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Things you were wrong about, things you were right about and things you're still unsure of Spurswise

TwanYid

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A few weeks back I posted a mea culpa about Poch, openly admitting that I was very, very wrong about the guy. It felt good- really fucking good. So with that in mind, let's collectively discuss aspects of our club about which we were mistaken, things we were dead on about and things we're still unsure of. No agendas, no revisionist history- just pure, unadulterated honesty. Try it- you'll like it. I'll go first lol:

Wrong

-Poch. Nothing more to say than I've already said. Thought the guy was a mediocre, unproven "yes-man"-type coach, a guy brought in by Levy in order to be controlled by Levy. Boy oh boy was I wrong on that one. Only thing I'll say in my defense is that I said a number of times in various posts that I hoped I'd be wrong about the guy- that I hoped to have egg on my face and would be happy to admit being wrong. Which I was. Ecstatic in fact.

-Danny Rose. Fucking hated this player after his crap return from Sunderland. I was wrong- his crap return was a dip in form-- the real Danny Rose plays for us and- though he is prone to the odd bonehead play-- is one mean mofo, a great player to have on your side, a super athletic fullback and one who truly "dares to do." He's fantastic- I love how he tortures the opposition, gets in their face, harasses them and just generally wreaks havoc. My God was I off base about this guy.

-Harry Kane. Lordy Lordy Lordy this might be my worst call yet (though I wasn't as vocal about it since he didn't offend me the way the above two did). If you would've told beginning-of-2014-me that Harry Kane would be our lead-dog striker (and one of the best forwards in England- if not the world) I'd have smiled and said "oh- o.k.- and I guess Benoit Assou-Ekotto has been made club ambassador!" and laughed along with you since obviously you would've been joking. Except that you wouldn't have been- and the joke would've been on me. Again: thank God for that.

-Emmanuel Adebayor. I wanted this player so badly I would've carried him to the Lane. I loved him, loved his stylish play and loved him being on our team that first season. I clucked and crowed like a rooster, proud as hell of both myself and Daniel Levy for outsmarting everyone else and getting a world-class striker on the cheap. Welp, ya get whatcha pay for...I mean wow was this guy a cancer. Don't worry people- at least I can say that at the end I, too, hated the guy. Yes, I should've realized that what appears to be too good to be true always is.

-Etienne Capoue. I loved the guy. He had everything you could ask for in a DCM- like a more elegant Sandro. He was going to eventually be our Xabi Alonso. Except he was awful. Still can't figure out where it all went wrong with him-- but go wrong it did...


Right

I have to say that though I've been wrong about a fair few things in my almost decade-and-a-half of loving Spurs (first season following the club: 2002), I've been right many more times than I've been wrong. So instead of listing all of the "rights," I'm going to list the highlights of correctness. Take this with a grain of salt (it'll seem as if I'm bragging), but I'm not lying and/or exaggerating about any of it. I've fully admitted my errors- now for some spot-ons:

-Roberto Soldado. Out've everything I've ever accurately called/predicted, this one stands out. The day he was acquired I wrote to a friend "great, we've just shelled out upwards of 20 million Quid on a poor-man's Jermaine Defoe. What a colossally stupid buy this is. We will rue the day we made this worthless elf our own." Holy moly was I dead on. How did I know he'd be so bad for us? I just did. He was a small, slow poacher, a guy incapable of leading the line/playing up front on his own, a talented footballer but just disastrously wrong for Spurs. On them %$#&s up the road, sure- but not us. I couldn't believe it when we signed this guy- but even cynical old me was shocked at just how bad he was. Holy SHIT was this a bad acquisition- and wow(!) did I know that from the start.

