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  • Spurs to Win

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rez9000

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I hope I'm not out of line with this, but happy to be guided by Mods.

Clive Tyldesley posted this yesterday on his Twitter account:



He calls for direct action by fans and I think he's right to do so. He says that fans should contact the relevant football governing bodies to register their opposition to the handball rules.

So, if anyone wants to do that, I have some email addresses that you can use. Before that, I just want to say, please, please, please do not be abusive in any emails you send. 1) You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. 2) Even putting aside the obvious moral issues, just looking at it logically - abuse can be easily dismissed, whereas a calm, measured and polite view cannot be ignored quite as easily. Additionally, any emails one sends are unlikely to be read by the individuals directly; they will be read and precis'd for them by private secretaries (I know, I've worked for an executive in the past in that very capacity), so abuse will likely upset someone who is just trying to do their job.

So, some addresses for you:

The Department for Culture, Media and Sport: [email protected].

Richard Masters, Chief Executive of the Premier League: [email protected]

Now, onto IFAB. The IFAB board is made up of representatives from FIFA, the English FA, the Scottish FA, the Welsh FA and the Irish FA. These are the addresses for their Chief Executives (and in the case of FIFA, the President)

Chief Executive of the English FA: Mark Bullingham: [email protected]

Chief Executive of the Scottish FA, Ian Maxwell: [email protected]

Chief Executive of the Welsh FA, Jonathan Ford: [email protected]

Chief Executive of the Irish FA, David Martin: [email protected]

President of FIFA, Gianni Infantino: [email protected]

I was unable to find an email address for Mike Riley at the PGMOL - if anyone has one, then do please let me know and I'll edit this post accordingly.

A few tips for writing your email of complaint:
  • Be polite - obvious as detailed above;
  • If you can say something good about the organisation before you express your disappointment, do so - again obvious, but it can get people onside before you express your view. I fully acknowledge that it's not the easiest thing to do, but it can help;
  • Stick to the facts - OK, we're talking about something subjective, but logic and fact are far more powerful weapons in an argument than only opinion - if you can offer some undeniable facts, that's always useful;
  • Don't use threats - can't stress this enough. Not just for the moral implications, not just for the damage it does to the argument, but for oneself. Threatening someone is a crime under UK law and you can be prosecuted. Just don't. It's wrong and it isn't worth it;
  • Shorter is better. Keep the information concise and to the point.
  • Do not accept being passed back to "customer services" (or whatever the equivalent is for those organisations), unless it's a named person who directly promises a follow-up. And if they don't then follow-up, ping the executive again to state that you got no follow-up;
  • Explain clearly what you want as a solution or outcome;
Here's a template you can use, but do feel free to adjust it as much as you like to convey your own point of view:

Dear Mr. (person),

If you can put in some form of compliment about their organisation here, that's helpful. Obviously, this may be difficult, but it's worth making the attempt.

I'm writing to you to express my dismay at the implementation of the handball rules in the Premier League this season.

I understand the objective of governing bodies to have clear and well-codified rules for the game. Well-codified rules assist in decision-making and can ensure fairness.

However, I believe that the latest implementation of the rules governing handball fall outside of what one would consider the spirit of the game. In particular, the incidents that occurred in the Premier League matches between Crystal Palace and Everton on the 26th September 2020 and Tottenham Hotspur and Newcastle United on the 27th suggest a serious fault in the rules.

The decision by Peter Bankes (the game official in the latter match) to award a penalty on the basis that the ball struck the arm of a player whose back was to the ball, to my mind, falls far outside what the rules of handball are supposed to do, i.e. to prevent a player from handling the ball to his/her team's advantage. If a player cannot see the ball, there cannot be deemed to be any intent to gain an unfair advantage, which is what the rules of any sport are supposed to govern.

The usage of body position / body shape is not a strong basis on which to draw these kinds of conclusions, mainly for the fact that in a game of football, arms and hands may not be used to direct the ball, but they are used to direct the human beings playing the ball. Persisting with the rules as they are currently implemented will only lead to undesired outcomes.

