Team v West Brom
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dudu
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I also think we are becoming tactically flexible enough to be ale to change things mid games even if our initial game plan isnt working.
We did more than enough to beat them at their place - creating the chances wasn't really the issue against them in the first half.
SonicSarr
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Eriksen did get 2 assists from the right v Chelsea.
dondo
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nightgoat
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We played with five defenders against Chelsea and Villa, plus a defensive midfielder (Wanyama v Chelsea, Dier v Villa). Rose and Walker are technically still defenders in both formations, even though they're both very effective attacking outlets. 4-2-3-1 allows us to replace one of the centre backs with another more forward minded player, either Winks in midfield or Son/Sissoko as one of the three forwards.
No to the 343 in this one.
Lloris
Walker Alderweireld Vertonghen Rose
Dier Dembele
Eriksen Alli Son
Kane
Vorm, Wimmer, Wanyama, Winks, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Harrison
Dier is better than Wanyama going forward and can split the CB's better although Wanyama is like an engine in the midfield. Just think we need more going forward in these types of games.
1 defender and Wanyama on the bench should be enough for this game. And since im only going with 1 defensive player, I'm going with Harrison over Onomah on the bench because we could use a striker on the bench here with Son starting. Im not putting Janssen on the bench because i dont think he should be considered for many more games this season. Best to shut him down now and put him on a strick training regimen aimed at getting him ready to come out firing in the English game next season.
Lloris
Walker Alderweireld Vertonghen Rose
Dier Dembele
Eriksen Alli Son
Kane
Vorm, Wimmer, Wanyama, Winks, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Harrison
Dier is better than Wanyama going forward and can split the CB's better although Wanyama is like an engine in the midfield. Just think we need more going forward in these types of games.
1 defender and Wanyama on the bench should be enough for this game. And since im only going with 1 defensive player, I'm going with Harrison over Onomah on the bench because we could use a striker on the bench here with Son starting. Im not putting Janssen on the bench because i dont think he should be considered for many more games this season. Best to shut him down now and put him on a strick training regimen aimed at getting him ready to come out firing in the English game next season.
dondo
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I disagree walker and rose played so high up the pitch vs Chelsea that they can't be classed as defenders
nightgoat
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That's fair enough, but their average positions v both Liverpool and Man City at home where we played 4-2-3-1 were almost identical to v Chelsea. Walker was slightly further back against Liverpool but then nearly half Liverpool's attacks came down their left.
Ultimately they play the same role whether we play 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-3/3-4-2-1 so whether you consider them defenders, attackers or both, we still have more defenders on the pitch when playing three at the back, which is unnecessary at home to West Brom.
millsey
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Dier is not better than Wanyama going fwrd
glospur
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I'm always a bit bemused by this notion.
Wouldn't a back 3 naturally mean that there is actually one less defender compared to a back 4? Walker and Rose effectively play as midfielders in the 3-4-3 formation rather than wingbacks.
Everlasting Seconds
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Agreed, 12 players really should nick the game.
thebenjamin
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Yeah 3 at the back is clearly a more attacking formation for us. 3 defenders vs 4. And as we get all our width from Rose and Walker, it means they can stay high and not worry too much about getting back, given Dier and Vertonghen are both comfortable in full back areas. It also means we have an extra body in the middle so Alli can get nearer / beyond Kane with more frequency.
3 at the back suits our personnel and strengths so well, I expect us to use it more often than not from now on.
3 at the back suits our personnel and strengths so well, I expect us to use it more often than not from now on.
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I don't think it's true that Walker and Rose are any free-er or any further forward when we play a back 3. They are the epitome of the modern full back, rather than the wing backs. The reason they are rightly being regarded as the best pairing in the league is because they can do it all.
If I knew how to get the average player position maps I'd try and prove it, though I guess I could be wrong.
The thing that stands out to me in the 3 at the back system is we're swapping an attacking player for a centre back. I could understand the argument maybe if we were playing wingers at wing back with obviously less defensive responsibility, or we were playing a more progressive central midfield, but we're not. We're literally swapping an attaching threat for a centre back.
nightgoat
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In the Match Report it's the fifth tab in Positional Report.
DanielCHillier
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In theory Walker and Rose would get in those positions anyway leaving 2 at the back rather than 3, but I prefer the 3-4-3 as well because it means that they don't have to track back as much when we're defending and allow us to launch quicker counter attacks. Also i noticed during the Chelsea game that either Dier or Vertonghen often appeared in quite an advanced position as they're covered by the other 2 CB's.
