Too many youngsters on loan?

[eddiebailey]

Looking at our fixture list with the Europa ties, and with the League Cup still too come, does anyone think maybe we have put too many youngsters out on loan? Harry was scraping the barrel a bit on Thursday with Fredericks and Nicholson, promising enough lads but nowhere near our first team.

Hopefully Kane and Carroll will not now go out on loan, particularly as they can also play in NextGen, but apart from Rose the only other credible youngsters to come in are Parrett, Luongo and maybe Bostock. (Ceballos, Coulibaly and Vejikovac are ineligible for Europa.)

Outfield players on loan are Caulker, Khumalo, Naughton, Smith, Byrne, Mason, Dawkins, Oyenuga and Obika.

Premiership loans are priceless, so loaning Caulker and Naughton was the right choice, and Byre and Oyenuga will certainly benefit from regular competive football. And Dawkins, well, if he is happy, leave him be.

I would love to see Mason make his Spurs debut, but again he could gain more from playing regularly in the Championship.

However, while Khumalo may benefit from the loan experience, we are so short of cover at cb that he might have been worth keeping around, though admittedly he would take up a place in the 25 man squad.

Smith does not necessarily need another season in League One, so if we could not find a Championship loan we should maybe have hung onto him.

And is there are any point in continually loaning Obika to Yeovil? If the club genuinely think he has a chance perhaps it is time to see him in a Spurs jersey.

Just a bit concerned that despite our 'bloated' squad we seem to be a bit short of players.

 

[Pringle]

the players you mentioned as being ineligible aint pal - we aint registered our squad for europe yet, just for the qualifying game.

Kane
Carroll
Bostock
Parrett
Coulibaly
Ceballos
Luongo
Falquo (sp)
Nicholson
Fredricks

added in alongside squad players such as Jenas, Pav, Bassong, Livermore, Rose, Cudicini, Krajncar will make a decent enough squad.

We will have european games most weeks so I would much rather our youngsters played in them than on loan at other clubs in lower leagues.

 

[eddiebailey]

I doubt Harry will leave senior players out of the Europa squad to accommodate youngsters who do not qualify for the B list.

 

[Pringle]

whats the criteria for the a and b list pal?

 

[Spursidol]

Looking at our fixture list with the Europa ties, and with the League Cup still too come, does anyone think maybe we have put too many youngsters out on loan? Harry was scraping the barrel a bit on Thursday with Fredericks and Nicholson, promising enough lads but nowhere near our first team.

Hopefully Kane and Carroll will not now go out on loan, particularly as they can also play in NextGen, but apart from Rose the only other credible youngsters to come in are Parrett, Luongo and maybe Bostock. (Ceballos, Coulibaly and Vejikovac are ineligible for Europa.)

Outfield players on loan are Caulker, Khumalo, Naughton, Smith, Byrne, Mason, Dawkins, Oyenuga and Obika.

Premiership loans are priceless, so loaning Caulker and Naughton was the right choice, and Byre and Oyenuga will certainly benefit from regular competive football. And Dawkins, well, if he is happy, leave him be.

I would love to see Mason make his Spurs debut, but again he could gain more from playing regularly in the Championship.

However, while Khumalo may benefit from the loan experience, we are so short of cover at cb that he might have been worth keeping around, though admittedly he would take up a place in the 25 man squad.

Smith does not necessarily need another season in League One, so if we could not find a Championship loan we should maybe have hung onto him.

And is there are any point in continually loaning Obika to Yeovil? If the club genuinely think he has a chance perhaps it is time to see him in a Spurs jersey.

Just a bit concerned that despite our 'bloated' squad we seem to be a bit short of players.

The current First Tream injury problem was summarised yesterday as :

'Kyle Walker and Jermaine Jenas, who both missed Thursday’s Europa League game with Hearts due to a virus, could also return to action.
However, Peter Crouch, Ledley King, William Gallas, Sandro, Wilson Palacios, Steven Pienaar and Danny Rose all remain sidelined through injury.'

Of our younger players Massimo Luongo, Dean Parrett (playing for England under 20's), Jack Barthram, Jack Munns and I think John Bostock (subbed after 40 minutes in the Spurs X1 game against Birmingham the week before) were not available for the last Next Gen match and quite possibly against Hearts.

With that combined injury list that left us with Thomas Carrol, Jake Nicholson, Ryan Fredericks (who missed much of last season and the pre-season with injury, hence his slightly anaemic display) and Harry Kane as 'the most experienced' youngsters to play versus Hearts alongside a rather reduced first team squad (partly to save some players for tomorrow's Man City match).

I hope we are not going to have so many first team squad injured, and nor so many of the youngsters and hence not have the same problem in the reast of the season.

Of the players you mention, I agree it was a shame that the likes of Mason, Oyenuga and Smith were not seen against Hearts - but who could have forseen that we could have been in a position to play so many youngsters ? It is certainly a shame that Adam Smith is playing in League 1 again after a fantastic season with Bournemouth near the top of League 1 - I thought he would be in the Championship this season.

But against the main thrust of your article, in the NextGen series only 3 players born between 1 January 1992 and 1 January 1993 can be in a match squad, but we have 10 players - John Bostock, Dean Parrett, Jake Nicholson, Thomas Carroll, Massimo Luongo, Paul McBride, Cristian Ceballos, Ryan Fredericks, Jesse Waller-Lassen, Cameron Lancaster

I can see maybe 4 or 5 of these players going out on loan - as there are few competitive matches they will play in with Academy Year 2 players forming most of the squad for Spurs X1 matches (and NextGen) this season - nut most likely it will be the Camerons and Waller-Lassens of that group rather then the Carrollls.

 

[Spursidol]

whats the criteria for the a and b list pal?

List A = All players over the age of 21 at 1 January 2011 (there are then rules over home grown/Club players) with a maximum squad size of 25 players.

List B = All players under 21 at that date, and the list can be unlimited. For the Europa League (but not Premiership) List B players must have played for Spurs for a minimum time period, hence Luango, Ceballos and Coullilably (and new boy Falque I think) cannot be on List B, only nominated as List A (which is unlikely).

There are no squad criteria (ie no List A or B) for the League Cup and FA Cup