The MLB Thread

[Spurs 1961]

1. Kevin Cash needs to be unceremoniously fired immediately. And the analytics departments need to take a back seat for a bit. That was a disgustingly awful decision.
2. Rob Manfred needs to follow him out the door stage left. What a beyond terrible commissioner. The biggest night in the sport became a fucking shit show immediately and now it’ll be a major miracle if there isnt massive outbreaks in the Dodgers & Ray’s organizations. A comedy of incompetence.

sorry I missed what has gone on. Watched the game and unless you are referring to the awful decision by the Rays to take off Snell when they did ... possibly cost them the series ... I am not sure what went on

 

[Trotter]

sorry I missed what has gone on. Watched the game and unless you are referring to the awful decision by the Rays to take off Snell when they did ... possibly cost them the series ... I am not sure what went on

Justin Turner, Dodgers Third baseman got pulled out of game in the 8th innings after it was revealed he had tested positive for COVID, that is the issue here. Over here it didn't mention reason why during programme.
Now questions are when did the results of the test come back ? Surely it wasn't at say 10pm CT when they substituted him out, meaning they played him knowing he had COVID ? And why after being substituted off as confirmed case was he allowed to return to celebrate with team-mates after the game ?

In respect of Snell on the face of it at the time, and with hindsight, very poor decision which immediately bit them on the butt, however those sort of decisions are what have led a low-budget Rays to the World Series, they never allow a pitcher to face same hitter 3 times, it just spectacularly backfired in a do or die game though. Anderson has not been performing post-season. For me Rays didn't necessarily lose game due to that decision, it didn't help sure, but only scoring one run off nine innings of bullpen pitching was the real reason they lost.

 

[yankspurs]

Justin Turner, Dodgers Third baseman got pulled out of game in the 8th innings after it was revealed he had tested positive for COVID, that is the issue here. Over here it didn't mention reason why during programme.
Now questions are when did the results of the test come back ? Surely it wasn't at say 10pm CT when they substituted him out, meaning they played him knowing he had COVID ? And why after being substituted off as confirmed case was he allowed to return to celebrate with team-mates after the game ?

In respect of Snell on the face of it at the time, and with hindsight, very poor decision which immediately bit them on the butt, however those sort of decisions are what have led a low-budget Rays to the World Series, they never allow a pitcher to face same hitter 3 times, it just spectacularly backfired in a do or die game though. Anderson has not been performing post-season. For me Rays didn't necessarily lose game due to that decision, it didn't help sure, but only scoring one run off nine innings of bullpen pitching was the real reason they lost.

Rays couldnt score but lets not forget the huge mental boost the Dodgers got by Snell being pulled needlessly so early. Immediately you felt all the momentum leave them and go right to the Dodgers. They would have forced a G7 had they left him in. The problem is there so reliant on analytics, Cash has no feel for a game. And in that sutuation, you need to have a feel for the game and a fee for your bullpen. You cant only manage on analytics. In a full 162 game season, it will cost you in the season. In a short 60 game season, it likely will come back to cost you at the worst possible time.

The Justin Turner thing is the most absurdly incompetent thing I have seen. After all the shit MLB had happened earlier in the charade almost having to cancel 3 weeks in, they’ve learned precisely nothing. Manfred was a terrible commissioner and worst in class even before Covid. His handling of this has been a trainwreck of epic proportions. The old rich white guys he works for need to fire him already. Just inexcusable how awful he is.

 

[JCRD]

Justin Turner, Dodgers Third baseman got pulled out of game in the 8th innings after it was revealed he had tested positive for COVID, that is the issue here. Over here it didn't mention reason why during programme.
Now questions are when did the results of the test come back ? Surely it wasn't at say 10pm CT when they substituted him out, meaning they played him knowing he had COVID ? And why after being substituted off as confirmed case was he allowed to return to celebrate with team-mates after the game ?

In respect of Snell on the face of it at the time, and with hindsight, very poor decision which immediately bit them on the butt, however those sort of decisions are what have led a low-budget Rays to the World Series, they never allow a pitcher to face same hitter 3 times, it just spectacularly backfired in a do or die game though. Anderson has not been performing post-season. For me Rays didn't necessarily lose game due to that decision, it didn't help sure, but only scoring one run off nine innings of bullpen pitching was the real reason they lost.

This also happened in a football match here - I cant remember which one but half way through a game or something like that they pulled him out

 

[Trotter]

This also happened in a football match here - I cant remember which one but half way through a game or something like that they pulled him out

I remember West Ham pulling a player and Moyes before kick-off, but don't remember one happening during a game.

It is being reported Turner received inconclusive test result in 2nd inning, but was allowed to continue until the 8th (some 2 hours later) when he received a positive at something like 10pm. From sporting point of view he didn't really have major effect in those 6 innings.

 

[JCRD]

I remember West Ham pulling a player and Moyes before kick-off, but don't remember one happening during a game.

It is being reported Turner received inconclusive test result in 2nd inning, but was allowed to continue until the 8th (some 2 hours later) when he received a positive at something like 10pm. From sporting point of view he didn't really have major effect in those 6 innings.

Its not necessarily about whether he had an impact on the game but more an effect on others in terms of passing the virus on - although glad he was out celebrating after even if he was positive haha...