-AVB. I was so opposed to him becoming our manager-- I mean so utterly against it-- that it's a wonder I'm still here, that, indeed, I didn't keel over from a mixture of grief, frustration and rage over this person taking over our club. I know, I know-- "c'mon, he's not that bad" you say- "he's done pretty well at Zenit, and as far as his time with us he was put in an impossible situation because of Levy and ..." to which I would say "please, please be quiet." Because you see, no matter how revisionist anyone gets, no one on earth will ever convince me that this guy's tenure with us wasn't torture. "But he led us to the most points we've ever had in the league since we..." you'd sputter-- but again I'd put my fingers to my lips and motion for you to cease talking. Maybe it was because I loved Harry so much, maybe it was because I hated Daniel (for firing Harry) so much, but I was sure with every fibre of my being that this guy wouldn't just be "wrong" for Spurs (in the way that appointing, say, Alan Curbishley would be), but that, indeed, his very presence would damage us. In the same way I was wrong about Adebayor, I was right about this guy: Levy thought he'd pulled a fast one on a mega-rich club, obtaining a cast-off relatively easily, one that would turn to gold for us. You could just sense Levy's desire to get one over on Abramovich, to demonstrate how he/we could succeed where the Russian failed. Turns out there was a reason the ginger genius was available: because he was a putrid manager who had no business being in- and would never succeed in- the Prem. Honestly, the football under AVB was so bad that I began to rethink my love of the sport. Maybe some of my disdain for the guy was/is irrational, but I can honestly say I might've quit watching us had he stayed long term. Gareth Bale masked it that first season, but that second one was pure torture. The guy made me love the appointment of Tim Sherwood FFS.

-Vlad Chiriches. This was a weird one in that, though I didn't "know" upon hearing we'd gotten him that he'd be a failure (a la Soldado), I promise you that once I saw him play one time I was positive that he was a colossal bust- and I said so on here immediately. I got a lot of hate for that- dudes saying I didn't know shit about football, that I had no idea about "underlying talent" and that I was rushing to judge a player who- in time- would prove me utterly wrong ("he'll go on to be a Spurs legend" was something actually said by someone on here). Well, in the real world Vlad Chiriches turned out to be absolute fucking toilet- and what's worse- he seemed not to give a fuck. At least Soldado cared.

-Post-Liverpool Robbie Keane. I was dead- and I mean DEAD-set against re-acquiring him. In fact I was so angry about it I seethed every time he touched the ball. I fucking hated him for leaving us but that's not why I didn't want him back; I didn't want him back because I knew he was shot, and utterly effing worthless (which he was). I still wish we'd have left him with Rafa; I still cannot believe we gave him/them a lifeline. We offed him at the perfect time and then proceeded to shoot ourselves in the foot! Aaaarrrrgghhhh!!!!!

Still unsure about

-Levy: I can't for the life of me decide if this guy is a cheap, penny-pinching leader who only helps Spurs because it adds to ENIC's bottom line or if he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. After all the upheaval, all the coaching changes and all of the turmoil (amid a bit of relative success), I honestly can't even figure out how I feel about him! Sometimes I hate him, most of the time I love him...Can someone please tell me if he's awful or the best chairman we could possibly hope for? I'm starting to adore him- is that right?

Ok, so that's a few of my Spurs wrongs, rights and IDK's-- what say you? Who/what have you been utterly mistaken about, and who/what were you dead-on correct regarding? C'mon- get it off your chest!
 
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Bulletspur

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Don't expect a dissertation but



Wrong about: Kane, Sherwood, Capoue

Right about: Lamela Rose Dembele

IDK: Bentaleb
 

thinktank

Hmmm...
Sep 28, 2004
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Wrong:

Rose, Walker, Dembele.

Thought they were total lost causes but luckily poch brought the best out of them and I had to eat the poo poo. Good!

Right:

Poch.

Watched nearly every Southampton game 2013/14 and fell in love with him and said a few times S'ton were playing the type of football I wanted us to play and that they actually played 'the spurs way'.

I was the first to site him as an option for us and that got the tumbleweed treatment; then I began my campaign in earnest and got hela shit for wanting him above De Boer et al.

Like Jesus, I took the blows, the persecution, the punishment for my belief in the righteous and holy way of the Poch. And I have risen victorious. And so have we. :angelic:
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Right

Dembele. Always thought he was a proper player playing for a fuckwit of a manager carrying injuries and looking generally unfit.

Wrong
Lamela. I said for 2 years he was not good enough but every week he is winning me over. Still think it was too much money but ask me that again in 5 months. .

