The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[tiger666]

I appreciate all the info itks share but imo it’s pretty reckless of them to share opinions like that and not clarify it’s opinion, as seen by the last 15 minutes

Well, they're entitled to have a normal conversation online as anyone else is. It's up to the posters on here to exercise caution when plucking a sentence out and putting it on here as ITK.

 

[hughy]

Obviously we aren't privy to what is exactly going on but I think Poch will only be let down if we don't bring in an adequate CM/DM. With Wanyama's injury, Dembele passing his peak and not being reliable over the course of a season then I feel this is THE ONE area that 100% needed strengthening.

This is the most frustrating thing for me. On paper we have one hell of a midfield. But when 3 of them (Winks, Wanyama, Dembele) can't be relied on to play a string of games due to reoccurring injuries, we start to look incredibly threadbare in that department.

It's a balancing act, as come October/November all 3 of them could be fully fit and we could all of a sudden have a surplus of CM's.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It was Pochettino that took us to the next level.

To his credit, Levy appointed him. But whether this was good judgement or just pure luck out of a series of poor appointments is up for debate.

Series of poor appointments:

Hoddle - we almost all wanted him, Levy let his heart rule his head (last time he did that), and it didn’t work out. It happens.

Santini - his Lyon success and the fact that he was France manager seemed to make him a great coup, sadly he thought Tottenham is near the beach,

Jol - great appointment, he trusted Arnesen’s advice at long last and it worked. Sad ending but took us from mid table to top 5, where we’ve pretty much remained since.

Ramos - looked like it could be genius, won us our last trophy, but he turned out to be bat shit crazy.

Redknapp - best manager we’d had in the PL, took us to top four twice, played Sime very exciting football, lovely CLrun.

AVB - probably the most predictable failure, but for a while it seemed like it’d be a success. Unfortunately it stemmed on Bale, who forced a move to Madrid.

Pochettino- best manager we’ve had, is building something great, but with an infrastructure provided by, guess who, Levy.

The appointments have generally all brought us some good, and most have improved us. Even Hoddle at least had us playing decent football again after two years of Graham. To say Pochettino was pot luck, in a summer when Van Gaal and De Boer were available and all the rage, is massively revisionist.

 

[MaestroOfSwe]

This shows why they havent announced dele and eriksens new contracts yet

 

[Giovanni]

Personally if i was poch and we ended up signing nobody or some last minute 'maybe' then id feel very very let down and short changed.
I would no way fancy us for top 4 when you look at the business others have done and again if i was poch id openly say that we are behind the others due to lack of 1st team investment.
Im not a happy bunny right now. I know we have the training facilities and the new stadium (in which i purchased a very expensive season ticket) but all that is no good when u have a team which is lagging behind the top5. We will go stale and can forsee a very bad start to the season.

 

[Wig]

Obviously we aren't privy to what is exactly going on but I think Poch will only be let down if we don't bring in an adequate CM/DM. With Wanyama's injury, Dembele passing his peak and not being reliable over the course of a season then I feel this is THE ONE area that 100% needed strengthening.

Agree this is a weak area in the first 11, but I would also like to see adequate competition (or back-up to be more realistic as we wouldn't afford a like-for-like competitor) for Kane who we are over-reliant on

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yeah, Levy did that. Not Pochettino or the fucking miracle that is Harry Kane turning into the best striker in the league?

Who hired Pochettino? Who hired the youth coaches, built the youth academy and invested in the development that made Harry Kane what he is?

 

[SpartanSpur]

This shows why they havent announced dele and eriksens new contracts yet

Or conversely why they haven't signed them yet.

 

[SEANSPURS1975]

A complete clusterfuck of a transfer window so far. Utterly embarrassing even for us.
Just seems no plan whatsoever to improve the team, why not?
The only club in the top 5 leagues not to have signed ONE player. Laughable.
Clearly ambition to make money overrides ambition to win trophies and always has for these owners.
Surely Pochettino cannot be happy with this bullshit.
Still a couple of days until the real meltdown commences..

 

[glospur]

Interesting point made on the TFC podcast this week that I think is relevant to this discussion after what Gards tweeted. One of the members of the pod suggested that perhaps our relative 'success' and overachievement under Pochettino has come sooner than Levy and the club anticipated, and this combined with the ridiculous way that the market has moved in recent times means that we're not prepared for the increase in expectations that's come from us being more 'successful.' Previously, this transfer strategy (buying young, talented players and developing them) was our way of doing things but with everything that's changed this isn't enough anymore and the club haven't adjusted yet.

Personally, I believe that it would have always been the intention to have all the investment in the infrastructure and all the building finished before we moved big in the transfer market. But it just so happens that all the infrastructure implementation has come to a head at the same time there has been a fundamental shift in fan/manager/squad expectations due to our relative over achievement under Pochettino. while in a period that seen a major transformation in the market that leaves no room for the niggardly. It's left us considering a clash between what was a carefully laid out plan and a new reality that has seen that plan moot.

 

[ilikeost]

Who hired Pochettino? Who hired the youth coaches, built the youth academy and invested in the development that made Harry Kane what he is?

Who hired Levy? Who gave Levy his education? Who banged Levy mom and spunked in her oven to make him? Levy has done a lot of good things but giving Levy credit for the work of other people is ridiculous.

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

Series of poor appointments:

Hoddle - we almost all wanted him, Levy let his heart rule his head (last time he did that), and it didn’t work out. It happens.

Santini - his Lyon success and the fact that he was France manager seemed to make him a great coup, sadly he thought Tottenham is near the beach,

Jol - great appointment, he trusted Arnesen’s advice at long last and it worked. Sad ending but took us from mid table to top 5, where we’ve pretty much remained since.

Ramos - looked like it could be genius, won us our last trophy, but he turned out to be bat shit crazy.

