Summer Transfer Wish List - 2017

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree, that he maybe has had to adapt under Klopp, but the way he's portrayed in the Liverpool-centric media you'd think he'd had breakout seasons like Hazard, Mahrez etc. Scoring and assisting 20+ goals.

All fans are guilty of this though, our fans are as bad as theirs for over hyping our players at times.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This. Rarely post on here, but the level of delusion in even implying Son is better than Coutinho is almost RAWK level delusion. We're better than that (I hope).

For the record I would take Coutinho in a second here. Alright, I can move on with my life now...

I like Coutinho, but as long as we have Eriksen, we don't need him here.

 

[danielneeds]

All fans are guilty of this though, our fans are as bad as theirs for over hyping our players at times.

Possibly - but it's much worse with Liverpool players, and the "it's our year" mob on the TV and the media.

 

[brb627]

I like Coutinho, but as long as we have Eriksen, we don't need him here.

Agreed we don't need him, just saying he is a lot better than Son at the moment. And that is not suggesting we sell Son...I think he is a very skilled and useful player who can still develop, but often frustrates me with his inconsistency and (even at his best) lack of team play.

The only thing I'll add is that I generally believe not necessarily needing someone is not a reason not to buy them. I would rather buy someone who can add overall quality than someone who fits a direct need. For example, though there is no news to suggest this will happen, my #1 borderline-realistic target (note: not even counting Isco as borderline realistic anymore...won't do it to myself) would probably be Mahrez this summer on sheer quality alone.

 

[Dharmabum]

My personal take is Son is a proven squad goal scorer and assister.

DO NOT sell him unless you get the improvement in the building and he proves he's better than Son. In essentially the same way as Son showed he was better than Chadli.

It would be mind numbingly fucking stupid to let a proven scoring commodity go for a promise of improvement. As we don't have an embarrassment of riches with finances or with squad depth to be making those types of gambles.

I see your point, and agree that unless quality replacements are lined up then Spurs should not let him go.
However, as I have pointed out before, and which has been a topic for several season: many, of most, on SC - and other Spurs boards - really want Spurs to acquire at least 1, or 2, top-quality WF with speed, ball-skills and goals in them. Dreamy calls for players like Lacazette, Brandt, Marco Reus, Mane,Kingsley Koman, Depay, (him not so much anymore) have been made ("prayed" for) on many an occasion. If Spurs bought 2 "such" players - or even just 1 - it would keep Son out of the team.
Why are so many wanting top-notch WF yet unwilling to give up Son? If shows so many are not happy with the WF situaiton at Spurs right now.
Even when Lamela was playing Spurs fans were shouting for at 1 least quality fast, ticky WF to be signed.
And Son has proven again and again that he's not a lone CF type, so the only place for him in the Spurs team is as a WF.
I am NOT saying Son is not doing well but for his price I had expected more from him. And the fact that he was almost sold last summer shows "something" was going on behind the scene (which may have been sorted out by now though).
Son has talent, has shown moments of brillance, never complained in the press for lack of playing time, always seem cheerful etc. etc- he is a very likeable character. And I am in no rush to sell him. But I am not against an up-grade of him either.
So aren't all those who are against selling Son yet shouting about Spurs need to get 1-2 top-notch WF also saying they are open to let Son go? To claim otherwsie is hypocritical.
How many Njies and N'koudous do Spurs have to acquire before it results in a "Mane"?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Agreed we don't need him, just saying he is a lot better than Son at the moment. And that is not suggesting we sell Son...I think he is a very skilled and useful player who can still develop, but often frustrates me with his inconsistency and (even at his best) lack of team play.

The only thing I'll add is that I generally believe not necessarily needing someone is not a reason not to buy them. I would rather buy someone who can add overall quality than someone who fits a direct need. For example, though there is no news to suggest this will happen, my #1 borderline-realistic target (note: not even counting Isco as borderline realistic anymore...won't do it to myself) would probably be Mahrez this summer on sheer quality alone.

I think it depends on the ethos/culture/semantics of the club at the time. There are certain times when I've thought about certain players "I don't care how he fits, just buy him because you just know he will improve us" like Modric. But at the moment we are at a very precarious stage. We are as much about balance and collective harmony as we have ever been, no longer a team reliant on luck and the odd bit of individual ability so at the moment I feel chemistry of the group is as vital as it's individual components and as such I wouldn't want us to sign someone just because they are individually gifted, they have to fit in with the philosophy and personality of the collective too.

 

[Dharmabum]

Coutinho is one of the most over-hyped players in world football.Terrific ability, but rarely produces consistently. He'll be 25 soon, too, no longer a young prospect.

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A playmaker who has in fact less assists than 'more of a striker type' playing for a team who are the highest scorers in the league.

Food for thought...

I did not start a debate whether Coutinho is better than Son All I was saying is that Coutinho is more of a playemaker: isn't that so?
I am very happy that Son has better assist stats than Coutinho as well he's scored more goals. In fact I wish his stats were even much better than Coutinho
What you are basically saying is that Son is the best WF Spurs can have and that you don't see a need for Spurs to go after a fast, top-quality WF. I believe there are better WF out there and that Spurs need one (at least).