Undecided. ....
Poch.
Done many good things but until watford he infuriated me with the "philosophy " BS which mostly entailed playing the same stuff every minute of every game regardless of opposition or whether we were playing well or not.
Changing it up against watford shows intent and that intent might be the one that swings it for me.
 

markiespurs

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Jul 9, 2008
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Was wrong about Poch, thought he was a flavor of the month type appointment when we got him and I wanted De Boer. but slowly and surely Poch has transformed not only the way we play but also the mentality of the club.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Jan 6, 2013
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Right:
  • Poch
  • Lamela
  • Rose
  • Townsend (kind of)
  • Toby
Wrong:
  • Capoue
  • Dier as a DM
  • Kane
  • Dembele
  • Paulinho + Soldado
Still unsure about:
  • Tommy C
 
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aliyid

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Wrong
  • Soldado - Was sure that he'd be great for us but never seemed comfortable in a Spurs shirt, good to see him smiling again over in Spain.
  • Paulinho - Leader within Brazil team huddles, thought he had everything to lead our midfield and be a future Spurs captain but in the end he just didn't have the heart / concentration needed for a midfield battle in the prem.
  • AVB - Thought he was getting results for us and would take us to CL but his possession based football just drained the life and fun out of every game and made us painful to watch

Right
  • Sherwood - always had him down as a smarmy 'blame everybody but myself' snake.
  • LVG - Said after the WC that he was over-rated and got Holland to the semis as a result of 0-0 draws and scraping through with sheer luck and not the inspired management he was trying to convince people with.
  • Voorm - Got pillored for saying how poor he was that he never catches anything but just palms things back into the danger zone then he had a couple of europa league games where he did everything wrong and finally people saw that he's not ready for 1st team should Lloris get injured.

Still unsure
  • Bentaleb / Mason - I desperatley want to believe in our youth players but I've not been convinced by either that they can put in the consistent level of performances that we need. Fine as back-up squad players but not yet ready as first team regulars (hoping they can learn from the rest of the squad)
  • Onomah / Caroll - Both look a little too raw for my liking at the moment and I worry that everybody is expecting every single youth player we produce to be world class. I hope they turn out to be great but yet to be convinced.
  • N'Jie - Not sure, seems very one footed and lacks composure in final third. hoping it's just taking him time to settle into the prem and that he's got what it takes to make an impact.
 

gp13tot

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Right about sherwood (not being great), townsend (fuckin tripe), paulinho (nowt special)

Wrong about avb (thought hed do well), kane (thought hed be a championship player), soldado (thought hed be our 20 goal a year man)

Unsure on whether eriksen is actually going to become a top player or not
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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Right about Lamela and right about @TwanYid :LOL:
Wrong fcuking loads.
Dembele being the main culprit. Thought he should be sold and given a kicking on his way out.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Was more than right about soldado.
After less than a dozen games it was obvious he was completely unsuited to the Premiership and unlike lamela, who was equally as bad, didn't have time on his side to bring about a change of fortune.

Still flabbergasted at the bullshit people came up with to justify his place in the team.
 

ERO

The artist f.k.a Steffen Freund - Mentalist ****
Jun 8, 2003
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It's gonna read like this for a long list of posters:

Right: Everyone that didn't turn good.

Wrong: Everyone that turned good.
 

Flashspur

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RIGHT:
Poch
Lamela
Rose
Dier
Kane
Mason
LVG and FDB

WRONG:
Toby
AVB
Pav
Paulinho

EDIT: Sherwood - I thought he would come good initially. Well you cant win them all can you?
 
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BringBack_leGin

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Wrong about

Fazio and Soldado: As an avid and knowledgable follower of La Liga, I'd seen a centre back with all the power and physicality to make it in this league and no shortage of anticipation, and a striker whose intelligence would mean he'd score loads anywhere. Boy was I wrong.

Aaron Lennon: When he broke through I thought we had our Messi. While he had a decent career with us, and is a player I certainly loved for those magical moments he did provide, he ultimately never progressed into more than a good player.

Rose: I thought he was useless. Poor attitude, no talent, nothing between the ears. Turns out he's pretty good.