Professionals and former professionals within the game are stating that they envisage situations in which players will deliberately play the ball into their opponents arms and hands in the penalty area as an easy way to gain an advantage.

The new rules have very few defenders and many detractors: Jamie Carragher (former Liverpool and England defender), Micah Richards (former Manchester City, and England right-back) have spoken forcefully on the subject in starkly negative terms. Journalists within the sport have likewise done so. Social media commentators have done so. The governing bodies appear to be on the wrong side of the argument in this regard.

What I would like to see done is

At this point you should adjust your email to suit the role the person you're writing to performs.
  • DCMS may not be able to do very much, but they do have some influence over the FA and can ask questions of them. So if you write to DCMS, you could state your disappointment and ask them to question the FA as to what they're doing about the rule and how they intend to address the obvious flaws;
  • Richard Masters, as CEO of the Premier League, can influence the way the PL implements the handball rules and call for them to be reviewed immediately;
  • The CEOs of the relevant FAs as well as the President of FIFA can firstly review the handball rules and can also raise the issue at the IFAB board and press for them to be changed;
Many thanks in advance for your time (or however, you like to sign off an email)

Your name here

You can also Tweet them, for those of you on Twitter, comment on their Facebook pages, etc, etc.

How much use it will be, I can't say. For all we know it will fall on deaf ears and is a waste of time. I don't know. I wrote this so that anyone who does feel the desire to express their opinion in the direction of those responsible for what's happening has some tools in order to do so.
 

cjbyid

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Jan 4, 2009
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Feels like a loss today. So sickening still.

But the games are coming thick and fast now, we played really well yesterday some very promising signs. I'm looking forward to getting past our ridiculous schedule this week and seeing what we can do with a more settled 11.

Hopefully Bale can add that xfactor to finish chances off and Harry too once he starts scoring more regularly.
 

stormfly

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Tbh though, Bruce said it wasn’t a pen but he was still happy for them to score it. The problem could be solved by all the clubs getting together and agreeing that any ridiculous pen decision gets sorted by the manager telling his team to miss it on purpose. You would be relying on a lot of integrity so would probably never happen but would send a far greater message and would solve this whole problem right now.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Tbh though, Bruce said it wasn’t a pen but he was still happy for them to score it. The problem could be solved by all the clubs getting together and agreeing that any ridiculous pen decision gets sorted by the manager telling his team to miss it on purpose. You would be relying on a lot of integrity so would probably never happen but would send a far greater message and would solve this whole problem right now.

Just wouldn't happen, you'd then have arguments as to what really is ridiculous and what's not, and now that we've lost points to it we should feel we have every right to gain points from it if it happens to happen in our favour. As wrong as it still is.
 
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Who’s our next manager?

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Tbh though, Bruce said it wasn’t a pen but he was still happy for them to score it. The problem could be solved by all the clubs getting together and agreeing that any ridiculous pen decision gets sorted by the manager telling his team to miss it on purpose. You would be relying on a lot of integrity so would probably never happen but would send a far greater message and would solve this whole problem right now.

If they did that they’d be sacked
 

hutchiniho

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Mar 19, 2006
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I think teams will need to be a little more streetwise now. It is almost inevitable that a handball penalty will happen in a game now. It is our responsibility to make sure those moments don’t change the outcome of the game. We did this against Southampton but obviously not yesterday.
Sure the freekick give away was appalling and the handball rule is just dumb at the moment, but if we were more clinical it wouldn’t have mattered.
This now has to be the mentality, senseless penalty awards will keep happening. Shouldn’t but they will :-/

Im still More cross about the the double ricochet up onto Doherty’s arm. he had absolutely no chance with that one. That was less profile because it obviously didn’t change the result.