Redknapp - best manager we’d had in the PL, took us to top four twice, played Sime very exciting football, lovely CLrun.

AVB - probably the most predictable failure, but for a while it seemed like it’d be a success. Unfortunately it stemmed on Bale, who forced a move to Madrid.

Pochettino- best manager we’ve had, is building something great, but with an infrastructure provided by, guess who, Levy.

The appointments have generally all brought us some good, and most have improved us. Even Hoddle at least had us playing decent football again after two years of Graham. To say Pochettino was pot luck, in a summer when Van Gaal and De Boer were available and all the rage, is massively revisionist.

I can't believe you missed out Timmy...

 

[Streetspur77]

Well, they're entitled to have a normal conversation online as anyone else is. It's up to the posters on here to exercise caution when plucking a sentence out and putting it on here as ITK.

Their entitled to do what the fuck they want but itks are in a fortunate postion and have a platform in which many people trust them. I don’t see anything wrong with some caution being used when using that platform you’ve gained, based on the idea you have superior knowledge, to spread something which you later admit was just opinion.

But anyway the meltdowns are funny and this is the internet so itks can do what they want

 

[nicdic]

Interesting point made on the TFC podcast this week that I think is relevant to this discussion after what Gards tweeted. One of the members of the pod suggested that perhaps our relative 'success' and overachievement under Pochettino has come sooner than Levy and the club anticipated, and this combined with the ridiculous way that the market has moved in recent times means that we're not prepared for the increase in expectations that's come from us being more 'successful.' Previously, this transfer strategy (buying young, talented players and developing them) was our way of doing things but with everything that's changed this isn't enough anymore and the club haven't adjusted yet.

Personally, I believe that it would have always been the intention to have all the investment in the infrastructure and all the building finished before we moved big in the transfer market. But it just so happens that all the infrastructure implementation has come to a head at the same time there has been a fundamental shift in fan/manager/squad expectations due to our relative over achievement under Pochettino. while in a period that seen a major transformation in the market that leaves no room for the niggardly. It's left us considering a clash between what was a carefully laid out plan and a new reality that has seen that plan moot.

Poch has repeated that we're ahead of schedule. The plan was to establish ourselves once in the new stadium. CL this year for the first time. We're two years ahead.

Alex from Bristol was the only one on there talking any sense. We may want to buy loads of great players, but they're not necessarily gonna choose us, and we can't just throw all the money around.

 

[glospur]

Poch has repeated that we're ahead of schedule. The plan was to establish ourselves once in the new stadium. CL this year for the first time. We're two years ahead.

Alex from Bristol was the only one on there talking any sense. We may want to buy loads of great players, but they're not necessarily gonna choose us, and we can't just throw all the money around.

Yep. I thought he was absolutely bang on, and it was something I had never considered before, which is always a good thing to hear. Like it or not, we're just not yet in a position where we're going to, or even can, operate like that.

I'd love to know what Pochettino thinks about this topic. He's always talked about the medium to long term project, but even his rhetoric could be interpreted to mean that he's kind of experiencing this clash between what the plans were and the new reality where those plans may not be good enough for him, the squad or the fans anymore.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Who hired Levy? Who gave Levy his education? Who banged Levy mom and spunked in her oven to make him? Levy has done a lot of good things but giving Levy credit for the work of other people is ridiculous.

I’m not giving levy credit for anything other than what he did do, I.e. make a few good decisions. The only hard evidence we have of levy’s ability as a chairman is that under his stewardship we have gone from being mid table to champions league regulars and we’ve done it from a position of significant weakness compared to our competitors. That is quite literally the only thing we know about Daniel Levy, everything else is debateable. We have no idea if we’d have done better, worse or roughly the same without him but with him we are one of the top three sides in England.

I can't believe you missed out Timmy...

No caretakers.

Poch has repeated that we're ahead of schedule. The plan was to establish ourselves once in the new stadium. CL this year for the first time. We're two years ahead.

Alex from Bristol was the only one on there talking any sense. We may want to buy loads of great players, but they're not necessarily gonna choose us, and we can't just throw all the money around.

Sticky please!

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

No caretakers.

He wasn't. He was given the job permanently on an 18 month contract...

 

[punkisback]

To be honest we've lucked out getting Poch, Eriksen, Verts and our england contingent come through at the same time. I don't think we expected to be where we are at with these players at the start of Poch's tenure. Therefore our expectations of what we should be achieving has changed due to our relative success and we're demanding to make that next step in winning a major trophy and acquiring player to do so. The stadium and the training ground was the medium via which Levy would transition us to a bigger team, not this playing squad. In my opinion we won't become the domineering force with this current squad before the big players are sold off, but the infrastructure in place means that hopefully in future iterations of the team we will have the financial clout to compete for transfers and the league whilst keeping the star players happy.

 

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Change a few things could mean absolutely anything. Maybe he means change formation as there's a flaw he's identified in the system he's used thus far. Maybe he means change the training regime so that the players' are knackered towards the end of the season. Maybe he means rotate the likes of Harry, Dele and Christian more. Maybe he means he needs a new pair of lucky socks on matchday. And yes, maybe he means a different transfer strategy and new signings, but quite frankly there is no way of knowing. There is literally no way of knowing, in fact, because there has been absolutely no allusion from him at nay point as to what he might feel needs to change to take us forward. The only thing in that article which comes close to being revelatory is that he feels he wants to make us successful and is fully committed to that until he is no longer wanted.

I'm genuinely interested how you'd interpret this Poch quote then: "We cannot think we are the cleverest people in the world winning trophies spending small money", said Pochetinno. Give us your take on that mate.

 

[nicdic]

Anything good that could have something to do with Levy = LUCK

Everything bad that happens to the club = LEVY'S FAULT