Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[bigfrooj]

There’s was a moment where Doherty made a splendid block holding his arms behind his back but decided to half-turn his back on it. The ball actually hit his arm but we got away with it.
No Irish jokes, I still can’t laugh about this ridiculous game.

 

[tiger666]

There’s was a moment where Doherty made a splendid block holding his arms behind his back but decided to half-turn his back on it. The ball actually hit his arm but we got away with it.
No Irish jokes, I still can’t laugh about this ridiculous game.

Doesn't matter if the ball hits his arms in that case as it's in line with the silhouette or however they describe it. Now every defender is at risk when they're moving, running, jumping or whatever. Absolute nonsense rule and nothing will happen until at least March so the season could effectively be ruined.

 

[easley91]

Carragher even said himself in commentary that he used to hate defenders blocking with arms behind their backs, but now they kind of have to otherwise it's likely a penalty.

 

[thebenjamin]

I don't think it would take too much to make this work.

VAR continues as is. If it picks up a potential handball, then the ref looks at it. All he needs to decide is is there intent or could he have avoided the handball(shots from range) if no intent/time to react then no pen.

It's not difficult surely, and at least common sense comes back into the game.

Make accidental handball an indirect free kick inside the box, deliberate handball is a penalty.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

People do know it's ok to win a game 1-0 right?

 

[Waiwonder]

I don't think it would take too much to make this work.

VAR continues as is. If it picks up a potential handball, then the ref looks at it. All he needs to decide is is there intent or could he have avoided the handball(shots from range) if no intent/time to react then no pen.

It's not difficult surely, and at least common sense comes back into the game.

Absolutely agree with this.

When it's clear as daylight, it seems the only people who can't seem to distinguish between accidental and deliberate are referees.

 

[Donki]

The handball is a cop out in my opinion, we should have ruined Newcastle in the first half, only ourselves to blame. We simply don't take our chances efficiently enough, we have chances against Everton also and failed.

 

[Donki]

People do know it's ok to win a game 1-0 right?

Of course it is, but not without context, Newcastle were wank, we missed big chances.

23 shots on target, 12 on target and 10 corners all resulting in 1 goal... not good enough.

 

[hughy]

The handball is a cop out in my opinion, we should have ruined Newcastle in the first half, only ourselves to blame. We simply don't take our chances efficiently enough, we have chances against Everton also and failed.

Bullshit.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The handball is a cop out in my opinion, we should have ruined Newcastle in the first half, only ourselves to blame. We simply don't take our chances efficiently enough, we have chances against Everton also and failed.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying, because we failed to take our chances, we shouldn't complain about the decision that cost us or how it's ruining football? Have I got that wrong? Apologies if so, i'm fairly certain the majority on here recognise that missed chances cost us but I don't see how complaining about that decision is a cop out.

 

[Donki]

Bullshit.

So 23 shots on target, 12 on target and 10 corners all resulting in 1 goal is good enough, I am not saying the decision wasn't bullshit it was, what I am saying the decision shouldn't of mattered. We all know anything can happen in football, look at United v West Brom, put the game out of sight when we can, we have all benefited from a shit decision so I don't see why we cry when one goes against us.

 

[Donki]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying, because we failed to take our chances, we shouldn't complain about the decision that cost us or how it's ruining football? Have I got that wrong? Apologies if so, i'm fairly certain the majority on here recognise that missed chances cost us but I don't see how complaining about that decision is a cop out.

Have we benefited from a shit reffing decision in the past? The "handball" against Laporte springs immediately to mind last season. Yes, I don't get why were raging about something that's been happening in football since it began. I haven't said "complaining about that decision is a cop out", I am saying blaming it solely for the draw is a cop out.

 

[hughy]

So 23 shots on target, 12 on target and 10 corners all resulting in 1 goal is good enough, I am not saying the decision wasn't bullshit it was, what I am saying the decision shouldn't of mattered. We all know anything can happen in football, look at United v West Brom, put the game out of sight when we can, we have all benefited from a shit decision so I don't see why we cry when one goes against us.