Berbatov, Modric, Bale: I thought all of them would choose our adoration and adulation over pastures greener. I was hurt thrice.

Right

Bentley, Paulinho, Capoue, Bent, Pavlyuchenko: Sometimes a player is obviously doomed to fail from his first kick in anger. All of these fit that bill, and in every case but Bent I'd suggest attitude as the reason.

Kane, Mason: I'd seen plenty of both these boys long before they'd come anywhere near the senior squad and knew they'd make it. Kane in particular I always saw the footballing brain and knew there was a great player just waiting to develop physically.

Levy: Alwaya felt that I an era where we'd been left behind by miss the Murdoch money boat via our own mediocrity, Daniel's calculated and thought out approach, though often frustrating, would be the one to guide us to the next level. Now we may enter the next era of even more mega money available in the strongest position we could've possible dream of if our current trajectory holds true for 19 more matches.

Undecided

Lamela: I love the kid, I fully believe there is a great player in there and he is showing a lot of what I want, but I still want more.

Chadli, Eriksen, Dembele: All are superbly talented with more pluses than minuses, all go through spells where they are magnificent but all also go through spells of looking like passengers. None has given us more than about half a season yet in reality.

Davies and Trippier: Both have more of a brain and more technique than their more d energetic pacy rivals for position, and are better passers and crossers too, but neither seems to ever truly adapt to our style where Walker and Rose undoubtedly have.
 

Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
Jul 17, 2008
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Wrong
Rose - Couldn't stop laughing when Redknapp made him play left back, turns out he's pretty decent there!
Soldado - Genuinely thought he was going to be the droid number 9 we were looking for. Loved his work ethic though and thought he had a great attitude. Thought he played well most of the time, just couldn't find the back of the net for us.
Capoue - Looked fantastic at Toulouse alongside Sissoko. I actually thought he was the better player and that Sissoko would flop at Newcastle, but he's pretty much been their best players since joining. Capoue clearly was not suited to our level, bad attitude apparently.
Holtby - Thought he was going to be what Lamela seems to be now. A creative, live-wire with real energy and drive. He had the energy and drive, was always passionate to play for us but just couldn't click. I think he struggled to find a position that he could excel in.

Right
Lamela - I was so happy to be sign this guy from the start and didn't want to give up on him even when he was flopping big-time. As a regular Serie A watcher I knew how good he could be. He's still not a £30m player (although that was never his fault), but he has become a key cog in Poch's machine. What I like about him is that he's had to majorly adapt. The Serie A wonderkid I saw was a very different player, more of a goalscorer and less of a team player. He's had to change his game in order to make it work out here and Poch has been the making of him.
Modric - I remember having an argument with a Gooner work colleague when we first signed this chap. He kept saying he was too small and weak for the Premier League. Despite his size he worked his socks off and got stuck in. World class player, more so that Bale, in my opinion.
Adebayor - Just knew he'd play up eventually. What a waster.

Undecided
Dembele - One of the most frustrating players I've seen in a Spurs shirt. He has some absolutely amazing attributes, combined with god awful ones. Strong as an ox, can turn on a sixpence, silky skills. Unfortunately, he still has nosebleeds when he gets into the final thirds and slows up play very often. Poch has got the best out of him though and overall I'm still glad to have him in the squad. Can provide something not many others can.
Carroll, Mason, Bentaleb
Just can't work out whether they're ever going to cut it at this level. Good squad players but I'm yet to see anything more. Bentaleb is probably the closest to reaching the required level, and he has age on his side.
 

yankspurs

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Right:
Lamela - I have always loved him and was with him when all you idiots continued to spew hatred at him. I feel very vindicated after this season and the last 5 games of last season. What a fucking player he is. Oh and he cost £26m. Not £30m or £40m. £26m.
Dembele - He's always been our best CM when fit. Wish people recognized that before this season.
AVB - I really liked him for us. Our highest point total in the PL means he deserves some respect. Save your vitriol for someone else. He's a decent manager.
Baldini - Sorry haters, he had little to do with the Bale window. Blame that on Andre and shinehead. Got us Lamela and Dier and did great things behind the scenes that Trix has gone over multiple times.
Sherwood - Facts are facts. He's a snake. Fuck that ****.
Ade - Baffling he was even still with us last season. Only tries when motivated and it is absurdly difficult to motivate him.
Walker - He's on both lists for me. I loved him for a while and thought he had the potential to be on one of the best RB's in the PL. He's showing it this season.

