The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[tiger666]

I see your points but on the other side of the argument, probably if he was given some assurances he would then commit

I'm assume he's been given the same assurances as all the other players that have committed tbh.

 

[spursfan77]

It's all guesswork though isn't it.

If he's as talented as we've all seen then I doubt we will let him go that easily. But he has had injuries so on the other side of the coin we may say to him, look, you haven't kicked on as much as we would have liked, you need to step it up over the next year.

While it would be awful to see him go, the player has to take some responsibility and understand the situation.

But we shouldn't overlook the fact that money plays its part. Especially if there's people around him that see him as their golden ticket. They'll be on at him to go and get as much cash as possible.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

It's all guesswork though isn't it.

If he's as talented as we've all seen then I doubt we will let him go that easily. But he has had injuries so on the other side of the coin we may say to him, look, you haven't kicked on as much as we would have liked, you need to step it up over the next year.

While it would be awful to see him go, the player has to take some responsibility and understand the situation.

But we shouldn't overlook the fact that money plays its part. Especially if there's people around him that see him as their golden ticket. They'll be on at him to go and get as much cash as possible.

He has picked up quite a few injuries this season, hope it doesn't become a problem.

 

[Spurzinho]

He's a massive talent but no one is bigger than the club. I don't care who you are. You have to train hard, work hard to improve all areas of your game, give everything in every training session and game. Poch has a zero tolerance policy on these things and I have to say its done the team and the club the world of good. Why bend over backwards for the Taarabts and Edwards of this world? I want Edwards to be a star for us as much as anyone but I don't think you do that by making exceptions for him. That just breeds complacency. As long as we are very clear with him what he needs to do then we can't do any more than that. If he wants the easy life where he showboats and saunters through his career turning up when he feels like it and not working his arse off then he can piss off to West Ham for all I care. I'm incredibly proud of the attitude around this club these days and I'd be loathe to start chipping away at that for any player no matter how good.

 

[tiger666]

He's a massive talent but no one is bigger than the club. I don't care who you are. You have to train hard, work hard to improve all areas of your game, give everything in every training session and game. Poch has a zero tolerance policy on these things and I have to say its done the team and the club the world of good. Why bend over backwards for the Taarabts and Edwards of this world? I want Edwards to be a star for us as much as anyone but I don't think you do that by making exceptions for him. That just breeds complacency. As long as we are very clear with him what he needs to do then we can't do any more than that. If he wants the easy life where he showboats and saunters through his career turning up when he feels like it and not working his arse off then he can piss off to West Ham for all I care. I'm incredibly proud of the attitude around this club these days and I'd be loathe to start chipping away at that for any player no matter how good.

You've put it exactly how I wanted to.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

We all hope Edwards lives up to the hype at our club, but I applaud the one stance for all, no player is bigger than the club, Pochettino's ethos is the team us greater than the sum of its parts, and as such treating players differently based on promise, goes against that.
Edwards needs to take a look at our the current jewel in our crown, Harry Kane, and understand the patience and work ethic that got him there. Likewise, Harry Winks is making the breakthrough, again he was patient and displayed the relevant goods in training, I don't believe there were any demands surrounding promises of gametime before signing contracts.

I hope he bides his time, gets his head down and makes it with us, big equally if there are demands being made that the managenent aren't willing to accept, then I back their judgement. Team discipline and harmony gets us a cut above.

 

[Bulletspur]

He's a massive talent but no one is bigger than the club. I don't care who you are. You have to train hard, work hard to improve all areas of your game, give everything in every training session and game. Poch has a zero tolerance policy on these things and I have to say its done the team and the club the world of good. Why bend over backwards for the Taarabts and Edwards of this world? I want Edwards to be a star for us as much as anyone but I don't think you do that by making exceptions for him. That just breeds complacency. As long as we are very clear with him what he needs to do then we can't do any more than that. If he wants the easy life where he showboats and saunters through his career turning up when he feels like it and not working his arse off then he can piss off to West Ham for all I care. I'm incredibly proud of the attitude around this club these days and I'd be loathe to start chipping away at that for any player no matter how good.

I totally agree with you but is there any evidence of him being lazy, sauntering through his career by not wanting to train and only wants to show boat? That is a damning and unfair accusation without proof. I thought the only issue was his injury record

 

[nicdic]

I totally agree with you but is there any evidence of him being lazy, sauntering through his career by not wanting to train and only wants to show boat? That is a damning and unfair accusation without proof. I thought the only issue was his injury record

No one's saying that he is doing that, but rather emphasising the dedication and application required, and that no exemptions are given, no matter how talented you are.

 

[Blake Griffin]

He's a massive talent but no one is bigger than the club. I don't care who you are. You have to train hard, work hard to improve all areas of your game, give everything in every training session and game. Poch has a zero tolerance policy on these things and I have to say its done the team and the club the world of good. Why bend over backwards for the Taarabts and Edwards of this world? I want Edwards to be a star for us as much as anyone but I don't think you do that by making exceptions for him. That just breeds complacency. As long as we are very clear with him what he needs to do then we can't do any more than that. If he wants the easy life where he showboats and saunters through his career turning up when he feels like it and not working his arse off then he can piss off to West Ham for all I care. I'm incredibly proud of the attitude around this club these days and I'd be loathe to start chipping away at that for any player no matter how good.

don't know why this post is getting so much support. you're basically making marcus out be slacker who wants everything handed to him when there is absolutely no evidence that this is the case at all. just because he may want to progress quicker than what is planned for him it doesn't mean he's a bad egg, tbh i think it's pretty out of order making such claims about a kid you know nothing about.

