Supporters Age Vs Ideas of Success

[Lighty64]

I wasn't to win any comp we go into, but I'm an old and loved the early 80's. I want to see us playing CL footy, and hope 1 day we could even go onto win it.

lets hope we can build on this season, become a regular, and eventually win the lot

 

[Lighty64]

Thrashing Inter 3-1, that was unbelievable. More of that any day.

Lets be honest the respect nowadays comes in the form of CL and I still think we deserved more for what we did in the CL that season when you look at the routine exits Arsenal normally take and the money City have thrown at it and got nowhere near close to how we fared in it in one season.

TSH is right though, we become a top four regular and the rest takes care of itself in the sense that we're more competitive and increase our chances of winning more silverware right across the board.

I must admit a brilliant night

can you give me your honest view when 4-0 down to them at the San Siro? me I wanted the ground to open up and swallow me, so glad it never

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Arsenal are never introduced as the sixteen season Champions league qualifiers, but very often called FA Cup holders Arsenal.

Trophies fill cabinets at a Club and not a 4th, 3rd or 2nd placed finish.

For me a nice shiny cup wins hands down every time.

 

[Borks]

Who cares how you're introduced? The memories of the European away days far outweigh the day(s) at Wembley for a domestic cup final.

 

[TheChosenOne]

UCL.. Just like making love with a beautiful voluptuous woman (or whatever floats your boat) - it's a great feeling

But most people have those dry periods in life when something comes along that makes you top of the pile for a while..

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

you speak for yourself, once upon a time as a kid that was the next biggest trophy to the World Cup

That's the whole problem. It's all about "once upon a time".

It used to be the greatest single day of football on the planet bar the World Cup Final, and even that is an upstart that England rejected to begin with. But that's the past, and the present is very different.

The FA Cup has been relegated season after season. Sadly, tragically even, it's gone the way of Wanderers and Clapham Rovers.

 

[Bobbins]

We absolutely have to win a cup in the next couple of years, so we can continue being the only club alongside United that have won a trophy in each of the last six decades...

Other than that, I don't know or really care any more tbh.

The League Cup is now thought of as a Mickey Mouse cup by everyone, despite it actually being worth winning. We're now seeing the FA Cup going down the same route where people couldn't care less about it. The top 4 doesn't even feel like much of an achievement this season considering what's happening.

The title would feel special but I couldn't see us dominating even were we to win that - I'm sure the FA/UEFA/Women's Institute could come up with some elaborate way to screw us out of winning it at the last minute or disqualifying us from the CL next season anyway.

Football just doesn't mean that much to me anymore, to the point where the individual trophies or achievements, and consequences of them, just have much less relevance to my life than they did say 5 or 10 years ago. I should be incredibly proud of our team and the fact we have so many young, home-grown players but as much as I'm enjoying this season I just still don't feel that connection of years past.

It's totally my problem, nothing to do with the club. It's a problem I have with football in general these days - basically it's a pretty shitty sport. Full of wankers, awful football clubs and billionaires. The media coverage is infuriatingly terrible and completely and utterly biased (in favour of the clubs I hate the most). I also absolutely hate football fans in general - this is almost entirely the fault of social media, which is an endless assault of idiot children, knuckle-dragging meatheads, chip-on-your-shoulder northern or Scottish wankers and African Football Experts who think football was invented by Arsenal in 2007. Consequently much of the pride and bragging rights that comes with winning stuff is lost in a sea of dismissive denial, racism, piss-taking and general internet ****yness which infects so much of our world these days.

If Spurs win something I'll be over the moon and immensely proud for a little while, but the long-term feeling of happiness and satisfaction - hell, even just general passion - went out of the game a while ago for me, and shows little sign of coming back.

 

[tooey]

Regular CL football would undoubtedly improve our chances of winning silverware, and before somebody brings up Arsenal, they're the exception, not the rule. Trophies are of course the ultimate goal but in order to win the biggest club trophy in world football you have to qualify for it. Hate it or love it, CL football is the pinnacle.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

There seems to be a split of what people would rather we achieve as a club in the 21st century.

Some would rather we established ourselves in the leagues top 4 and be regularly competing in the champions league.

Some would trade that in for cup wins.

I'm curious, is it a generation thing?

Champions League is a great thing for the club in terms of money earned, but competing and (potentially) losing year after year is hardly an indicator of success in my opinion.

As talkshowhost86 said, the FA Cup no longer has the glamour or interest as it once did, although the prospect of actually winning something and having a nice chunk of silverware in the trophy cabinet should be something the team (and the fans) aspire to.

Coming 3rd or 4th in the Prem is still just being a runner up as far as I'm concerned. A true measure of success would be to win the Premier League and continue to be a team that looks like winning it year after year and if we don't win it then at least be a fucking close second.

Caveat: I am also a very old person.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Champions League is a great thing for the club in terms of money earned, but competing and (potentially) losing year after year is hardly an indicator of success in my opinion.

As talkshowhost86 said, the FA Cup no longer has the glamour or interest as it once did, although the prospect of actually winning something and having a nice chunk of silverware in the trophy cabinet should be something the team (and the fans) aspire to.

Coming 3rd or 4th in the Prem is still just being a runner up as far as I'm concerned. A true measure of success would be to win the Premier League and continue to be a team that looks like winning it year after year and if we don't win it then at least be a fucking close second.

Caveat: I am also a very old person.