Wrong:
Toby - Has been awesome for us. Completely wrong about him being level with Fazio. Fantastic player.
Walker - Loved him and always thought he had huge potential and then last season happened where he was completely brain dead and just fucking flat out terrible so I wanted rid of him so badly last summer.
Soldado - Thought he'd eventually figure it out here and be huge for us. Unfortunately it didnt happen but I still love the guy. Cult of Bobby forever.
Dier at DM - Didnt think this would work and wanted him to stick at CB where I thought he had the most potential. Now? I want him to stick at DM as he has been one of the best DM's in the league.
Yedlin - Yeah, loved the pick up and thought he'd make it big time with us and finally begin to change the narrative wrt American players. But yikes. I do not see him making it in the prem at all at the moment.
 

DaSpurs

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Excluding things still up for debate:

Wrong (in order of most conviction)

1) Capoue - I thought this was a smash hit signing, and he looked brilliant in his first month with us. Very disappointed with how this one turned out, as I think this is the single thing I was the "most" wrong about.

2) Lamela came good this season - Very pleased for the lad, as I thought he was down n out by this point.

3) Dembele would push past his hip issues and be a productive member of our squad - Elated I was wrong here. He's been utterly fantastic for us this season, and it's good to have him back to how he was in his early days with us. He seems to have finally figured out his role in midfield, and I think this has done wonders for him, as I think he got rather lost the previous two seasons.

4) Harry Kane - This lad appeared to me to have the touch of the worst rapist in London in his cameos with us. I'd seen random children's pickup games in shit-filled fields in Honduras featuring 20 field players who could dribble circles around our "top prospect striker." But he improved his core and stamina, and my God what a complete and utter transformation in the lad's performance. Truly remarkable turnaround here, and I'm pleased to bits I was wrong about his trajectory.

5) Townsend was going to seize his moment in Lamela's struggles - He didn't, and I feel for the guy. I thought he had the confidence established to make it work after his QPR stint and his early successes with us, but I think AVB hit the nail on the head when he said Andros' national call-up came too soon. That was far too early for Townsend to be making the mental leap to glory, as was propagated by the media, and I think he is still trying to grab hold in the psychological schism he fell into after that moment.

Right (in order of most conviction)

1) Our attacking options were very poorly planned after Bale left, and were entirely too similar in positioning, movement, and thought patterns, and as such we were never going to finish top four until we rectified this problem.

2) The "magnificent seven" were not going to succeed - It was unbalanced, incomplete, and overall poorly thought out. There was far too much consideration of publicity and not enough on squad dynamics IMO, and sure enough it crashed and burned. I'm still quite frustrated with the club for such a colossal wanking of that opportunity.

3) Paulinho - I watched this guy in the Confed Cup of 2013 and could not for the life of me spot the hype, other than him popping up in the right place at the right time in the box. He wasn't defensive enough, and he sure as shit wasn't going to solve our problem of still having not adequately replaced Modric' impact on our play, as he didn't have nearly enough passing ability in his locker to dictate play.

4) Lamela was going to struggle initially - Could see it from a mile away in his body language even while playing in Serie A, he lacked the physicality, and more importantly, tough mentality, required to hit the ground running in the Prem. I'm delighted he eventually overcame, but I figured it would take him at least a good amount of time, if ever.

5) Man U weren't going to finish top four the season after SAF left, regardless of Spurs not making it either - I made some money off of this, and I'm still kicking myself for not betting more, as I was absolutely convinced of it. Many told me I was crazy for saying it after they had just won the title, but to me it was clear that that squad was where they were due to no other reason than the sheer will breathed into their brains by Ferguson. Once that was gone, the stakes collapsed and the decay behind of that squad was left exposed.
 
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