Spurs already listening to offers for Emerson Royal less than year after transfer after erratic displays

[carpediem991]

If there are offers its best to part ways. We need to bring in a RWB for Contes system and right now Doherty is winning the race for being the option that stays. Also Royal should attract more suitors and a higher fee.
We need to be ruthless in the market and demand a certain quality.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Maybe. Doherty was playing in the Championship at the same age and had 2 assists in 33 games.

then? doesn't change the fact that Emerson is currently not good enough, and we need quality NOW to compete

 

[Chedozie]

Royal is not a RWB and I have no doubt that he'd thrive at another club as a RB. The unfair thing is plugging him into a system that doesn't suit his abilities and then hoping he can adjust. Sounds familiar? Look at how Doherty fared when he was deployed as a RB for us. He stunk up the place. Like you said, Doherty is 30 and has years of experience playing as a RWB, why couldn't he have just adjusted to the RB position when Mourinho or Nuno were here? Clearly age isn't the determining factor here.

But experience is a contributing factor and Royal doesn’t have any.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Does anyone honestly think Royal can do what Doherty has done in the last 2 premier league games in terms of scoring and assisting?

Yes because I didn't think Doherty was remotely capable of it

 

[E17yid]

Doherty is now showing the same form that convinced us to buy him from Wolves. Go ahead and pull up footage of Emerson Royal at Betis and share with us any footage that indicates Royal can do what Doherty has done these past 2 league games. I'll wait.

Irrelevant imo. He’s been dog shit since he’s been with us, so bad he didn’t look like a professional football player. He wouldn’t exactly be the first person who showed form at one club and no form for another so your argument is not a good one imo.

At the end of the day Doherty hasn’t looked anywhere near the levels he’s shown last couple of games, not even close. Now he’s turned it around though I would say we should perhaps hold off cracking open the champers until he shows it on a more consistent basis.

 

[slartibartfast]

Yes because I didn't think Doherty was remotely capable of it

But Doherty is now playing in his natural position.
Emerson isnt and we haven't got time to wait.
Doherty was playing in a system that didn't suit him, surounded by shite and even after Conte came in when he did show a half decent performance he was slung out out on the left the next match.
Doherty is still not the answer for our first 11 imo but can be a squad player. We need youth and speed.
Emerson is not good enough and needs to be sold asap.

 

[Japhet]

We've been told that Conte wants to push hard next season and use the Summer window to prepare for that. There's no point having a player who can't adapt to his system and he'll want a proper WB. Conte doesn't hang around waiting for players to come good and has surely seen enough of Emerson by now.

 

[Gareth88]

then? doesn't change the fact that Emerson is currently not good enough, and we need quality NOW to compete

So lets put him out on loan?

 

[hughy]

Yes because I didn't think Doherty was remotely capable of it

Yes and no. Has Doherty really been given a fair chance/run of games as a RWB under a manager who actually believes in him until now? Under Nuno at Wolves he excelled because he was playing in his preferred position, high on confidence, and managed to forge good relationships with players. I'm not going to claim he will become a world-beater now, but now he's had 4 or 5 starts on the spin in his natural position with intelligent players around him, he's certainly looking more like the player we signed from Wolves.

I would say he was always capable of it. Whereas Emerson, in my opinion, isn't.

 

[kaz Hirai]

But Doherty is now playing in his natural position.
Emerson isnt and we haven't got time to wait.
Doherty was playing in a system that didn't suit him, surounded by shite and even after Conte came in when he did show a half decent performance he was slung out out on the left the next match.
Doherty is still not the answer for our first 11 imo but can be a squad player. We need youth and speed.
Emerson is not good enough and needs to be sold asap.

i will say im already having cold sweats of Doherty having to do alot more defensive work against ronaldo, sancho etc

 

[Japhet]

i will say im already having cold sweats of Doherty having to do alot more defensive work against ronaldo, sancho etc

I think Conte was well aware of this when he subbed Romero off v Everton.

 

[Springerding]

No massive surprise, he is a RB that was bought for Nuno, he does not fit Conte's system.

This is the problem when you change managers every two minutes who bring a different formation with them, instead of changing managers who have different systems to the previous we should look to bring in managers who play the same system as the outgoing manager and we will start to build an identity, this is us, this is how we play.
For instance, if you replace Poch with Mourinho you should know that half the players are going to be uncomfortable playing roles they are not best suited to and a rebuild will be needed, you cant just go from we play front footed attacking football to we now play defensive football and expect the players who thrived in one system will thrive in the other, it just does not work that way.

