which manifests itself in my becoming slightly obsessive about people or things which annoy me...". How should we test this? I guess we'd have to ask whether this is a thing commonly said of us... perhaps we'd also see if on some things we seem to have views very much on the fringes of majority opinion, and then whether if we do we seem to have these extreme opinions more frequently than most others. Having made such an assessment and found, for arguments sake, that there is a good probability of truth in the hypothesis, we would then attempt to apply knowledge of this bias to whatever view we may at the time be championing and try to decide to what extent this bias is warping our judgement and to what extent we may simply be more perspicacious than the majority.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Agree with this, to which I'd add a very encouraging sign was when his team-mates began looking to pass to him whenever possible... that as much as anything announced to me he had arrived.

we fed the monkey, in other words...

 

[Flashspur]

jeez Sloth I'd give you a winner just for using 'perspicacious' when you could have used wise or smart or insightful

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

That's what I would have assumed, too, until I read a couple of comments from his teammates (perhaps one was from AVB, but they were both earlier this season) stating that he is a major influence in the dressing room nowadays. I guess he just grew up a bit while we weren't watching - I have to remind myself that he's not an 18 year old anymore, he's 26 and in his 9th season with Spurs.

that's because he plays nothing like it. he can be as much of a leader as he wants in the dressing room...I really couldn't give a monkeys until he starts leading on the pitch.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

that's because he plays nothing like it. he can be as much of a leader as he wants in the dressing room...I really couldn't give a monkeys until he starts leading on the pitch.

Well, it was more because the younger Lennon conducted himself like The Littlest Gangsta, complete with shaved eyebrows, a dumb-insolence approach to interviews and too-frequent gambols in posh-sleazy night clubs.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

There's all kinds of empirical evidence we should take into account when making an assessment. In this case the assessment is of ourselves.

So here's the hypothesis: "I suffer from a particular kind of bias, which manifests itself in my becoming slightly obsessive about people or things which annoy me...". How should we test this? I guess we'd have to ask whether this is a thing commonly said of us... perhaps we'd also see if on some things we seem to have views very much on the fringes of majority opinion, and then whether if we do we seem to have these extreme opinions more frequently than most others. Having made such an assessment and found, for arguments sake, that there is a good probability of truth in the hypothesis, we would then attempt to apply knowledge of this bias to whatever view we may at the time be championing and try to decide to what extent this bias is warping our judgement and to what extent we may simply be more perspicacious than the majority.

Init

 

[chinaman]

Dembele was poor yesterday. He lost the ball numerous times. Had only one good moment; that was his shot in the early goings. After that he was back to his usual self.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

There's all kinds of empirical evidence we should take into account when making an assessment. In this case the assessment is of ourselves.

So here's the hypothesis: "I suffer from a particular kind of bias, which manifests itself in my becoming slightly obsessive about people or things which annoy me...". How should we test this? I guess we'd have to ask whether this is a thing commonly said of us... perhaps we'd also see if on some things we seem to have views very much on the fringes of majority opinion, and then whether if we do we seem to have these extreme opinions more frequently than most others. Having made such an assessment and found, for arguments sake, that there is a good probability of truth in the hypothesis, we would then attempt to apply knowledge of this bias to whatever view we may at the time be championing and try to decide to what extent this bias is warping our judgement and to what extent we may simply be more perspicacious than the majority.

So does your biased conviction that Walker is a top quality right back manifest itself in you obsessively ignoring his shortcomings to the point where you try to ostracise those that refuse to ?

What is the test for this ?

 

[sloth]

So does your biased conviction that Walker is a top quality right back manifest itself in you obsessively ignoring his shortcomings to the point where you try to ostracise those that refuse to ?

What is the test for this ?

In the end BC no one can tell us.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

we fed the monkey, in other words...

You daft racist.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Agreed, and Ivanovic arguably although they are all that bit more experienced than Walker.

