The Cricket Thread

[Impspur1]

I wonder if they’re protecting Rehan Ahmed, especially for the winter. For me, they should give him a go, what a way to make a name for yourself: he certainly did vs Pakistan in the winter.

I think Tongue should now be a shoe in, sadly drop Jimmy and bring in Wood. Broad is fired up and has 7 more wickets to get to 600th test wicket. I know Robinson has his wickets but also looks rusty. Also if Pope is injured who will they bring in? Move Bairstow up the order and get Foakes?

I’d probably go Stokes to 3, Root apart he’s technically our best equipped batsman to move up the order.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

Add Mahmood and Olly Stone to that list too, all 4. Bowl consistently 90mph+. I said the other day that I’d you took 4 of the Aussie quicksand out how would they cope?

Completely forgot about Mahmood and Stone. Being a fast bowler, particularly these days with the sheer amount of cricket played makes it difficult to not sustain injuries. Totally agree with that and also they’d be lethal in Aussie conditions too.

 

[dimiSpur]

I can see Ali coming back in for Jimmy. I love Jimmy and want him back fired up for Old Trafford. Whether its the pitches or his age, he has been rather ineffective so far.

Robinson was poor, but still took 5 in the match? And he's leading wicket taker. He has a nack for taking wickets and he is the future leader of the attack I'm sure of that.

May go Woakes to boost batting lineup. Depending on Pope's injury we could end up with a very different XI.

Crawley, Duckett, Pope/Foakes (not at 3), Root, Brook, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Broad, Tongue/Woakes/Robinson, Wood

 

[Impspur1]

Completely forgot about Mahmood and Stone. Being a fast bowler, particularly these days with the sheer amount of cricket played makes it difficult to not sustain injuries. Totally agree with that and also they’d be lethal in Aussie conditions too.

I’m assuming that England use the spurs physios because if they could get them all fit we’d have a hell of a fast bowling unit

 

[aussiespursguy]

Both sides need to fuck off with the short ball shite, boring as fuck at times. Feel like I haven’t seen a cover drive since Friday!

If the pitch had more life in it then we would see a different approach. From both teams.

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

Having said that, pretty dumb thing to do by Australia.

 

[RandAlThor]

Did England not do similar when Ollie Pope threw stump down last year?

And Bairstow tried it himself this very game.

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

When it comes to Brendon McCollum you’ve got to remember several things about him.

1: he’s a grade A **** who’ll stab anyone in the back if it helps him het ahead.

2: he’s a liar, hypocrite and generally full of shit.

3: it’s worth repeating he’s a ****. Because he’s a ****.

Brendon McCullum's 'hypocrisy' exposed after Aussie cheating claims

The former Black Caps captain has been labelled a hypocrite.

www.nzherald.co.nz

*apologies for the image, if this is still bad feel free to delete again.

 

[KPSPUR]

No. The New Zealand batter played the ball, stepped forward to take a run not knowing where the ball had gone and Pope ran him out.

That is not what happened. De grandhomme was runout while looking at the on-field umpire following an LBW shout. He wasn't looking for a run.

WATCH: Colin de Grandhomme's brainfade moment; gets run-out looking at umpire on an LBW shout

Colin de Grandhomme was out run-out following an LBW shout against him during the second-innings at Lord's.

cricxtasy.com

 

[Twizzle]

Having said that, pretty dumb thing to do by Australia.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Load of bollocks, what about this, what about that, at the end of the day, the Australian captain had a decision to make and he made it. THAT is the problem here. An individual player will do the odd silly thing, nobody denies it but then it passes on to the captain to make a decision and It just further illustrates the difference. MS Dhoni had exactly that choice to make and he made it and won the Spirit of Cricket award. We can all hold up examples, such as Collingwood against New Zealand in 2008, this captain, that captain but yesterday, regardless of all the whatabout bollocks, the Australians reverted to type and added a further layer to the rivalry. I don't know about the Ashes of England cricket but the Spirit of Cricket took a hit yesterday.