 

[Dennism]

He has been poor since moving to us and should move on. Mind you, I said the same about Doherty and he was brilliant against Everton. Ultimately with Doherty it will come down to whether he can now perform consistently.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Bentancur and Kulusevski are the only players bought for Conte... the rest of the squad were bought for Nuno, Mourinho or Poch... so there will be mistakes and misfits... I don't know if Emerson can adapt to Conte's system... all I know is that Conte is honest and gets the best out of players who are willing to work hard and learn from him... so if it doesn't work out... find another solution quickly.

That's why Dele, Tanguy and Lo Celso got the boot from Conte.

 

[EQP]

Irrelevant imo. He’s been dog shit since he’s been with us, so bad he didn’t look like a professional football player. He wouldn’t exactly be the first person who showed form at one club and no form for another so your argument is not a good one imo.

At the end of the day Doherty hasn’t looked anywhere near the levels he’s shown last couple of games, not even close. Now he’s turned it around though I would say we should perhaps hold off cracking open the champers until he shows it on a more consistent basis.

My argument is solid. I simply asked you to provide me with proof that Royal can do what Doherty has done these in the last 2 games. I don't disagree that Dohery has struggled to adapt but we can be honest and point to the fact that he was being played by RB (not his favored position) when he's always thrived as RWB (his favored position) .

Now apply the same approach to Emerson. He's not a RWB (not his favored position)and certainly not a marauding RB, his strengths are suited to being a defensive RB (his favored position)similar to Wan Bissaka. Should we toil and wait for Emerson to "hopefully" adapt to Contes system?No. We've tried that already with Doherty, went through 3 managers before Conte was able to get wrangle some semblance of an professional football player out of Matt. Honestly, I'd rather not to go through the same experiment with Royal.

 

[Gareth88]

My argument is solid. I simply asked you to provide me with proof that Royal can do what Doherty has done these in the last 2 games. I don't disagree that Dohery has struggled to adapt but we can be honest and point to the fact that he was being played by RB (not his favored position) when he's always thrived as RWB (his favored position) .

Now apply the same approach to Emerson. He's not a RWB (not his favored position)and certainly not a marauding RB, his strengths are suited to being a defensive RB (his favored position)similar to Wan Bissaka. Should we toil and wait for Emerson to "hopefully" adapt to Contes system?No. We've tried that already with Doherty, went through 3 managers before Conte was able to get wrangle some semblance of an professional football player out of Matt. Honestly, I'd rather not to go through the same experiment with Royal.

We loan him out, Conte leaves after another season or two and he comes back a more rounded player?

 

[E17yid]

My argument is solid. I simply asked you to provide me with proof that Royal can do what Doherty has done these in the last 2 games. I don't disagree that Dohery has struggled to adapt but we can be honest and point to the fact that he was being played by RB (not his favored position) when he's always thrived as RWB (his favored position) .

Now apply the same approach to Emerson. He's not a RWB (not his favored position)and certainly not a marauding RB, his strengths are suited to being a defensive RB (his favored position)similar to Wan Bissaka. Should we toil and wait for Emerson to "hopefully" adapt to Contes system?No. We've tried that already with Doherty, went through 3 managers before Conte was able to get wrangle some semblance of an professional football player out of Matt. Honestly, I'd rather not to go through the same experiment with Royal.

Your initial question was something like “does anyone think Royal can do what Doherty has done in the last few games”

I just made the simple point that no one, literally no one, rated Doherty as a championship standard football player a few weeks ago so we can forget about the RWB v RB bollocks. Who on here, or in real life, do you know that was saying “Doherty is a brilliant footballer, he just needs to play at RWB”

If you concede that everyone wrote him off then it’s a bit silly to rule out the possibility of Royal turning it around, especially when the latter is a lot younger and has no prem experience.

And even if I agreed with you about the whole position thing, for all we know Conte is gone in half a year and we get another manager in who plays Royal in a system that’s more favourable to his strengths.

Having said all that I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we sold both this summer to be honest.

 

[EQP]

But Doherty is now playing in his natural position.
Emerson isnt and we haven't got time to wait.
Doherty was playing in a system that didn't suit him, surounded by shite and even after Conte came in when he did show a half decent performance he was slung out out on the left the next match.
Doherty is still not the answer for our first 11 imo but can be a squad player. We need youth and speed.
Emerson is not good enough and needs to be sold asap.

Unequivocally this. Royal just doesn't fit Contes system. Doesn't mean he can't make a career elsewhere and thrive. We've seen how "ruthless" Conte can be with players who don't fit his system. I mean we loaned out and will be looking to move on 3 players (GLC, Tanguy, Dele) who are more talented , technically gifted and have more experience than Royal because they didn't fit the system. Why are we now under the impression a struggling Royal will be the exception?

 

[E17yid]

Also, I seem to remember Doherty playing as a RWB and stinking the place out. He’s had 2 decent games. People are getting far too ahead of themselves.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

So lets put him out on loan?

if we have an unlimited budget like citeh, then yes