The race for the title

[Everlasting Seconds]

Obviously not

Finally a good joke. Cheers, mate!

 

[scat1620]

I'm with @Everlasting Seconds here: I don't think we're in a title race so much as we're in a race for the top 4. With the points gap between 2nd-6th vs the points gap from 1st-2nd I think we're more likely to finish 6th than we are to finish 1st. I'm not saying we'll finish 6th, but I think us finishing in any position between 2nd-6th is far, far more likely than us finishing 1st... hence, IMO in case that's not abundantly clear, I don't think we're in a title race.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm with @Everlasting Seconds here: I don't think we're in a title race so much as we're in a race for the top 4. With the points gap between 2nd-6th vs the points gap from 1st-2nd I think we're more likely to finish 6th than we are to finish 1st. I'm not saying we'll finish 6th, but I think us finishing in any position between 2nd-6th is far, far more likely than us finishing 1st... hence, IMO in case that's not abundantly clear, I don't think we're in a title race.

Exactly. Now, stating that should not in any way, shape or form be taken as complaining, or talking down the club. Spurs is by all accounts doing splendidly this season, and the causes for celebration are plenty. Which is a special delight given the 8-10 weeks before Christmas of horrible football. I think we are proving to be a great club at the moment, being in the top 4 race two seasons in a row. That's achievement right there. And the next step from this splendid position is to become a part of the title race (or indeed, any trophy race).

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Until it is mathematically impossible, we are in the race for the title.

It's called a "Winner's Mentality".

 

[Singaspur]

This is the Race for the Title thread. Nobody is disputing that Chelsea are hot favourites or that we are much more likely to finish anywhere 2nd - 6th than win it. But surely we are not 100% OUT of it?

So the point is to chat about how our and others' performances and results etc. affect how we view our (admittedly slim) hopes, no? Having some hope - and therefore interest - in title - related stuff is not the same as being foolishly optimistic about our chances.

 

[mightyspur]

I'm with @Everlasting Seconds here: I don't think we're in a title race so much as we're in a race for the top 4. With the points gap between 2nd-6th vs the points gap from 1st-2nd I think we're more likely to finish 6th than we are to finish 1st. I'm not saying we'll finish 6th, but I think us finishing in any position between 2nd-6th is far, far more likely than us finishing 1st... hence, IMO in case that's not abundantly clear, I don't think we're in a title race.

Of course it is far more likely that we will finish in 2nd to 6th. There are 5 spots for those positions, where as only one team can come first! The fact we can still come 1st means we are in a race to get there.

I understand why people say it though. It's easier to look back and think, we were never in with a chance and it softens the blow if we don't win it, but that doesn't take away from the fact we "could"

 

[SpursDave88]

Man City Overhauled an 8 point Utd lead in a very short time if I remember correctly. If we cut the lead to less than six points by the end of the Liverpool match I'll be confident.

 

[Dzejkob]

I dont know if we are fighting for title or for top 4. I know we are capable of beating any team in the league so lets just wait and see. Can we win the league? Sure we can. Will we? I wouldnt put my money on it but I wouldnt be suprised if we will. Top4 spot would be great result for sure.

 

[The Scarecrow]

“It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

This is the Race for the Title thread. Nobody is disputing that Chelsea are hot favourites or that we are much more likely to finish anywhere 2nd - 6th than win it. But surely we are not 100% OUT of it?

So the point is to chat about how our and others' performances and results etc. affect how we view our (admittedly slim) hopes, no? Having some hope - and therefore interest - in title - related stuff is not the same as being foolishly optimistic about our chances.

This guy gets it.

 

[Bulletspur]

I'm with @Everlasting Seconds here: I don't think we're in a title race so much as we're in a race for the top 4. With the points gap between 2nd-6th vs the points gap from 1st-2nd I think we're more likely to finish 6th than we are to finish 1st. I'm not saying we'll finish 6th, but I think us finishing in any position between 2nd-6th is far, far more likely than us finishing 1st... hence, IMO in case that's not abundantly clear, I don't think we're in a title race.