 

[nicdic]

don't know why this post is getting so much support. you're basically making marcus out be slacker who wants everything handed to him when there is absolutely no evidence that this is the case at all. just because he may want to progress quicker than what is planned for him it doesn't mean he's a bad egg, tbh i think it's pretty out of order making such claims about a kid you know nothing about.

Really not sure that @Spurzinho is calling Edwards out. People need to not be so protective of Edwards.

 

[Bulletspur]

No one's saying that he is doing that, but rather emphasising the dedication and application required, and that no exemptions are given, no matter how talented you are.

@Spurzinho did by likening Edwards to Taarabt

don't know why this post is getting so much support. you're basically making marcus out be slacker who wants everything handed to him when there is absolutely no evidence that this is the case at all. just because he may want to progress quicker than what is planned for him it doesn't mean he's a bad egg, tbh i think it's pretty out of order making such claims about a kid you know nothing about.

This

 

[ljinko888]

As long as we don't have to pay a world record to buy him back...................

 

[Bulletspur]

Really not sure that @Spurzinho is calling Edwards out. People need to not be so protective of Edwards.

Conversably people need not be so damning of him as well

 

[nicdic]

@Spurzinho did by likening Edwards to Taarabt

Think the point there is they are both obviously talented players, and neither should be given a free ride.

Conversably people need not be so damning of him as well

No one has been damning of him, people are saying if it's the case that he's playing up then he needs tough love. People need to chill.

 

[Blake Griffin]

@Spurzinho did by likening Edwards to Taarabt

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exactly, anyone reading that will think we've got the next ravel morrison or nile ranger on our hands. there's never been anything to suggest that he doesn't work as hard as he can or isn't receptive to what the coaches are telling him. all that has happened is he's taken his time to decide what's best for him, that's no different to someone like alderweireld but i don't see fans rushing to call him out.

 

[beats1]

I firmly believe that some allowance should be exercised for those who are above their peers due to their talent. if we lose Edwards through some rigid and inflexible policy, I can see it coming to back to bite us in the ass. Then we are going to look like mugs

i think poch was prepared to give him some playing time but unfortunately he got injured...

I'm assume he's been given the same assurances as all the other players that have committed tbh.

He's a massive talent but no one is bigger than the club. I don't care who you are. You have to train hard, work hard to improve all areas of your game, give everything in every training session and game. Poch has a zero tolerance policy on these things and I have to say its done the team and the club the world of good. Why bend over backwards for the Taarabts and Edwards of this world? I want Edwards to be a star for us as much as anyone but I don't think you do that by making exceptions for him. That just breeds complacency. As long as we are very clear with him what he needs to do then we can't do any more than that. If he wants the easy life where he showboats and saunters through his career turning up when he feels like it and not working his arse off then he can piss off to West Ham for all I care. I'm incredibly proud of the attitude around this club these days and I'd be loathe to start chipping away at that for any player no matter how good.

The problem is when you take players out of the academy and fast track straight to the first team so early, you have already given special treatment to those players, so then you cant expect them to bow down like other academy players who aren't being fast tracked

Also it takes a leap of faith for you as a youth player take a managers word that they have you in their plans whilst you aren't involved in the youth teams or first team, especially when you are the first one to go down this path to the first team. Especially when we are in a league where youth players simply dont get a chance. TBH the biggest factor in a youth player making it nowadays is LUCK.

I think the academy needs work if you want to treat everyone equal and give no special treatment, as we treat the players different already due to their peers.

I cant imagine someone like Danny Rose coming through with the current system as he would be written off at 20 years old, not being one of the top players in his age group anymore and struggling at bristol city. This is a somewhat more of a different issue.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Really not sure that @Spurzinho is calling Edwards out. People need to not be so protective of Edwards.

We are all behind the ethos by which Pochettino runs this club, but unless @Spurzinho knows something the rest of us don't then suggesting the reasons there might be issues are Edwards might not be training hard enough, working hard enough, improving all areas of his game and that we shouldn't bend over backwards for players like him and Taraabt (which has no bearing on Edwards at all) is pretty unnecessary and irrelevant.

For all we know Edwards has done all those things and feels the club haven't given him the bump they'd promised during last years contract talks. Poch may not feel he's ready, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean Edwards is a shirker, just like Veljkovic, Bentaleb and Pritchard before it may just be that he wants to push his career on and feels that's not happening under Pochettino.He's not walking out on his contract it's Spurs who are refusing to develop him further for refusing to commit to longer than his current contract (possibly?).

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just sat down to watch the U20 game verses Guinea, only to realise that not only had Onomah been dropped but in the changes made Kenny had managed to keep his place ahead of KWP. Checked the web site to see if either made it off the bench, saw they didn't and deleted the game in a fit of peak.

I noticed the score was a disappointing 1-1. Anyone tell me how Scouse England played ?

 

[scat1620]

and deleted the game in a fit of peak.

You were evidently so peeved that you forgot how to spell 'pique'.

 

[Spurrific]

Just sat down to watch the U20 game verses Guinea, only to realise that not only had Onomah been dropped but in the changes made Kenny had managed to keep his place ahead of KWP. Checked the web site to see if either made it off the bench, saw they didn't and deleted the game in a fit of peak.

I noticed the score was a disappointing 1-1. Anyone tell me how Scouse England played ?

Saw England scored a hilarious own goal - not sure who the player was