The race for the title

[jimmy-jojo]

So how do we 'reset' our objectives? Should we no longer aim to win all our matches?

Did you actually even read the post you quoted?

Yeah, I did. Still don't understand.

 

[TheHood]

Yeah, I did. Still don't understand.

I am not quite sure how the statement about us trying to finish as high as we can and for us to apply the maximum can be taken as us wanting to lose.

As for resetting objectives, well the objective is to win a tournament and best opportunity for that is with the FA Cup and UEFA cup, not the league.

What I want is to do is to prioritise the tournaments that represent our best chance of success.

I don't want to see 9 changes to the side when the cup games come around, I don't want to see weakend teams.

I don't want us to adopt the same failed strategy that we have done for the last decade. I suspect am going to be dispointed here, I suspect we will do exactly that and end the season with no silverware again.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Yeah, I did. Still don't understand.

I am not quite sure how the statement about us trying to finish as high as we can and for us to apply the maximum can be taken as us wanting to lose.

As for resetting objectives, well the objective is to win a tournament and best opportunity for that is with the FA Cup and UEFA cup, not the league.

What I want is to do is to prioritise the tournaments that represent our best chance of success.

I don't want to see 9 changes to the side when the cup games come around, I don't want to see weakend teams.

I don't want us to adopt the same failed strategy that we have done for the last decade. I suspect am going to be dispointed here, I suspect we will do exactly that and end the season with no silverware again.

Not going to happen. Unless you're expecting the first XI to play every game.

If that happens Top 4 will be put in jeopardy. Top 4 is and should have always been the main objective for the season. Successive qualification to the CL is imperative for the club's development.

 

[Dillspur]

Not going to happen. Unless you're expecting the first XI to play every game.

If that happens Top 4 will be put in jeopardy. Top 4 is and should have always been the main objective for the season. Successive qualification to the CL is imperative for the club's development.

I agree in part with this, but the team needs to feel what it's like to win something. I really don't see the chavs letting a 9 point lead slip, they just keep winning, so we should put stronger teams out for the cups

 

[TheHood]

Not going to happen. Unless you're expecting the first XI to play every game.

If that happens Top 4 will be put in jeopardy. Top 4 is and should have always been the main objective for the season. Successive qualification to the CL is imperative for the club's development.

I don't expect us to play the strongest team every game, I expect us to actually rotate for once and that includes the league campaign.

You comments about the CL qualification encapsulate exactly why the club does not win anything.

The objective should always to be win silverware and to not have that is to foster the worst possible culture.

The CL means very little to us, it's revenue streams are grossly exaggerated as it is impact for the club(i.e. It's ability to sign star players and retain its best). I really do not understand who so many still cling to this idea that it does.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Not going to happen. Unless you're expecting the first XI to play every game.

If that happens Top 4 will be put in jeopardy. Top 4 is and should have always been the main objective for the season. Successive qualification to the CL is imperative for the club's development.

I agree in part with this, but the team needs to feel what it's like to win something. I really don't see the chavs letting a 9 point lead slip, they just keep winning, so we should put stronger teams out for the cups

The problem is that just to keep in the Top 4 we're going to have to maintain league winning form regardless of whether we catch Chelsea or not.

We still need to prioritise the league as if we're going for the title.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Not going to happen. Unless you're expecting the first XI to play every game.

If that happens Top 4 will be put in jeopardy. Top 4 is and should have always been the main objective for the season. Successive qualification to the CL is imperative for the club's development.

I don't expect us to play the strongest team every game, I expect us to actually rotate for once and that includes the league campaign.

You comments about the CL qualification encapsulate exactly why the club does not win anything.

The objective should always to be win silverware and to not have that is to foster the worst possible culture.

The CL means very little to us, it's revenue streams are grossly exaggerated as it is impact for the club(i.e. It's ability to sign star players and retain its best). I really do not understand who so many still cling to this idea that it does.

You underestimate the importance of CL qualification. Luckily Daniel Levy does not.

How many non-CL teams have won the main trophies in the last 20 years...probably could count them on one hand.

The CL allows us to attract better players both in terms of the prestige in being part of it and the revenue generated to afford the salaries those players expect. Having better quality players increases your chances of winning trophies.

Qualifying for the CL consistently actually makes it more likely to win the trophies that you want.

Winning the FA Cup and finishing 5th probably means losing the likes of Kane, Dele etc to a CL qualified team sooner rather than later.

 

[SUIYHA]

If you are lumping money on them maybe you dont really get what this current Spurs team is all about.

*sigh* THIS time it's different right?

