Standard Liege/ENIC

[AlToran]

Ah but according to UEFA they're named RasenBallsport Leipzig and FC Salzburg. So of course they're no connection with each other

Rasenballsport isn't even a real word, it translates as grass ball sport and neither football nor any other game was ever called that before Red Bull invented it so they could call the club RB.

I'm not sure the Red Bull situation is applicable to anyone else. RB Leipzig aren't controlled directly by Red Bull due to the 50+1 rule. They're technically a membership association that happens to be funded by Red Bull. It's just that all the members are Red Bull employees. That's how they get around UEFA dual ownership restrictions.

There are plenty of other people who own multiple Football clubs, such as City and the Watford owners. Not sure any of them own two clubs that regularly qualify for Europe.

 

[Locotoro]

What are the loan restrictions between foreign clubs? I understand for over 22year olds it's currently a maximum of 8 (in and out) but potentially how many under 21 players could we loan to them in one season?

 

[Zaphod]

Isn’t the Benelux league going to be created soon (I think that’s what it’s called, a league consisting of teams from Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg )? A good time to pick up a team that’s going to be part of a bigger league than the one they are in already.

 

[chrissivad]

What are the loan restrictions between foreign clubs? I understand for over 22year olds it's currently a maximum of 8 (in and out) but potentially how many under 21 players could we loan to them in one season?

There isn't a limit.

 

[worcestersauce]

I thought no company could buy two different football clubs. Isn't that why ENIC sold all it's shares in Glasgow Rangers (and Partizan Belgrade...?) when they bought us from Alan Sugar back in 2001?

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What about the RB's? Pretty sure Man City have interests elsewhere too.
Here's a thought, what if young players from around the world who wouldn't be allowed into this country until they are internationals or are a certain standard are able to go Liege then we have a reasonable opportunity of first dibs.

 

[Trix]

I'm not sure the Red Bull situation is applicable to anyone else. RB Leipzig aren't controlled directly by Red Bull due to the 50+1 rule. They're technically a membership association that happens to be funded by Red Bull. It's just that all the members are Red Bull employees. That's how they get around UEFA dual ownership restrictions.

There are plenty of other people who own multiple Football clubs, such as City and the Watford owners. Not sure any of them own two clubs that regularly qualify for Europe.

Unless things changed over the last couple of years, RB Leipzig is the only club in the Bundesliga that are not owned 50+1 by the fans.

 

[SUIYHA]

It will be just like Man City and their group of companies/clubs.

They do it so they can buy a player, loan him out to one of their clubs, his price then rises after good performances and they sell him for a higher fee. They did it in the summer with a few players who had never even pulled on a city jersey.

It helps them get round FFP as the sale goes on their balance sheet and they can then spend more on players.

Look at the departures on here to see what they’re up to. Shouldn’t be allowed.

Manchester City - Transfers 23/24

Transfers: Overview of all signed and sold players of club Man City for the current season.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Remember Iago Falque anyone? People used him as a stick to beat our management with - a flop signing, crap player etc. I actually think his signing was quite successful in a different sort of way that perhaps this partnership will enable us to do more of. He was a skilful young player in Spain that had some potential but probably wasn't ever going to make it in our first team, but we had the option to sign him on the cheap for about £1m. We brought him in, loaned him out to a couple of clubs to get him some exposure and helped him to develop, then sold him on for around £4m (4x profit) with him barely even wearing a Spurs shirt. Small scale profits but actually quite smart business when you think about it.

City and Chelsea have been doing this for ages - hoover up as much young talent as you can find and then loan them out to other teams to see if they develop. If they turn out to be any good - great, a ready made superstar comes back into your squad. If not, at least they'll have had some first team football and a bit more exposure to other clubs scouting networks and/or YouTube compilations that mean you can sell them on for a profit anyway and use the money to re-invest into other players.

 

[fecka]

Unless things changed over the last couple of years, RB Leipzig is the only club in the Bundesliga that are not owned 50+1 by the fans.

As someone stated earlier, they are and they aren't. The fans just "happen" to be Red Bull employees. It's also the reason why RB Leipzig is called RasenBallsport Leipzig, as they're not allowed to have a company in their name due to Bundesliga rules.

 

[spursfan77]

Remember Iago Falque anyone? People used him as a stick to beat our management with - a flop signing, crap player etc. I actually think his signing was quite successful in a different sort of way that perhaps this partnership will enable us to do more of. He was a skilful young player in Spain that had some potential but probably wasn't ever going to make it in our first team, but we had the option to sign him on the cheap for about £1m. We brought him in, loaned him out to a couple of clubs to get him some exposure and helped him to develop, then sold him on for around £4m (4x profit) with him barely even wearing a Spurs shirt. Small scale profits but actually quite smart business when you think about it.

City and Chelsea have been doing this for ages - hoover up as much young talent as you can find and then loan them out to other teams to see if they develop. If they turn out to be any good - great, a ready made superstar comes back into your squad. If not, at least they'll have had some first team football and a bit more exposure to other clubs scouting networks and/or YouTube compilations that mean you can sell them on for a profit anyway and use the money to re-invest into other players.

Yep. Man City have spent nearly £20m doing this with kids from South America over the last few years. Obviously we cant do it on that scale but we can do similar.

 

[Locotoro]

I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to go after a team in the Scottish League as a feeder club as that would be an easier transition from England for loan players and perhaps easier avenue to European football and increased revenue

 

[parj]

I think this could be great for us. Loan youngsters out and see how they do. Personally, I would love to see how Troy Parrott does there, as well as other youngsters that have made the pitch in pre-season

 

[gio747]

There are plenty of other people who own multiple Football clubs, such as City and the Watford owners. Not sure any of them own two clubs that regularly qualify for Europe.

Ahh so that explains why we’re getting progressively worse. It’s a strategy to ensure we don’t qualify for Europe!

 

[fridgemagnet]

ENIC had to sell up their shares in a Slavia Prague back when we were in the UEFA cup in Jol's tenure IIRC could been coinky dink but I thought it was due to both clubs entering same competition (S.P made it to the Uefa cup for first time in years)

 

[Marty]

Unless things changed over the last couple of years, RB Leipzig is the only club in the Bundesliga that are not owned 50+1 by the fans.

Not actually true, three other clubs are exempt from the rule.

Leverkusen is owned by the Bayer corporation and was originally the factory team
Wolfsburg is owned by the Volkswagen corporation and was originally the factory team

Hoffenheim is the more controversial one because they've actually been openly bankrolled by a 96% owner, Dietmar Hopp, to win promotion from the regional leagues and stay in the Bundesliga. I'm not entirely sure how he's got around that.

 

[Marty]

Isn’t the Benelux league going to be created soon (I think that’s what it’s called, a league consisting of teams from Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg )? A good time to pick up a team that’s going to be part of a bigger league than the one they are in already.

It's definitely on the table. The Belgian top flight clubs voted in favour of it earlier this year, but I can't find any information about how the Dutch clubs view it and there isn't an official proposal on the table until the Dutch have a vote or decide by other means that they're in favour of it.

 

[Matthew]

That's the end of any ambitions Standard Liege had then with 20 years in the doldrums.

the banners are already out.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

the banners are already out.

I might seem a little nieve here but is that actually a banner they have put up or one you have superimposed. If they have it says a lot about what people think of our ownership around the World.

 

[Matthew]

I might seem a little nieve here but is that actually a banner they have put up or one you have superimposed. If they have it says a lot about what people think of our ownership around the World.

no, its something i mocked up for the "lols".

 

[Swalien]

Maybe the plan is for Spurs to be the feeder club for Standard, that could be why they are turning us into a club who finish mid table and don’t qualify for Europe.

 

[alexis]

Any new murmurs on this