It's completely irrelevant.

I'd 100% agree with you had Newcastle scored a fair goal. Even if it had bounced in off Carroll's hairy Geordie arse and we'd lost two point that way, then we can blame the team for not putting the game to bed. However, we absolutely deserved the three points and they were inexplicably robbed from us. Teams have been winning games 1-0 for centuries. We have every right to win a game 1-0 if necessary. I really don't understand how we can blame the team AT ALL for us not getting the three points.

 

[Donki]

It's completely irrelevant.

I'd 100% agree with you had Newcastle scored a fair goal. Even if it had bounced in off Carroll's hairy Geordie arse and we'd lost two point that way, then we can blame the team for not putting the game to bed. However, we absolutely deserved the three points and they were inexplicably robbed from us. Teams have been winning games 1-0 for centuries. We have every right to win a game 1-0 if necessary. I really don't understand how we can blame the team AT ALL for us not getting the three points.

I guess its how you see the game, again we have benefited from shit reffing decisions in the past, and have won games the opposition had "have every right to win". You say the team should take no blame, we played very well first half, some of the best stuff I have seen under Jose, but believe me we will be pretty pissed off it was only 1-0 at half time. I don't see the need to make an argument out of a debate by the way, were all Spurs fans here and all want us to do well.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Carroll is an excellent header of the ball. Look how close he was to Dier. Look at where his team mates were.
Look at the downward angle of the header. I’m beginning to think he did it deliberately.

 

[Donki]

Carroll is an excellent header of the ball. Look how close he was to Dier. Look at where his team mates were.
Look at the downward angle of the header. I’m beginning to think he did it deliberately.

I doubt if Andy gets out of be deliberately.

 

[philll]

I’m still raging

I don't know if I'm more pissed off about the non-handball or the non-foul that led to it. Joelinton literally dived into
Højbjerg, it's absolutely shocking that that was given in the first place. I'm generally sympathetic towards the officials because they're just doing what they've been told to do (there doesn't seem to be any room for common sense) but that a horrendously bad call. I wouldn't be surprised if that ref that none of us had ever seen before disappears back down to the Championship for a while.

When the situation is so potentially controversial, VAR should wind it back another 10 seconds and have a quick look at the circumstances surrounding the freekick*.

* I know full well that this is a slippery slope and will never happen but the decision was that fucking bad, it warrants it imo.

 

[Kingellesar]

We should have scored more, no doubt but it annoys me when people use that as an excuse. As much as we expect strikers to score, we should expect our defenders to keep clean sheets. It's a team effort, we aren't in the days of Redknapp where we have to rely on scoring more than the opposition.

Mourinho loves a clean sheet, unfortunately our defence doesn't but yesterday they deserved one because they dealt with the little thread they had.

The biggest thing I take from the opening games this season.....it's going to be rare for teams to get a clean sheet now as VAR/New rulings are built towards high scoring games due to the fact referees feel its vital to award 5 penalties a game. Going to be a long frustrating season if they don't change anything (which they won't). Just have to hope other teams get around us done like us and Palace did this weekend.

 

[tiger666]

Really not sure what PEH is supposed to do here, Joelinton knocks him flying.

 

[ebzrascal]

So we deserve to drop 2 points because we were only good enough to win 1-0 instead of thrashing them?

You should go away and look at how many times every PL title winning team has dominated a game but only won by a 1 goal margin. By your logic, they deserved to have 2 points deducted on each occasion and therefore didn't deserve their league trophies. Or is it only Spurs who your logic applies to?

As I've already said, if we'd made a mistake to let Newcastle back into the game, your accusations of us not making the most of our possession and chances would be fair. That does didn't happen though...a stupid rule that makes no sense ruined the game and even Newcastle's manager thought it was a disgrace.

Losing the will to live with some of the people on this site.. basically twisting my words. For those with low intellectual capability. I said we should have out the game to bed and not be vulnerable to a refereeing or defensive error late in the game..