I've heard that far too many times before. Countless different managers, countless different squads, the pattern keeps repeating itself. How many times before we learn?

This current team went to Man Utd who'd won one of their last eight games and crumbled. They went to Chelsea and took control of the game but crumbled. They went to Man City who'd just lost 4-0 and were completely outplayed - was scandalous that we came away with a point from that game.

I've lost count of how many times we've come up against out of form teams over the years with our smug players and fans expecting us just to turn up and win, only to get overwhelmed on the day and kick start the opposition's season. We've been very good at home this year but our away form has been dodgy. I'll remind you that our win against City last season was our only away win in Poch's three seasons against any big teams, including European opposition.

We haven't beaten Liverpool in any competition since 2012 and only once at Anfield since 1993. They're bound to come good eventually. I will be amazed if we win this game, it would represent such a shift in mentality from Spurs to be able to go away to big teams and kick them when they're down on their own turf - never ever seems to happen.

 

[dontcallme]

Amazing how many people are arguing in here despite effectively saying the same thing.

 

[Dillspur]

The problem is that just to keep in the Top 4 we're going to have to maintain league winning form regardless of whether we catch Chelsea or not.

We still need to prioritise the league as if we're going for the title.

You underestimate the importance of CL qualification. Luckily Daniel Levy does not.

How many non-CL teams have won the main trophies in the last 20 years...probably could count them on one hand.

The CL allows us to attract better players both in terms of the prestige in being part of it and the revenue generated to afford the salaries those players expect. Having better quality players increases your chances of winning trophies.

Qualifying for the CL consistently actually makes it more likely to win the trophies that you want.

Winning the FA Cup and finishing 5th probably means losing the likes of Kane, Dele etc to a CL qualified team sooner rather than later.

We are good enough to win something and still finish top 4. FA cup (3 games from the final) and top 4 should be priority. Players want to win things too

 

[TheHood]

You underestimate the importance of CL qualification. Luckily Daniel Levy does not.

How many non-CL teams have won the main trophies in the last 20 years...probably could count them on one hand.

The CL allows us to attract better players both in terms of the prestige in being part of it and the revenue generated to afford the salaries those players expect. Having better quality players increases your chances of winning trophies.

Qualifying for the CL consistently actually makes it more likely to win the trophies that you want.

Winning the FA Cup and finishing 5th probably means losing the likes of Kane, Dele etc to a CL qualified team sooner rather than later.

I don't underestimate its importance I know exactly what it means for he club, we are the 6th largest club by turnover in league without it and we remain that with it. It has little bearing on our capacity, we are still dwarfed by the likes of City, United and Chelsea, it doesn't even put us on a par with Liverpool.

You seem to equate the likes of United, Chelsea and City's success to this when it reality it is merely a product of their success. Those clubs success had nothing to do with it, one was the result of having arguably the greatest manager in the game and largest natural revenue stream and the other due to having billionaire benefactors. The suggestion is that this is the great equaliser as if this will put us on par with the elite when it can and never will be able to.

And if this really did give us the ability to sign players with greater preistge than before then how did last summer result in Janssen, Sissoko, Nkdoku and Wynama? All you are doing it regurgitating the usual media soundbites which do not stand up to any scrutiny. Our top players will leave when clubs who can offer things that we cannot approach them. They will do that whether we have CL or not. To prioritise qualification for this at the expense of silverware is sheer madness.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

*sigh* THIS time it's different right?

I've heard that far too many times before. Countless different managers, countless different squads, the pattern keeps repeating itself. How many times before we learn?

This current team went to Man Utd who'd won one of their last eight games and crumbled. They went to Chelsea and took control of the game but crumbled. They went to Man City who'd just lost 4-0 and were completely outplayed - was scandalous that we came away with a point from that game.

I've lost count of how many times we've come up against out of form teams over the years with our smug players and fans expecting us just to turn up and win, only to get overwhelmed on the day and kick start the opposition's season. We've been very good at home this year but our away form has been dodgy. I'll remind you that our win against City last season was our only away win in Poch's three seasons against any big teams, including European opposition.

We haven't beaten Liverpool in any competition since 2012 and only once at Anfield since 1993. They're bound to come good eventually. I will be amazed if we win this game, it would represent such a shift in mentality from Spurs to be able to go away to big teams and kick them when they're down on their own turf - never ever seems to happen.

You're a real glass half empty guy. You seem to forget to mention all the great performances we've had this season, like putting an end to Chelsea's winning run or comfortably beating West Brom when they were on a decent run.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

You underestimate the importance of CL qualification. Luckily Daniel Levy does not.