Based on your logic, teams based between 2nd and 6th are not in the title race, therefore that would make Chelsea the lone runner in a one horse race. I disagree. As long as its mathematically impossible, all teams are in the race. Whether or not its likely or unlikely that a team can overtake Chelsea for the title is another matter.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Surely every team that has a mathematical chance of winning the league is "in the title race"? Sure we might not be leading the race and should probably be considered outsiders, but I'm not quite sure how you can assert your view with such assurance.

Based on your logic, teams based between 2nd and 6th are not in the title race, therefore that would make Chelsea the lone runner in a one horse race. I disagree. As long as its mathematically impossible, all teams are in the race. Whether or not its likely or unlikely that a team can overtake Chelsea for the title is another matter.

Absolutely, good point. You are of course both correct. What was I thinking. Hence, Sunderland, Hull and Crystal Palace are all firmly in the title race at this point. After all, their present point tally + possible max future point tally are larger sums than Chelsea's present point tally.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Surely every team that has a mathematical chance of winning the league is "in the title race"? Sure we might not be leading the race and should probably be considered outsiders, but I'm not quite sure how you can assert your view with such assurance.

Based on your logic, teams based between 2nd and 6th are not in the title race, therefore that would make Chelsea the lone runner in a one horse race. I disagree. As long as its mathematically impossible, all teams are in the race. Whether or not its likely or unlikely that a team can overtake Chelsea for the title is another matter.

Absolutely, good point. You are of course both correct. What was I thinking. Hence, Sunderland, Hull and Crystal Palace are all firmly in the title race at this point. After all, their present point tally + possible max future point tally are larger sums than Chelsea's present point tally.

Correct.

 

[mightyspur]

Absolutely, good point. You are of course both correct. What was I thinking. Hence, Sunderland, Hull and Crystal Palace are all firmly in the title race at this point. After all, their present point tally + possible max future point tally are larger sums than Chelsea's present point tally.

It isn't quite as simple as taking games remaining x 3 though is it.

 

[scat1620]

Based on your logic, teams based between 2nd and 6th are not in the title race, therefore that would make Chelsea the lone runner in a one horse race.

Yep, you're not wrong, that's pretty much how I see it. I think Chelsea are nailed on for the tile and then it's very much up in the air as to where the other five teams finish between 2nd and 6th.

I disagree. As long as its mathematically impossible, all teams are in the race. Whether or not its likely or unlikely that a team can overtake Chelsea for the title is another matter.

Fair enough.

 

[Shadydan]

So Chelsea are the only team in a race, that's a new one

I don't think people have quite grasped what the term race is quite clearly.

 

[spursfast]

Man City Overhauled an 8 point Utd lead in a very short time if I remember correctly. If we cut the lead to less than six points by the end of the Liverpool match I'll be confident.

we have a wofely bad record at anfield ...and the city game just gone althou we came back in style, we still dropped points unnecessarily thro whatever u put it down to, so going to anfield, where we never win except in 2012 when the dippers had nothing to play for ...not sure

 

[mightyspur]

we have a wofely bad record at anfield ...and the city game just gone althou we came back in style, we still dropped points unnecessarily thro whatever u put it down to, so going to anfield, where we never win except in 2012 when the dippers had nothing to play for ...not sure

Swansea had NEVER won ever at Anfield. They managed to get a result.

 

[UpTownSpur]

Absolutely no way the title race is over. Out of both of our next 11 fixtures, we've got 1 stand out difficult fixture, away to Liverpool, while they've got half a dozen.

If we're within 6 points after we've been to Anfield we're in with a great shot. If we're within 3 we'll be favourites in my opinion.

The fixtures in the last 5 games favour them so we'd probably need a few points lead to see it out.

 

[Giovanni]

Jeez so theres no title race?

Each to there own and im not going to bother arguing my case. Pretty hilarious in my view.


Sport is a funny thing, 9 points ahead with 8 games left then maybe id conced but with 16?