That said, what a series

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Load of bollocks, what about this, what about that, at the end of the day, the Australian captain had a decision to make and he made it. THAT is the problem here. An individual player will do the odd silly thing, nobody denies it but then it passes on to the captain to make a decision and It just further illustrates the difference. MS Dhoni had exactly that choice to make and he made it and won the Spirit of Cricket award. We can all hold up examples, such as Collingwood against New Zealand in 2008, this captain, that captain but yesterday, regardless of all the whatabout bollocks, the Australians reverted to type and added a further layer to the rivalry. I don't know about the Ashes of England cricket but the Spirit of Cricket took a hit yesterday.

That said, what a series

And then rather than take it on the chin and call out a poor decision by their captain, the media and fans compound it by going into whataboutery mode. I am pretty convinced that Stokes given the same circumstances would have called the batsmen back and if he hadn't he should have been called out by fans and media.
Winning just means far too much to the Aussies and at times they go too far to achieve it.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

If this is the video I think it is (it won't play in the UK) then it's not the same thing at all.

It was so much quicker and essentially a reminder to the batsman the risks of batting outside the crease. If Labuschagne had been out that way it would have been because he'd never been inside the crease for a second.

The Aussie one was after they'd seen a pattern in YJB's play and exploited it even though no advantage was gained by the batsman.

Oh - and everything A&C said.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

That is not what happened. De grandhomme was runout while looking at the on-field umpire following an LBW shout. He wasn't looking for a run.

WATCH: Colin de Grandhomme's brainfade moment; gets run-out looking at umpire on an LBW shout

Colin de Grandhomme was out run-out following an LBW shout against him during the second-innings at Lord's.

cricxtasy.com

That’s your interpretation of it, sure.

Still isn’t comparable in the slightest to what Carey did, though. CdG was off balance, left his crease, and lost track of the ball. Had he been stumped, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid. It was also in the middle of an over. Bairstow saw the umpires moving, had touched his mark and was going down the wicket to do some gardening/speak to Stokes as he thought the ball was dead. Stupid on his part but still entirely classless by Carey.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Has Secretskipper Smith said anything about it? It'd be interesting to see if he or slugface Warner start up about it or if they keep a low profile given their previous.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

That is not what happened. De grandhomme was runout while looking at the on-field umpire following an LBW shout. He wasn't looking for a run.

WATCH: Colin de Grandhomme's brainfade moment; gets run-out looking at umpire on an LBW shout

Colin de Grandhomme was out run-out following an LBW shout against him during the second-innings at Lord's.

cricxtasy.com

What planet are you on making this comparison? Not even close to being the same thing.

Actually ignore that question - which galaxy are you in?

 

[1961beavera]

I suspect if this happened in a series on their turf it would be in the conversation leading up to the next test. They'll try to keep quiet (as much as possible), bear has already been poked and our crowds can be a vociferous as theirs. Given secret skipper's fielding performance at Lords he'll not want to be on the boundary much and Warner has previous.

Add to that a couple of dodgy catches.

Reminds of India's women in the final against England, looking like the ladies would get an unlikely win the bowler 'runs out' the non-striker without warning.

 

[dimiSpur]

I can't believe there's a debate about this. Carey noticed that Bairstow, when leaving/ducking the ball, considered the ball dead and moved out of his crease relatively early. Bairstow is naïve. Legally, it's out, just.

However there's little doubt that this is something that is classless and a win at all costs attitude. The same attitude that led others to carry around sandpaper in their pockets. Australia cricket is still trying to rebuild its lost reputation in the aftermath of that scandal. Instead, Smith is still effectively trying to captain the side. And now Cummins believes that was a fair stumping.

I would add that I like Cummins, he's probably the best bowler in the world right now and he seems a nice bloke. I don't think he made a decision to go on with the appeal. I just think he was too weak to withdraw it or it didn't even cross his mind with those other ****s chirping and celebrating the stumping. I think Cummins is guilty of just being a weak captain. Not of trying to uphold the appeal for the stumping.