Well BMIE, it comes down to the contentious point .... A Champions League should be for CHAMPIONS, (and the current holders if applicable. not runners ups and 3rds and 4ths - also rans should all go in a less worthy competition.

Money talks though.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Who cares how you're introduced? The memories of the European away days far outweigh the day(s) at Wembley for a domestic cup final.

Memories for who? The fans that had the money and the points to go and see those games or the team and the club that has naff all to show for it, except possibly a good hiding at the hands of a Barcelona or Real Madrid?

I'd be willing to bet the club doesn't regard a 1-nil win against AC Milan 5 years ago as a success, regardless of how many fans had a nice couple of days in Italy.

 

[Borks]

Memories for who? The fans that had the money and the points to go and see those games or the team and the club that has naff all to show for it, except possibly a good hiding at the hands of a Barcelona or Real Madrid?

I'd be willing to bet the club doesn't regard a 1-nil win against AC Milan 5 years ago as a success, regardless of how many fans had a nice couple of days in Italy.

I'm by no means wealthy but I did Milan 0-1 and Madrid 4-0 away from home sitting with the home fans both times. It's not just about the football though; we hired a minibus for the Milan game and drove out there, the memories from that trip far, far outweigh me jumping on a train to London to see us at Wembley. I've forgone things to pay for these trips so for me, they will be the most enjoyable and the win against Milan makes it all the more sweet.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Memories for who? The fans that had the money and the points to go and see those games or the team and the club that has naff all to show for it, except possibly a good hiding at the hands of a Barcelona or Real Madrid?

I'd be willing to bet the club doesn't regard a 1-nil win against AC Milan 5 years ago as a success, regardless of how many fans had a nice couple of days in Italy.

Agreed, but no matter how much we want to win a proper Cup Final, we can't make the modern FA Cup what it once was.

If we treat the FACup as though it was a trophy truly worth winning, we'll be kidding ourselves.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I'm by no means wealthy but I did Milan 0-1 and Madrid 4-0 away from home sitting with the home fans both times. It's not just about the football though; we hired a minibus for the Milan game and drove out there, the memories from that trip far, far outweigh me jumping on a train to London to see us at Wembley. I've forgone things to pay for these trips so for me, they will be the most enjoyable and the win against Milan makes it all the more sweet.

That's cool, I understand you had a good time and I did the same thing many years ago in the days of the UEFA Cup (when it was a big deal), but that doesn't make it a success for the club as a whole which is what the OP asked.

Success in competitions will translate into us being a "bigger club" - and I hate that term - as opposed to just being something like a Liverpool.

Agreed, but no matter how much we want to win a proper Cup Final, we can't make the modern FA Cup what it once was.

If we treat the FACup as though it was a trophy truly worth winning, we'll be kidding ourselves.

I agree with this as well. As I said, the FA Cup is no longer the trophy it was and the double has now been cheapened by shit clubs doing the same thing.

How about we try and win the the fucking Europa League before we set our sights on the CL? Stepping stones and all that.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Away games can sound glamorous and great fun, I should know I have been on many myself and
I could tell you tales from those coach trips to Germany that would keep you laughing until next weekend.

All is not fun though, stabbings, shootings and baton charges happen far too often, the English are hated
throughout many of the European city slums by Ultras and Nazi's spoiling for a deadly scrap.

 

[Borks]

That's cool, I understand you had a good time and I did the same thing many years ago in the days of the UEFA Cup (when it was a big deal), but that doesn't make it a success for the club as a whole which is what the OP asked.

Success in competitions will translate into us being a "bigger club" - and I hate that term - as opposed to just being something like a Liverpool.



I agree with this as well. As I said, the FA Cup is no longer the trophy it was and the double has now been cheapened by shit clubs doing the same thing.

How about we try and win the the fucking Europa League before we set our sights on the CL? Stepping stones and all that.

Fair enough, I just prefer to view it from my perspective as that's why I follow football, for the enjoyment of the trips, the football most of the time but generally the memories from it. A part of me will be sad if we win the league, being the nearly men is what makes supporting spurs so exciting IMO.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I'm by no means wealthy but I did Milan 0-1 and Madrid 4-0 away from home sitting with the home fans both times. It's not just about the football though; we hired a minibus for the Milan game and drove out there, the memories from that trip far, far outweigh me jumping on a train to London to see us at Wembley. I've forgone things to pay for these trips so for me, they will be the most enjoyable and the win against Milan makes it all the more sweet.

That's a great post.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Fair enough, I just prefer to view it from my perspective as that's why I follow football, for the enjoyment of the trips, the football most of the time but generally the memories from it. A part of me will be sad if we win the league, being the nearly men is what makes supporting spurs so exciting IMO.

Take a bow, you are a true supporter.
(and I mean that most sincerely)

 

[mpickard2087]

I always think the aim, and am disappointed when we don't, win every game that we play. We should aim to win every competition. League finish and CL qualification regularly is the meat and drink of the campaign, but cup wins on a fairly regular basis are a good mark of where we are as a club.

 

[StockSpur]

As mentioned once or twice before, its a business, in order to grow it needs revenue, a bigger stadium with 25,000 extra seats, filled up with 70quid a go CL tickets isnt bad for turnover, neither is the money for being in the CL. We also get to keep our best talent and a chance to attract more.

You can keep the FA Cup for a few seasons, it wont effect the impact on the clubs finances that the CL will have and thats what we need to get better.

Priorities, I think the club is being run very well at this point in this time and not just on the pitch.