Some more from me ...

[dvdhopeful]

For those shouting about freedom of speech and not being censored, what happens in a situation where because of constant questioning of his information, the "itk" then says, "Whats the point? If whenever I pass info on I'm just getting constant whinging about it" and packs up his stuff and leaves? You haven't been censored, you've been able to say what you want, but because of it we no longer have the goats info and the people who can keep their mouths shut and treat "itk" info the way it's supposed to be treated now no longer have an "itk" on the board they must frequent?

Edit: I wouldn't be against the idea Rob, but you should be ready for a shit storm if it does happen. It still utterly baffles me that people can't refrain from posting. Why is it necessary to post anything that could be seen in anyway as negative? Why? If you dont trust yourself or you think the info that is being given is so pointless, dont read it, there is nothing complicated about it.

 

[xtrac]

The compromise we've been thinking about is making the transfer/ITK forum permission based and so anyone who can't help themselves from being rude just won't have permission to read the forum and the "worthless gossip" inside and they won't get banned for it.

I'm not sure if that works but if people don't have the willpower to ignore threads and not comment I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Thoughts?

Rob, just make it a ITK sticky READ ONLY, so people cant post, or only those that are allowed can post.

 

[Legend10]

The compromise we've been thinking about is making the transfer/ITK forum permission based and so anyone who can't help themselves from being rude just won't have permission to read the forum and the "worthless gossip" inside and they won't get banned for it.

I'm not sure if that works but if people don't have the willpower to ignore threads and not comment I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Thoughts?

Firstly not agreeing with you or your mods or not believing that you have any worthwhile contacts doesn't make somebody rude. If you read through the thread with an open mind you will see who the usual rude keyboard warriors are. Its not rude to think that you or your mods don't have a single worthwhile connection between you, its just an opinion and it happens to be my opinion.

Secondly i think that your proposal is a very good idea and I will quite happily have restricted access if you believe that that's the way to go. It would allow me to read what people with insights into football like Yanno, BC and DC amongst others write and prevent me from allowing myself to look at threads with real enlightening ITK in like "We need a leader". My curious nature won't allow me not to look and have a laugh and I don't want to upset the believers so a restriction is the perfect compromise.

 

[Chris12345]

I think you should be able to comment on it whatever your opinion is, you just can't say something as simple as "it's bollocks". I don't see a problem with saying that you think something is too far-fetched or nonsensical, and perhaps explaining why you think that.

Just out of interest, if Kaye/Stoof/NTG had mentioned that they'd spoken to a member of staff while visiting the lodge and they said they thought "4 or 5 players were hard to motivate"... would you have still of responded in the same way?

I imagine it'd of been "Cool, you got to speak to someone at Spurs lodge and they said that?! That's pretty interesting!!!!!!!1111one" :shrug:

But then what do I know?

 

[Chris12345]

"We need a leader"

That wasn't the ITK tho, the ITK was that we are actively seeking one... needing something, and attempting to get it, are too very different things! :roll:

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Its not rude to think that you or your mods don't have a single worthwhile connection between you, its just an opinion and it happens to be my opinion.

So we're liars?

 

[Legend10]

That wasn't the ITK tho, the ITK was that we are actively seeking one... needing something, and attempting to get it, are too very different things! :roll:

I know what the info was fella, but don't feel the need to write it out in full.

 

[van_Pommel]

The compromise we've been thinking about is making the transfer/ITK forum permission based and so anyone who can't help themselves from being rude just won't have permission to read the forum and the "worthless gossip" inside and they won't get banned for it.

I'm not sure if that works but if people don't have the willpower to ignore threads and not comment I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Thoughts?

I'm all for it mate. I cant understand the people who keep slagging them off. It's like being at school when the teacher says you cant go for lunch until everyone is quiet, and there's some twats in the corner who wont shut up.

At the end of the day, if you dont like it, dont read it. I was hoping to come onto this thread to discuss who people think might fit the bill of the 'leader' type we need in midfield. Instead its a load of people arguing about how valid the ITK is, which we will never know anyway.

ITK gives us someting to talk about. So lets appreciate it for what it is, and discuss it as if it is true. Otherwise there's no point posting it in the first place.

 

[Chris12345]

I know what the info was fella, but don't feel the need to write it out in full.

No, you feel the need to change the info completely, because it backs up your point...

Yeah, if an ITK had come out and said "We need a leader", that is not ITK, that is their opinion.

If an ITK comes out and says "We are seeking a leader", that is ITK... (ok, its hardly ground-breaking)

So, by omitting the part that makes it ITK, you are skewing the facts to try and back up your argument!

 

[xtrac]

Legend10, are you a legend in winding up people or talking crap.

Just a thought

Does all this really matter mate, i bet your the first to click and read a new topic with the headline ITK..etc, who gives a shit if its true or not its INFORMATION not a garantee, every club has it on every forum, the transfer window wouldnt be the same without it.

 

[AngerManagement]

The thing with ITK is you should just take it or leave it, if you believe it great, if you want to take it into account without putting much faith in it fair enough, if you want to totally disregard it then do so.

Why abuse someone for posting info on a website? even if it is totally made up who really cares? its no differnt from reading half the made up rumours in the national press.

By all means ask questions, by all means say you doubt the info is true (although why no just ignore the thread it is posted in) but certainly there is no need to beo offensive about the information.