Like I said yesterday, de Grandhomme is completely different, as he was run out after running 2-3 metres apparently looking to set off on a run. Bairstow, in the same game, threw the ball at Marnus' stumps, as he was batting out of his crease in an attempt to cancel out any swing.

Carey threw the ball as he realised the opposition player was believing the ball to be dead. Not to gain a sporting advantage, not through being off balance and therefore not "defeated" by the ball. If Bairstow ducked, lost balance and fell forward, I'd have no problem with this stumping.

Cummins said that Carey noticed it beforehand, so it was a premeditated piece of play.

Someone rightly pointed out that it's akin to not giving the ball back after the opposition kicked the ball out of play for your player to receive treatment from a physio and then scoring a goal. There is no law prohibiting it, but it's a disgusting thing to do. So all this rubbish that the laws of the game are there and that's it, or that the "spirit" of the game is something that only comes up in cricket, is absolute bullshit.

I would have a lot more respect if the Aussies defended it by saying "we wanted to win, it's within legal parameters, fuck you". Instead they're trying to find parallels or bring up McCullum's past instances, to prove what? That 2 wrongs make a right? Fuck off. Can't wait for Headingley now and I truly believe that if England can win and make it 2-1, a comeback isn't impossible if they can maintain this fire.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

I can't believe there's a debate about this. Carey noticed that Bairstow, when leaving/ducking the ball, considered the ball dead and moved out of his crease relatively early. Bairstow is naïve. Legally, it's out, just.

However there's little doubt that this is something that is classless and a win at all costs attitude. The same attitude that led others to carry around sandpaper in their pockets. Australia cricket is still trying to rebuild its lost reputation in the aftermath of that scandal. Instead, Smith is still effectively trying to captain the side. And now Cummins believes that was a fair stumping.

I would add that I like Cummins, he's probably the best bowler in the world right now and he seems a nice bloke. I don't think he made a decision to go on with the appeal. I just think he was too weak to withdraw it or it didn't even cross his mind with those other ****s chirping and celebrating the stumping. I think Cummins is guilty of just being a weak captain. Not of trying to uphold the appeal for the stumping.

Like I said yesterday, de Grandhomme is completely different, as he was run out after running 2-3 metres apparently looking to set off on a run. Bairstow, in the same game, threw the ball at Marnus' stumps, as he was batting out of his crease in an attempt to cancel out any swing.

Carey threw the ball as he realised the opposition player was believing the ball to be dead. Not to gain a sporting advantage, not through being off balance and therefore not "defeated" by the ball. If Bairstow ducked, lost balance and fell forward, I'd have no problem with this stumping.

Cummins said that Carey noticed it beforehand, so it was a premeditated piece of play.

Someone rightly pointed out that it's akin to not giving the ball back after the opposition kicked the ball out of play for your player to receive treatment from a physio and then scoring a goal. There is no law prohibiting it, but it's a disgusting thing to do. So all this rubbish that the laws of the game are there and that's it, or that the "spirit" of the game is something that only comes up in cricket, is absolute bullshit.

I would have a lot more respect if the Aussies defended it by saying "we wanted to win, it's within legal parameters, fuck you". Instead they're trying to find parallels or bring up McCullum's past instances, to prove what? That 2 wrongs make a right? Fuck off. Can't wait for Headingley now and I truly believe that if England can win and make it 2-1, a comeback isn't impossible if they can maintain this fire.

I think you'll find that being on the verge of winning the Ashes is just a coincidental consequence of the stumping.

At the time, Carey and Cummins were doing the honorable thing and only had one thought:

"F*** you McCullum, this is for Chris Mpofu in '05".

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I've calmed down a bit today but If Postecoglou doesn't dedicate his first Managers' programme notes to a total destruction of character of every Aussie at Lords yesterday... well... then...

#BigAngeOut.