Sin-bin trial plan recommended for professional games

[Tucker]

Unpopular opinion but I'm massively in favour of it. I'm so fed up of watching games and thinking "that needs to be more than just a yellow card". A sin bin would work brilliantly in football as it's such a dynamic game, and would be an appropriate punishment for those tactical fouls which are used, particularly by the likes of City, to stop opposition momentum and chances before they get going, but which don't meet the threshold for a red card.

I hope people just let the trial happen and let's see where it goes - I see lots of Proper Football Men have come out and declared that it will destroy the game and the game's gone etc - but something does need to be done about this type of behaviour and I don't see anyone else coming up with any good ideas as an alternative.

The alternative to this proposal is that the referees use the existing laws and use the disciplinary methods already at their disposal.

As it stands the “top” refs will often let these kind of professional fouls go unpunished. They’ll also bottle second yellows in big matches.

The dissent issue is similarly treated in an inconsistent manner. Some games a player will get booked for back chat the next game they won’t.

Giving the refs yet another decision to bottle won’t improve the game.

 

[bradfordspur]

From the Telegraph via the BBC

A blue card for a goalkeeper will force teams to choose between putting an outfield player in goal or making a permanent substitution under planned new sin-bin trials.

This proposal might be the death of the game as we know it.

 

[cwy21]

Let's see how the trial goes before calling it the death of football. I think it was Football Weekly today that was asking if there were similar statements about it ruining football when the backpass was introduced.

 

[Tucker]

From the Telegraph via the BBC

A blue card for a goalkeeper will force teams to choose between putting an outfield player in goal or making a permanent substitution under planned new sin-bin trials.

This proposal might be the death of the game as we know it.

Not something anyone needs to worry about. I bet 95% of refs will just not give blue cards to keepers.

 

[ReadieSpur]

What happens if there is an "injury" or player down with cramp etc. in the 10 mins. is the sin bin clock stopped? or is time added on?

 

[Hazelton]

Game needs to go back to it's foundations, scrap the bits that haven't worked and keep the bits that have. All it really needs is goal-line tech and a live screen pitchside that allows the referee to review his own decisions if he isn't sure. That's it.

 

[allatsea]

Game needs to go back to it's foundations, scrap the bits that haven't worked and keep the bits that have. All it really needs is goal-line tech and a live screen pitchside that allows the referee to review his own decisions if he isn't sure. That's it.

Spot on IMO. No need for the remote VAR Refs etc. Just have the TV available for the Ref to make his mind up or change his mind if he is unsure. The rest is just time wasting.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Game needs to go back to it's foundations, scrap the bits that haven't worked and keep the bits that have. All it really needs is goal-line tech and a live screen pitchside that allows the referee to review his own decisions if he isn't sure. That's it.

In that case Sky , TNT , BBC & every other TV company will have to be asked to stop endless slow motion replays of goals that should have been disallowed or allowed. It's the media that has put referees & linesmen/women under constant pressure with endless critcism of refereeing desicions.

 

[Shanks]

From the Telegraph via the BBC

A blue card for a goalkeeper will force teams to choose between putting an outfield player in goal or making a permanent substitution under planned new sin-bin trials.

This proposal might be the death of the game as we know it.

Agree, not only will it fuck uo keeping, it also increases risk of injury.

Sorting the use of VAR out is a much higher priority.

Sin bins work at grass roots level, but not for thebprofessionl game

 

[Bobbins]

The alternative to this proposal is that the referees use the existing laws and use the disciplinary methods already at their disposal.

As it stands the “top” refs will often let these kind of professional fouls go unpunished. They’ll also bottle second yellows in big matches.

The dissent issue is similarly treated in an inconsistent manner. Some games a player will get booked for back chat the next game they won’t.

Giving the refs yet another decision to bottle won’t improve the game.

I think it'll work in the opposite way to this - it will give refs a tool they can use to punish an infraction they clearly know has happened, but as you rightly point out are currently (and have always been) too scared to punish with a second yellow.

I've heard the "that's what yellow cards are for" argument a lot this week in response to this - and I admit I am seemingly very much in the minority in wanting this to happen - but the fact of the matter is that ref's don't, have never, and will never, use yellow cards correctly, because that would mean sending a lot more players off, which means a lot more scrutiny and complaining managers.

A sin bin, blue card or whatever halfway house is tried, gives them a get-out, a third way, one which they'll naturally be inclined to use. A decent punishment - more than a yellow because that's what these things require - without the game-ending pressure and suspension which comes from a red card.

I would dearly love to see City players benched for 10 minutes every time Rodri does yet another tactical foul and breaks down an opposition attack before its really begun. It's cheating, but refs are too scared to send him off for it, and they never, ever will. This gives them another option, which will give an appropriate temporary advantage to the opposition.

The argument that refs will bottle this decision is anathema to the entire premise of testing this out - it will almost certainly work in exactly the opposite way to that argument, but the point is - we have to test it and see what happens.

 

[PCozzie]

Not something anyone needs to worry about. I bet 95% of refs will just not give blue cards to keepers.

Probably true, but this is my main objection to it. As we have it now (all things being equal) if you commit a yellow card offence you get a yellow card and have to deal with the consequences, whether that be being unable to play as you wish for the rest of the game, or it's a second yellow and therefore a red.

With the blue card the referee himself is able to make a decision on how the consequences of your actions affect the rest of the game. It's no longer a question of 'does that deserve a yellow, yes or no?', it's going to be 'that's a cardable offence, but now I need to think about which type of card because it's the keeper that's done it and that means different things happen depending on what I decide to do.'

It completely opens the referee up to accusations of bias if he gives a blue card in a situation where he could equally give a yellow.

 

[Tucker]

I think it'll work in the opposite way to this - it will give refs a tool they can use to punish an infraction they clearly know has happened, but as you rightly point out are currently (and have always been) too scared to punish with a second yellow.

I've heard the "that's what yellow cards are for" argument a lot this week in response to this - and I admit I am seemingly very much in the minority in wanting this to happen - but the fact of the matter is that ref's don't, have never, and will never, use yellow cards correctly, because that would mean sending a lot more players off, which means a lot more scrutiny and complaining managers.

A sin bin, blue card or whatever halfway house is tried, gives them a get-out, a third way, one which they'll naturally be inclined to use. A decent punishment - more than a yellow because that's what these things require - without the game-ending pressure and suspension which comes from a red card.

I would dearly love to see City players benched for 10 minutes every time Rodri does yet another tactical foul and breaks down an opposition attack before its really begun. It's cheating, but refs are too scared to send him off for it, and they never, ever will. This gives them another option, which will give an appropriate temporary advantage to the opposition.

The argument that refs will bottle this decision is anathema to the entire premise of testing this out - it will almost certainly work in exactly the opposite way to that argument, but the point is - we have to test it and see what happens.

They aren’t just hesitant to give a second yellow, but generally are with the first too.

If we had referees using the cards at their disposal to control the players already, then this wouldn’t be an issue.

Adding another layer of punishment won’t fix the issues. It’ll just mean more complaints of bias when the big clubs continue to get away with murder week in week out.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Bin the idea as Ange said. “bin it mate”

 

[Bobbins]

Bin the idea as Ange said. “bin it mate”

Or do the sensible thing, which is what they are doing, and trial it and see how it goes at a lower level than elite football.

There's literally no harm in that at all, otherwise you'll never know if it's a bad idea or not.