I too was pleased to see us actually creating chances yesterday though. That bodes well for the future. Big improvement on the Everton game
 

JCRD

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Tbh though, Bruce said it wasn’t a pen but he was still happy for them to score it. The problem could be solved by all the clubs getting together and agreeing that any ridiculous pen decision gets sorted by the manager telling his team to miss it on purpose. You would be relying on a lot of integrity so would probably never happen but would send a far greater message and would solve this whole problem right now.

That will solve nothing. There have been penalties given to us in the past where you think it wasnt deserved - do we also miss those?

The rules are silly and stupid but we have to play to them for now.
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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Tbh though, Bruce said it wasn’t a pen but he was still happy for them to score it. The problem could be solved by all the clubs getting together and agreeing that any ridiculous pen decision gets sorted by the manager telling his team to miss it on purpose. You would be relying on a lot of integrity so would probably never happen but would send a far greater message and would solve this whole problem right now.

Then who decides if it's a ridiculous decision or not? Imagine the outrage if Jose decides it is, the players, the fans don't agree etc, it would be carnage.
 

RikkiRocket

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Jul 21, 2015
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Nah not for me. 1-0 is a winning score line. We were fucked over by the system not the other team. We 100% in no way shape or form 'deserved' to draw that game.

I wonder how many times we have won 1-0 in say last 5 years. I’d wager it’s not a lot.
 

stormfly

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Then who decides if it's a ridiculous decision or not? Imagine the outrage if Jose decides it is, the players, the fans don't agree etc, it would be carnage.

I think the general rule should be that if it’s against us it’s a ridiculous decision and if it’s for us it’s fine.
 

RikkiRocket

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Jul 21, 2015
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Not sure what its worth but it happens:

19/20: 1x
18/19: 10x
17/18: 6x
16/17: 5x
15/16: 4x

Last year says it all. We just aren’t a 1-0 team. I have no problem with that. I love our philosophy, but as a club we gen need a two (at least) cushion.
 

Grapo2001

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I'm still irrationally annoyed about yesterday. We have been screwed over so many times, including the CL final but this has really annoyed me. I'm not sure why either, we didn't even lose the game. I actually couldn't give an F about the game against Chelsea tomorrow now. I'm in full sulk mode until we inevitably get screwed over again against United #/Hank.
 

Pistols At Dawn

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Let's not forget there was an idiotic handball call against us in the Southampton game as well -- ball ricocheted off PEH's foot harmlessly into Doherty's arm -- which resulted in a PK goal. Efan Ekoku on NBC called it "a ridiculous decision." But nobody cared since we went on to win 5-2.

That's two out of three games already this season we've had foolish handball calls against us.
 

MotspurHotspur

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Sep 1, 2020
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I think teams will need to be a little more streetwise now. It is almost inevitable that a handball penalty will happen in a game now. It is our responsibility to make sure those moments don’t change the outcome of the game. We did this against Southampton but obviously not yesterday.
Sure the freekick give away was appalling and the handball rule is just dumb at the moment, but if we were more clinical it wouldn’t have mattered.
This now has to be the mentality, senseless penalty awards will keep happening. Shouldn’t but they will :-/

Im still More cross about the the double ricochet up onto Doherty’s arm. he had absolutely no chance with that one. That was less profile because it obviously didn’t change the result.

I too was pleased to see us actually creating chances yesterday though. That bodes well for the future. Big improvement on the Everton game

I think not defending free kicks in your own box will be a start, hold a higher line and drop to edge of box. After all with VAR if an attacker is 1mm over he is offside so if any run isn't perfect chances are it will be disallowed.
 

Shadydan

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I think not defending free kicks in your own box will be a start, hold a higher line and drop to edge of box. After all with VAR if an attacker is 1mm over he is offside so if any run isn't perfect chances are it will be disallowed.

That's a good point although your defensive line will almost inevitably fall back when the ball is in the air.

It does raise an interesting point though, will teams with target men start playing for free kicks around the edge of the area, if I was a manager I'd be all over that.
 
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