 

[Shadydan]

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I did not start a debate whether Coutinho is better than Son All I was saying is that Coutinho is more of a playemaker: isn't that so?
I am very happy that Son has better assist stats than Coutinho as well he's scored more goals. In fact I wish his stats were even much better than Coutinho
What you are basically saying is that Son is the best WF Spurs can have and that you don't see a need for Spurs to go after a fast, top-quality WF. I believe there are better WF out there and that Spurs need one (at least).

Fair enough...I do agree it's whether we can get them which is the issue.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I see your point, and agree that unless quality replacements are lined up then Spurs should not let him go.
However, as I have pointed out before


Ok, I stand corrected.
I used the stats from this link which says 3 assists:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/91909/Show/Son-Heung-Min

But in this link it says 6 assists
http://www.transfermarkt.com/heung-min-son/profil/spieler/91845

transfermarkt count winning a penalty as an assist.

 

[danielneeds]

Dahoud confirmed to Dortmund.

 

[allpaths]

This. Rarely post on here, but the level of delusion in even implying Son is better than Coutinho is almost RAWK level delusion. We're better than that (I hope).

For the record I would take Coutinho in a second here. Alright, I can move on with my life now...

The point isn't meant to say one is better than the other, but to show that Son's had a very good season, and the fact that there is even a suggestion of swapping son is a joke. The only way we as a club wouldn't need Son is if we are bringing in two better WF types, which is never going to be the case.

 

[Sweech]

To all my replies I just wanted to state I do understand Son and Coutinho are slightly different players. I was looking at them in a very basic lenses as attacking players who operate primarily from the left. Just as an overall highlight to show Son is a very productive attacking player.

That said I do take umbrage with people calling Coutinho a playmaker. He's not that, and if he is then he's relatively poor compared to his peers in this league. He's a dribble and shoot type of attacking midfielder he's not much of a creative force.

 

[nicdic]

Shout out to all you MOTD watching Coutinho lovers.

 

[nightgoat]

I see your point, and agree that unless quality replacements are lined up then Spurs should not let him go.
However, as I have pointed out before


Ok, I stand corrected.
I used the stats from this link which says 3 assists:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/91909/Show/Son-Heung-Min

But in this link it says 6 assists
http://www.transfermarkt.com/heung-min-son/profil/spieler/91845

Any source crediting Son with six assists is counting being fouled for a penalty as an assist, which he has been twice - at home to West Ham and Middlesbrough. Officially they don't count. It's also crediting him with an assist for Kane's first goal against West Ham, as he tapped in after Son's shot was parried by the keeper. Again, officially that doesn't count as an assist.

Premier League official stats has him on three assists. So you were correct, officially.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist

 

[Shadydan]

To all my replies I just wanted to state I do understand Son and Coutinho are slightly different players. I was looking at them in a very basic lenses as attacking players who operate primarily from the left. Just as an overall highlight to show Son is a very productive attacking player.

That said I do take umbrage with people calling Coutinho a playmaker. He's not that, and if he is then he's relatively poor compared to his peers in this league. He's a dribble and shoot type of attacking midfielder he's not much of a creative force.

Coutinho is more akin to Hazard and Sanchez, you're right he isn't a playmaker.

 

[Spurrific]

Coutinho is more akin to Hazard and Sanchez, you're right he isn't a playmaker.

Akin to them in what sense? As in nothing like them, doesn't play in the same position, nowhere near as good and not on the same planet of productivity? If so, yeah, I agree.

 

[Shadydan]

Akin to them in what sense? As in nothing like them, doesn't play in the same position, nowhere near as good and not on the same planet of productivity? If so, yeah, I agree.

As in they're all inside forwards, they all play in the same position and are alike.

Not really sure who else you can compare him with, hes definitely no playmaker...

 

[Spurrific]

As in they're all inside forwards, they all play in the same position and are alike.

Not really sure who else you can compare him with, hes definitely no playmaker...

Maybe a worse version of Pedro?

 

[Shadydan]

Maybe a worse version of Pedro?

Right...

 

[Dharmabum]

To all my replies I just wanted to state I do understand Son and Coutinho are slightly different players. I was looking at them in a very basic lenses as attacking players who operate primarily from the left. Just as an overall highlight to show Son is a very productive attacking player.

That said I do take umbrage with people calling Coutinho a playmaker. He's not that, and if he is then he's relatively poor compared to his peers in this league. He's a dribble and shoot type of attacking midfielder he's not much of a creative force.

I presume dribbling and shooting normally comes under "creative force".... unless she shoots like Freund (the best footballer who can't kick a ball) and dibble liks Vega.
When I have seen Liverpool play, lots of play do go through Coutinho and often when playing against Spurs he does pose a lots of threats with his passes and creating space with his dribbling skills.