 

[Spurs 1961]

Justin Turner, Dodgers Third baseman got pulled out of game in the 8th innings after it was revealed he had tested positive for COVID, that is the issue here. Over here it didn't mention reason why during programme.
Now questions are when did the results of the test come back ? Surely it wasn't at say 10pm CT when they substituted him out, meaning they played him knowing he had COVID ? And why after being substituted off as confirmed case was he allowed to return to celebrate with team-mates after the game ?

In respect of Snell on the face of it at the time, and with hindsight, very poor decision which immediately bit them on the butt, however those sort of decisions are what have led a low-budget Rays to the World Series, they never allow a pitcher to face same hitter 3 times, it just spectacularly backfired in a do or die game though. Anderson has not been performing post-season. For me Rays didn't necessarily lose game due to that decision, it didn't help sure, but only scoring one run off nine innings of bullpen pitching was the real reason they lost.

thanks for the info on Turner. Lots of questions around that.

as for Snell being pulled I understand the analytics and watched how the Rays managed their defence so well through the post season. However this move was indefensible to anyone who is a sportsman. Watching on TV you could see Snell was dominant; that the opposition were bemused and although the top three were due in none of them had got close to hitting Snell. All sporting instinct said leave alone. The contrast between number crunching and sporting gut instinct has rarely been so obvious

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Just seen highlights of Ohtani for the Angels against the White Sox.
How is a pitcher throwing 100 mph heat then absolutely crushing a home run?!?!
Fastest pitch of the weekend, followed by hardest hit. That’s insane

 

[fortworthspur]

Just seen highlights of Ohtani for the Angels against the White Sox.
How is a pitcher throwing 100 mph heat then absolutely crushing a home run?!?!
Fastest pitch of the weekend, followed by hardest hit. That’s insane

anabolic steroids.

I will say to be able to pitch and bat for average and power is almost unheard of. They used him almost exclusively as a DH the first couple of seasons. It seems he has the talent for both but the body generally wont cooperate.

 

[yankspurs]

anabolic steroids.

I will say to be able to pitch and bat for average and power is almost unheard of. They used him almost exclusively as a DH the first couple of seasons. It seems he has the talent for both but the body generally wont cooperate.

Yeah Ohtani’s great when healthy. He just never is and he wont be for long this season either if hes doing both

 

[fortworthspur]

Astros really heating up. And the whiney-assed Dodgers at the center of the doctored baseball scandal.

 

[yankspurs]

Astros really heating up. And the whiney-assed Dodgers at the center of the doctored baseball scandal.

Well the balls are doctored by MLB. They are unquestionably a bit deadened this year, IMO. But it has been made even worse by the wide spread spider tack usage by pretty much every pitcher. MLB bought it upon themselves though. They’ve let it go for far too long & only punished pine tar usage sparingly when it was only made far too obvious (like in Pineda’s case years back). If they actually did something about it, none of this would have happened. And now the enforcements a complete joke & another black eye for the game at a time when fans & players alike are already out for blood thanks to Manfred’s incompetence.

Anywho, who at the D-Backs can I talk to about trading Ketel Marte to the Yankees…

 

[fortworthspur]

Well the balls are doctored by MLB. They are unquestionably a bit deadened this year, IMO. But it has been made even worse by the wide spread spider tack usage by pretty much every pitcher. MLB bought it upon themselves though. They’ve let it go for far too long & only punished pine tar usage sparingly when it was only made far too obvious (like in Pineda’s case years back). If they actually did something about it, none of this would have happened. And now the enforcements a complete joke & another black eye for the game at a time when fans & players alike are already out for blood thanks to Manfred’s incompetence.

Anywho, who at the D-Backs can I talk to about trading Ketel Marte to the Yankees…

its still cheating and the dodgers are the masters. that was the Astros defense with sign stealing "everyone does it".

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Just caught the end of the Little League World Series.
There is no way on earth all those kids were younger than 13!

 

[fortworthspur]

the Dodgers win 106 games and have to play a single elimination wild card game. Im not a fan of that format.

 

[yankspurs]

the Dodgers win 106 games and have to play a single elimination wild card game. Im not a fan of that format.

My yankees play tonight. Im nervous as heck. But i also did not think we’d be here until the walk off grounder in game 162 on Sunday. In fact, i had written the season off in April. We were beyond shit this year. Poorly constructed team & a horrible manager. Too many holes to win it this year. We win today, we’ll get swept by Tampa. But whatever. Just get us to that series & anything can happen. Go Yankees!

 

[Dirty Ewok]

My yankees play tonight. Im nervous as heck. But i also did not think we’d be here until the walk off grounder in game 162 on Sunday. In fact, i had written the season off in April. We were beyond shit this year. Poorly constructed team & a horrible manager. Too many holes to win it this year. We win today, we’ll get swept by Tampa. But whatever. Just get us to that series & anything can happen. Go Yankees!

The Sox / Yanks game is really just 2 teams who spent (at different times) 3 months trying to avoid the playoffs playing each other for the right to get their ass handed to them by Tampa.

Toronto/Seattle could have done both of our teams a favor and done something down the stretch...

 

[cwy21]

I don't hate the wild card game, but the Giants having to potentially play the Dodgers in the NLDS after they won 107 games is pretty BS.

 

[fortworthspur]

I don't hate the wild card game, but the Giants having to potentially play the Dodgers in the NLDS after they won 107 games is pretty BS.

well thats the seeding. with or without the game the Giants would be 4. but yeah, kinda dumb. but I really dislike the one game format. there's a reason they play 162 games a year. If the Cardinals pitcher has a hot night he could single-handedly eliminate a much better team.

 

[fortworthspur]

Astros in the world series. Again.