How many non-CL teams have won the main trophies in the last 20 years...probably could count them on one hand.

The CL allows us to attract better players both in terms of the prestige in being part of it and the revenue generated to afford the salaries those players expect. Having better quality players increases your chances of winning trophies.

Qualifying for the CL consistently actually makes it more likely to win the trophies that you want.

Winning the FA Cup and finishing 5th probably means losing the likes of Kane, Dele etc to a CL qualified team sooner rather than later.

I don't underestimate its importance I know exactly what it means for he club, we are the 6th largest club by turnover in league without it and we remain that with it. It has little bearing on our capacity, we are still dwarfed by the likes of City, United and Chelsea, it doesn't even put us on a par with Liverpool.

You seem to equate the likes of United, Chelsea and City's success to this when it reality it is merely a product of their success. Those clubs success had nothing to do with it, one was the result of having arguably the greatest manager in the game and largest natural revenue stream and the other due to having billionaire benefactors. The suggestion is that this is the great equaliser as if this will put us on par with the elite when it can and never will be able to.

And if this really did give us the ability to sign players with greater preistge than before then how did last summer result in Janssen, Sissoko, Nkdoku and Wynama? All you are doing it regurgitating the usual media soundbites which do not stand up to any scrutiny. Our top players will leave when clubs who can offer things that we cannot. They will do whether we have CL or not. To prioritise qualification for this at the expense of silverware is sheer madness.

*Consistent* CL qualification allows those teams to maintain their success at winning trophies for the reasons I have already stated.

That's the reality, whether you want to accept it or not. The correlation cannot be disputed.

You think different, which is fair enough. I'll agree to disagree.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

The problem is that just to keep in the Top 4 we're going to have to maintain league winning form regardless of whether we catch Chelsea or not.

We still need to prioritise the league as if we're going for the title.

You underestimate the importance of CL qualification. Luckily Daniel Levy does not.

How many non-CL teams have won the main trophies in the last 20 years...probably could count them on one hand.

The CL allows us to attract better players both in terms of the prestige in being part of it and the revenue generated to afford the salaries those players expect. Having better quality players increases your chances of winning trophies.

Qualifying for the CL consistently actually makes it more likely to win the trophies that you want.

Winning the FA Cup and finishing 5th probably means losing the likes of Kane, Dele etc to a CL qualified team sooner rather than later.

We are good enough to win something and still finish top 4. FA cup (3 games from the final) and top 4 should be priority. Players want to win things too

I think Top 4 and the FA Cup is achievable but I think our current squad would be too stretched to go all the way in the Europa League and maintain Top 4.

 

[TheHood]

*Consistent* CL qualification allows those teams to maintain their success at winning trophies for the reasons I have already stated.

That's the reality, whether you want to accept it or not. The correlation cannot be disputed.

You think different, which is fair enough. I'll agree to disagree.

Consistent CL qualification does not because The elite clubs do not require it. They will still be that even if they did not have it and we did. The correlation between success is with resources and capacity, not with CL football.

 

[Shadydan]

Reset objectives...what kind of nonsense

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

*Consistent* CL qualification allows those teams to maintain their success at winning trophies for the reasons I have already stated.

That's the reality, whether you want to accept it or not. The correlation cannot be disputed.

You think different, which is fair enough. I'll agree to disagree.

Distinguishing between correlation and causality is often difficult.

 

[StevePil]

Top 4 is going to be tough, its going to be an interesting finish- but if we stay focussed on winning the league and keep our league form that should at least guarantee us top 4...

re attracting best players - that is a load of rubbish - we have spent 2 seasons in Champions League and seriously what players did we sign, we could have signed any other season (Rafael is the only one in my opinion)

I want CL though to put right what happened this season and really hope we get it, as I really don't think we are a banker for top 4 like so many think. Mourinho will get Man U in there, would love us to get top 4 and Arse and Pool miss out - would be hilarious but next Sat is massive... lose that and suddenly we could be 3rd next Sunday with utd only 2 points behind us...

Cheer the lads on and fight for the title and that will hopefully give us top 4 but as above it is not a banker like so many of you seem to think.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Consistent CL qualification does not because The elite clubs do not require it. They will still be that even if they did not have it and we did. The correlation between success is with resources and capacity, not with CL football.

We need CL qualification more than the other top 6 as our revenues are considerably lower and we also lack the same levels of silverware v others.

 

[StevePil]

Poch has us playing well above where we should be given our finances - imagine him when we have our new stadium and more revenue if we can keep this squad and manager together then I can really see us becoming regular challenges for trophies but until then we have to accept we are playing well above our stations thanks to our superb manager