I think there is though a tendency to dwell and inflate on the errors and faults of our players and believe that others are automatically better because we see them score or assist. I think Sagna struggled with form until recently.

At the end of the day, it gets dark. Also Walker has been a virtual ever present in a very stingy defence. That says a lot.

By the same token, some have a tendency to exaggerate the quality, influence and benefit of their own players to the detriment of their peers at other clubs. We routinely see Terry called a bad footballer on here, often by the same people that laud Dawson. Probably the same people that used to call Tony Adams a donkey as well.

Seriously, what do you think the majority of spurs fans would make of Dawson if he played for any other club ?

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

By the same token, some have a tendency to exaggerate the quality, influence and benefit of their own players to the detriment of their peers at other clubs. We routinely see Terry called a bad footballer on here, often by the same people that laud Dawson. Probably the same people that used to call Tony Adams a donkey as well.

Seriously, what do you think the majority of spurs fans would make of Dawson if he played for any other club ?

The most common question I get about Dawson from a Chelsea supporting friend of mine is "WHY IS HE ALWAYS FUCKING SMILING?!"

 

[fatpiranha]

Walker is like a pedigree greyhound. His natural talents will make him a fantastic RB once he stops drinking out of the toilet bowl, knocking ornaments off the mantlepiece and shitting behind the fridge. There is however some question as to whether such a small brained animal can ever be adequately housetrained.

 

[Coyboy]

By the same token, some have a tendency to exaggerate the quality, influence and benefit of their own players to the detriment of their peers at other clubs. We routinely see Terry called a bad footballer on here, often by the same people that laud Dawson. Probably the same people that used to call Tony Adams a donkey as well.

Seriously, what do you think the majority of spurs fans would make of Dawson if he played for any other club ?

True but not to the same extent.

Living with two other non-Spurs I can tell you that they think that Dawson is a good Premier League defender, nothing more nothing less. I don't for example think he is hard one by by being left out of the England squad but I also don't think he is the hapless trier to which you seek to reduce him (ditto Walker). It's not as if they both play for Palace. They play for one of the best defences in the league. More specifically on Dawson, I think people exaggerate his 'hoofing'. He's not akin to someone like James Collins who just does the lazy clip up the pitch to no one in particular, much of his distribution is actually pretty good.

I have always thought Terry was a very good defender, better than Dawson but still inferior to the more cultured and naturally gifted King, Ferdinand, Vidic and Carvalho. I don’t think many football fans dispute that but they just have a problem with Terry as a human being (to the extent he is one) and that may encroach on their view of him as a footballer. But not me, and I can't really speak for others' subconcious.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

The most common question I get about Dawson from a Chelsea supporting friend of mine is "WHY IS HE ALWAYS FUCKING SMILING?!"

His joker smiles at the opposing players during the build up to the whilst when they have won a corner/free-kick just screams king of mind games to me

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

His joker smiles at the opposing players during the build up to the whilst when they have won a corner/free-kick just screams king of mind games to me

I think he's just a bit mental. He'll throw himself at a ball, end up with line paint on his face and grass in his mouth and he's still smiling.

I like Daws. I understand his limitations but as a character he seems extremely genuine and as a competitor he always tries his best.

Kaboul and Jan is the pairing of choice for me though.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Lamela (8) mom; Paulinho (7) changed the game by bringing his attack minded play to the team and at last Lamela and Eriksen (5.5) (who tried but struggled to be effective) had someone to play with. Dembele (6) blew hot and cold. Some good stuff and some amazing sloppy giving away of the ball. Capoue (6) was competent but of course just coming back from injury as was Kaboul (6.5) (but he needs more games to be sharp). Defoe the most pointless player on the pitch (5) but then again any striker is in our formation. It's really time we did not bother and just put in another midfielder/winger. Walker (6.5) had a decent game getting forward often but Naughton (6) really is not an attacking full back. Verts (7) was excellent as usual. Siggy (6) tried hard but made little impact