The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[Ron Burgundy]

I think we miss the "Sherwood" role the link between John mc, Manager and Levy, a guy who sweet talks the parents makes. Spurs do have a strict hirachy system which kids at 15-18 will be like marmite I don know what is provided for the accademy but the first team aphas it's own wing in the complex own privileges, do the accademy teams have a Allan Dixon ( ray Donovan just joking top bloke but I recon his hard as nails) as Allan looks after the players and if they need / want things dotes it out?

On a another note how do we do on technology, sports science, massages, scans, head doctors for the first team and youth teams I wonder? Be crazy to think there is not a professional to speak to for the accademy the British cycling team one of the key guys behind the scences is the psychiatrist

One of my closest friends used to be head of Sports science at a premier league club, and is now head of rehabilitation - he's got nothing but praise for the cutting edge approach we use. Thinks we're absolutely brilliant at it and believes the detail and discipline we use with players is why we now get so few injuries.

Not sure if this is just for the first team, but you have to assume those practises make their way down to some extent.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy now3 minutes ago
Tottenham's Blake Darcy, Malachi Walcott, Raff Pedder and Noni Madeuke have been received England U15 call-ups (thanks to @Grantnffc1).

 

[BPR_U16]

I guess so. The we have lots of top players so say each year we have 15 players. 5 are average/won't make it, 5 are very good players that could make it with us, 5 are top players who could be stars and are wanted by lots of clubs. The top 5 ones are being tempted away with money, promises of better pathways, so on and so forth. Not a terrible situation as the middle 5 could be very good and will supply the first team, but we want to try and keep the best 5. It's a problem of having a top academy, but we need to decide if we are willing to let the really top ones go and not offer incentives, to work on our other players.

We changed our structure for Edwards and I agree with that. Before he had a couple of appearances in preseason, based off only academy reports people were saying we shouldn't change anything and noone should get special treatment, now after the 2 appearances in preseason people are saying he could be a star for us this season, after finally getting a glimpse. Should we be making an effort to keep these players? or let them go?

Thanks IG

It appears that we have a situation - a problem caused by our own success and we should be pleased to be in such a position. Firstly, congrats to the guys who have implemented the changes to the youth structure that have resulted in this improvement over the last 8 - 10 years - and this must include DL for the investment made, which will hopefully bring large rewards for many years.

But it does appear that we may we need to re-structure slightly again because as you say after developing the talent we don't want to lose it. Getting that balance right will be difficult - and already having such a young first team squad can be a problem in itself as the route could be blocked.

One of the main problems that I see, is that we appear to a wealth of potential in some areas but not in others - and a natural impasse occurs where you cannot give players enough game time at the levels just below first team squad, and when fringe players in the squad do not move on.

The players themselves though, in the ideal world, should realise that the club cannot guarantee playing time etc they need to earn it. What the club needs to put in place is something that does reward the talent and effort applied. The players then surely have to also realise, that clubs of similar youth stature, will be in the same position as us - good squads with an abundance of players and that if it's purely about playing time, rather than development, then they will need to go to academy's not as well run - like the scum down the road.

There is many a youth player who has been paid handsomely and not made it, with several I could name who stopped putting effort in when the 'easy' money started

 

[Blake Griffin]

no josh or kwp for the trip to oslo, wonder if they're going on loan? thfcacademy thinks they're just being rested but then i'd have thought the australia tour would've been the time for that, plus i doubt they'd even want a rest at this point.

 

[Ady turner]

no josh or kwp for the trip to oslo, wonder if they're going on loan? thfcacademy thinks they're just being rested but then i'd have thought the australia tour would've been the time for that, plus i doubt they'd even want a rest at this point.

Not surprised they were taken to Australia as the squad was so depleted with the euro internationals not travelling

 

[IGSpur]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy now3 minutes ago
Tottenham's Blake Darcy, Malachi Walcott, Raff Pedder and Noni Madeuke have been received England U15 call-ups (thanks to @Grantnffc1).

I posted that on the previous page, but realised I didn't give a breakdown of the players.

Malachi Walcott - tall composed CB. Has played well and stood out in the tournaments I've seen. Very different style to say Eyoma, much more laid back.

Rafferty Pedder - Will invoke comparison of Modric. Looks very similar, and I guess somewhat players in a similar style. Creative, very small AM/CM

Blake Darcy - noticed him enough to give a description

Noni Madeuke - I'm sure some will have seen. Ball playing CM who likes to carry the ball, and dribble past players. Has a decent eye for goal. I have realised since Onomah we have produced a lot of these. Onomah, TOB, Maghoma and now Madeuke (though come from Palace initially). They are all similar players with slightly different strengths/weaknesses. Sorry to go on, but one of my frustrations about losing Kirby is that he was a different style of player, that we don't have many of in the academy. All 4 though are big talents and are mainstays in the national age group

 

[IGSpur]

I agree wit all of this but don't understand this bit

One of the main problems that I see, is that we appear to a wealth of potential in some areas but not in others

I think some have mentioned/predicted before, as you saw we have/will become a victim of our own success.

Like you say we are putting in the hard yards and producing top players, but then not offering top player terms. Not monetary but something. Our players are getting produced to the level where we are one of the top 3 clubs filling up England squads, yet we offer less than others. Our pathways are no better than Liverpool or Arsenal who will also offer a lot more money, are a lot worse than lower PL clubs. The only clubs where our pathways are arguably better are Chelsea and City but of course they offer tons more money, which makes them stay, though saying that, some at City haves started to leave though it is their middle tier players they lost like Lattie (who were still internationals mind).

Some people will say, good riddance, if they don't want to stay and fight then they;re not the type of player we want, or no player is bigger than the club etc. but there comes a point, where surely we would want to keep the top players we produce or want to take a gamble on keeping a player in the hope they'd make it like Edwards.

While we seem to only have lost NK which got everyone upset, our other big name was being tempted away and talking to other clubs. too, but won't be seen as a traitor. It happens talented players will want to believe they can play. We currently offer the least of any of the PL clubs, apart from the belief we have a manager that gives academy players chances. I know of one player that said that he would never ever join our club (academy), no doubt based off chatting to Spurs players he linked up with during international weeks, and comparing them to other clubs.

I agree they should value where they are at and understand they can't just expect a spot in a squad but will need to work hard. No doubt most will do but the world of football is unlike any other, and it's all about things happening as quickly as possible, and players, young players have egos, and won't want to feel they are being left behidn by their mates. I hope I'm wrong or something changes.

 

[newbie]

I think some have mentioned/predicted before, as you saw we have/will become a victim of our own success.

Like you say we are putting in the hard yards and producing top players, but then not offering top player terms. Not monetary but something. Our players are getting produced to the level where we are one of the top 3 clubs filling up England squads, yet we offer less than others. Our pathways are no better than Liverpool or Arsenal who will also offer a lot more money, are a lot worse than lower PL clubs. The only clubs where our pathways are arguably better are Chelsea and City but of course they offer tons more money, which makes them stay, though saying that, some at City haves started to leave though it is their middle tier players they lost like Lattie (who were still internationals mind).

Some people will say, good riddance, if they don't want to stay and fight then they;re not the type of player we want, or no player is bigger than the club etc. but there comes a point, where surely we would want to keep the top players we produce or want to take a gamble on keeping a player in the hope they'd make it like Edwards.

While we seem to only have lost NK which got everyone upset, our other big name was being tempted away and talking to other clubs. too, but won't be seen as a traitor. It happens talented players will want to believe they can play. We currently offer the least of any of the PL clubs, apart from the belief we have a manager that gives academy players chances. I know of one player that said that he would never ever join our club (academy), no doubt based off chatting to Spurs players he linked up with during international weeks, and comparing them to other clubs.

I agree they should value where they are at and understand they can't just expect a spot in a squad but will need to work hard. No doubt most will do but the world of football is unlike any other, and it's all about things happening as quickly as possible, and players, young players have egos, and won't want to feel they are being left behidn by their mates. I hope I'm wrong or something changes.[/QUOTE]

How does our path compare were you were to define it as making a professional footballer ?

 

[IGSpur]

How does our path compare were you were to define it as making a professional footballer ?

Sorry mate, don't understand the question

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Have we got any players at the Olympics ?

 

[wiggo24]

Have we got any players at the Olympics ?

Son just scored in an 8-0 win for South Korea.

Think he's our only one.

 

[newbie]

Sorry mate, don't understand the question

I meant how accademies fair at giving kids careers in football would be a better allay ion of how they perform.

 

[rabbikeane]

Surprised Bentaleb haven't been called up for the olympics

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Hearing Dom Ball to leeds

 

[BPR_U16]

Hearing Dom Ball to leeds

with way they go through managers would not say a good career move!

 

[alexis]

You would have thought the best bit of advice for any kid lucky enough to find themselves in a decent situation at the age of 16/17 is to knuckle down at the club that's seen fit to support them, rather than go off hunting for greener grass. Doesn't seem to bode all that well for their temperament if they head off in search of 'better' treatment etc.

or go to an ambitious championship club that will play them. Only so much u21's they can take when they are good enough i am sure

 

[IGSpur]

Hearing Dom Ball to leeds

Always thought he could pass as Lewis Cook's brother due to appearance be funny to see him replace him

 

[newbie]

Another great day for the academy

 

[handinho]

Hearing Dom Ball to leeds

Loan or permanent?

 

[jacko73]

Hearing Dom Ball to leeds

I don't think so