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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 25th July 2013

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Robbienlondon

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Naughton is a decent prem player and backup to right and left back anyone better than him would not sit on the bench for most of the season and if we sell him we would have to replace him as well.

Out of our current squad who would play right back if walker got injured for 6 months if we sold naughton
Kaboul
 

Vwbottom

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Why would they close WHL to announce a player?

Obviously it's for Levy to slide around the pitch covered in butter.
 

Spursidol

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Livermore 7 mill
Naughton 3.5
Hudd 5
Parker 2.5
Ade 5.5
Gomes 1
BAE 7 (to Monaco!) 5 to everyone else
Dempsey 5.5
Falque 3.5

All are possible departures - but this season we do not have lots of high wage players who are surplus to requirements, except when we upgrade them, in fact we have about the right number of players and no need for a major disposal programme.

So with 2 signings coming in I suspect the most 'urgent' one to offload is Parker (upgraded by Paulhino) who is on high wages and possibly Huddlestone (I suspect on medium wages as he was signed some years ago).

Livermore and Naughton are not on big wages, so Levy will not prioritise their departires, more likely wait until someone meets a good price. Both are young but with PL experience so ideal for a mid/low PL club.

Chadli joining us might trigger Falque going on loan or being sold, but he's on relatively low wages so I doubt if Levy would prioritise a deal for him.

Gomes is a funny one, on larghe wages - but he is a decent back up keeper if there are doubts over Freidal - he may decide to stay a season so as to be able to leave on a free in the summer.

The likes of Dempsey and Ade/Defoe will only be dealt with when we sign a striker - we cannot afford to sell any of them before seeing the other incomings. Ditto BAE.

So of the outgoings, I suspect its only Parker that is a priority to sell (mainly to get ogff the wages bill), but depends if QPR, West Ham or other lower PL club want to pay the £3m/4m that DL might want for him.

Think this explains the limited ITK on outgoings so far.
 

ginger

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I think that we could legitimately expect 5 million for Naughton as a solid, atheltic and versatile full back with the 'young English premium', at 24. He is premiership proven and probably a better defender than Walker. Even Livermore, should go for 6m with some add ons in the same vein as an England international and top class athlete. While high the prices are not crazily so imo.

The ones we should get out at lower prices are the likes of 30 somethings/crocks Parker, defoe, Huddleston, dempsey, (Bae) and Gomes who are on 40-100k/week and ageing. If we don't shift them soon we'll be paying off their contracts for nothing over the next couple of years. While there is probably over £25m worth of fee's to be claimed there, I'd probably take half that if we have not started to shift them when the season gets started. We don't want to be stuck with almost 15m/year of wages on the wage-bill for players who simply don't fit into AVB's vision of a pressing 4-4-2.

The likes of Livermore, Naughton, Falque are low priority sales. And Ade (and arguably BAE too) is in a camp by himself, at 29- and good enough to contribute the squad the last 3 years of his deal at sufficient quality if his attidute is there and focus kept on football.
 

mpickard2087

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I've heard this before. Wouldn't surprise me if his thuggish relatives put pressure on someone at Spurs to sign him up. I doubt it was purely for his special brand of invisible footballing ability.

To be fair, whenever I saw him play in the youth ranks he always struck me as a 'jack of all trades'/box-to-box midfielder. He was the type who covered the miles and got himself into the penalty area. Even in his first few appearances for us, I remember commenting that he made some pretty intelligent, well timed forward runs but wasn't picked out. Getting to the first team its like the two managers have seen he is well-built, 6ft+ and decided he should be the defensive midfielder, and he just doesn't have the awareness or positional ability to do it. His best bet I would say would be in a three man centre mid, with a proper anchor man and a playmaker, and he just covers every blade of grass. However for him this needed to happen two years ago, his time to develop is almost certainly up now.

Ok, back on topic...
 

Stoof

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Yay! It's the "assign arbitrary values to players" game!

I suppose that follows up LLM's info on how we make payments, despite the fact that we know that when we're buying it goes through the banks. Therefore the comment about two clubs going bust in a potential structuring isn't right for us when we're buying. Seller club is guaranteed to receive funds from the buyer's bank. Debt would be owed between buyer and buyer's bank. Seller would be fine.

I can't believe we're the only club that finances this way. If you can find my big post in Spurs Chat about the finances - it is very interesting.
 

N17TJK

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I think that we could legitimately expect 5 million for Naughton as a solid, atheltic and versatile full back with the 'young English premium', at 24. He is premiership proven and probably a better defender than Walker. Even Livermore, should go for 6m with some add ons in the same vein as an England international and top class athlete. While high the prices are not crazily so imo.

The ones we should get out at lower prices are the likes of 30 somethings/crocks Parker, defoe, Huddleston, dempsey, (Bae) and Gomes who are on 40-100k/week and ageing. If we don't shift them soon we'll be paying off their contracts for nothing over the next couple of years. While there is probably over £25m worth of fee's to be claimed there, I'd probably take half that if we have not started to shift them when the season gets started. We don't want to be stuck with almost 15m/year of wages on the wage-bill for players who simply don't fit into AVB's vision of a pressing 4-4-2.

The likes of Livermore, Naughton, Falque are low priority sales. And Ade (and arguably BAE too) is in a camp by himself, at 29- and good enough to contribute the squad the last 3 years of his deal at sufficient quality if his attidute is there and focus kept on football.
in the words of john henry, what have you been smoking?
 

wpd659

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The clubs arnt doing tours due to a sheduled power cut from around 8am till Anytime up to 16.30 Alot of the area around the club are having similar planned power cuts. Nothing more than that. But doesnt mean we wont see a annoucement this weekend as we have other places for office staff to work if needed.
 

Grapo2001

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It wouldn't be too far fetched that the stadium tours were cancelled for a soldado holding up our shirt at WHL type unveiling. Obviously they wouldn't want the public leaking that they had seen soldado around the Lane.

Probably clutching at straws, but the last few signings haven't been traditional in the sense of a shirt holding. Chadli we didn't even get a photo, and Paulinho was just in a polo shirt at the training complex.

Maybe for our "big" signing we want to push the boat out?
 

Gbspurs

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Jan 27, 2011
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The clubs arnt doing tours due to a sheduled power cut from around 8am till Anytime up to 16.30 Alot of the area around the club are having similar planned power cuts. Nothing more than that. But doesnt mean we wont see a annoucement this weekend as we have other places for office staff to work if needed.

Boooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
 

Cavehillspur

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It wouldn't be too far fetched that the stadium tours were cancelled for a soldado holding up our shirt at WHL type unveiling. Obviously they wouldn't want the public leaking that they had seen soldado around the Lane.

Probably clutching at straws, but the last few signings haven't been traditional in the sense of a shirt holding. Chadli we didn't even get a photo, and Paulinho was just in a polo shirt at the training complex.

Maybe for our "big" signing we want to push the boat out?

Think the last time we did that type of unveiling was Davids.
 

Lilbaz

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Yay! It's the "assign arbitrary values to players" game!

I suppose that follows up LLM's info on how we make payments, despite the fact that we know that when we're buying it goes through the banks. Therefore the comment about two clubs going bust in a potential structuring isn't right for us when we're buying. Seller club is guaranteed to receive funds from the buyer's bank. Debt would be owed between buyer and buyer's bank. Seller would be fine.

I can't believe we're the only club that finances this way. If you can find my big post in Spurs Chat about the finances - it is very interesting.


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