ITKs also should be less sensitive, if people dont believe you does it really matter? some will, some wont, you passed it on as long as people are not abusive I dont see the problem.

IF you info turns out to be off the mark you have to expect it to be brought up at some point, you can either explain there were reasons that the info did not come to pass or admit you were blowing smoke (depending on what the truth is)

Its just an internet forum, there is no need for aggression or personal abuse but I think people need to be thicker skinned then to get their feelings hurt when people say they are lieing.

IF I was ITK and had info to share with the community I would pass it on it good faith and it wouldn't bother me if some people abused me as I would focus on those members of the community who appreciate my passing on said info as surely that was the point of doing it in the first place

 

[Legend10]

So we're liars?

Not calling anybody a liar, and as I said previously you may have access to 1 or 2 people but I just don't believe that they have any real ins or the ear of anybody of actual importance for the reasons I've already stated.

what do you think of the supposed ITK that has been said so far that was released either side of us making the biggest signing in our history?

 

[Dougal]

In an effort to keep this on topic and also promote free speech perhaps some people might want to express there views here?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=30492

 

[eddiebailey]

The compromise we've been thinking about is making the transfer/ITK forum permission based and so anyone who can't help themselves from being rude just won't have permission to read the forum and the "worthless gossip" inside and they won't get banned for it.

I'm not sure if that works but if people don't have the willpower to ignore threads and not comment I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Thoughts?

The Goat relays information, for people to take or to leave. No-one has to comment.

If every time a snippet of ITK is posted, rather than discussing the implications of the information if true, the thread calls into question the veracity of the Goat and degenerates into a balls-achingly tedious wall of spam on the subject of censorship, then I do not see much alternative to the proposed approach.

Freedom of speech is an absolute right and if people want to exercise this right free of the constraints of courtesy and common sense, then I suggest they start up their own message board to enable them to do so. And let the rest of us have a discussion without having to put up with their self-important whining.

 

[Chris12345]

what do you think of the supposed ITK that has been said so far that was released either side of us making the biggest signing in our history?

I think you've answered your own question...

Maybe the club thought it best to only involve the people who absolutely needed to know... i.e. Levy, Comolli, Ramos, Alexander... thus there are no leaks...

However, say I was mates with a player, for arguments sake, Keane... I'm playing golf with him and while we're talking I say "I reckon Kaboul will be better next season" and Keane goes, "Nah Kaboul hasn't settled very well, and he's discussing a move back to Auxere" or something...

That would be legit ITK info... but I wouldn't know anything about our top secret transfer targets!

 

[SpurSince57]

that's fair enough and I respect your opinion on that point and I find it refreshing that you are an individual who has his own mind. Also you've made your points in a way that I believe to be fair and concise rather than appearing to be dictatorial or a spoilt little brat like some do.

I have a very close mate who works with the 1st team at another London based Prem club, last summer he told me on 3 occasions in confidence of imminent signings being made by that club (primarily because he works with the manager on a day to day basis and is invoved in preliminary medicals) and all were signed. that is what i call somebody who is ITK, yet he never says to me over a pint that the club says they need a midfield enforcer or certain players can't be motivated or stuff like somebody doesn't like the city, he would just laugh at that. That isn't ITK its pretty worthless gossip that once in a blue moon will be correct, throw enough shit at the wall and eventually a piece of it will stick.

If the Goat wants some credibility then tell us something of substance, tell us something that somebody with real connections would know.

Tell us what direction we are heading down with the ground and why and what the capacity is going to be etc?

tell us which of the many keepers we are linked with that we are most likely to sign and why?

I'm sure that there is plenty of information not known by people on this board that somebody with real close connections would know, tell us one, but to say we need a leader and it's good to know that the club are thinking the same as us is quite frankly about as weak as weak can be.

This, presumably, is the same bloke who reckoned Jol was lazy? I don't recall anyone asking you to identify your source, let alone suggesting that you were making it up.

Ironic, or what?

 

[SpurSince57]

The compromise we've been thinking about is making the transfer/ITK forum permission based and so anyone who can't help themselves from being rude just won't have permission to read the forum and the "worthless gossip" inside and they won't get banned for it.

I'm not sure if that works but if people don't have the willpower to ignore threads and not comment I'm not sure where that leaves us.

Thoughts?

What about where proven bullshit artists like EduardoSmartez (who seems to have disappeared) and johngeorgiou are concerned? Or Rabbi Crackers, who's a known WUM?

 

[Legend10]

This, presumably, is the same bloke who reckoned Jol was lazy? I don't recall anyone asking you to identify your source, let alone suggesting that you were making it up.

Ironic, or what?

Good memory and you are correct it is.

however he did say that it was the rumour within the game and didn't present it as anymore than that.

 

[tommyt]

The Goat relays information, for people to take or to leave. No-one has to comment.

If every time a snippet of ITK is posted, rather than discussing the implications of the information if true, the thread calls into question the veracity of the Goat and degenerates into a balls-achingly tedious wall of spam on the subject of censorship, then I do not see much alternative to the proposed approach.

Freedom of speech is an absolute right and if people want to exercise this right free of the constraints of courtesy and common sense, then I suggest they start up their own message board to enable them to do so. And let the rest of us have a discussion without having to put up with their self-important whining.

:clap:What eddie said.^^^^^^^^^:clap:


So, midfield enforcer?????? Gattuso??

 

[Mullers]

No new news from the goat then? :shrug: