Simple Harry Vote - Yes or No?

[Misfit]

I do hope so - Plug was at the forefront of pressurising the FA into appointing Redknapp while he was our manager, and, therefore, the manager of a rival at the top of th table (at the time), and the pressure on the FA, with the almost automatic assumption in many quaters that the job was Redknapp's, contributed to the general unsettling of our club at a vital time of the season.

Made me laugh out loud at work, ya bastid!

 

[StartingPrice]

Here's a question then, at what point do you replace a manager?

Don't know if this answeres your question (because it answers a question which stipulates a time with a state) but:

When he's a !

 

[StartingPrice]

Made me laugh out loud at work, ya bastid!

 

[AngerManagement]

Don't know if this answeres your question (because it answers a question which stipulates a time with a state) but:

When he's a !

Sorry I haven't read the rest of this post, are you currently pro sacking Redknapp

I'm not as such, but I have to admit I was disappointed that he didn't get the England job as I thought the impact the speculation had meant a clean parting to England with the club being compensated by the FA would have been best for everyone

 

[Breezer]

I personally think HR will be sacked or given a new contract before Pre-season. I can't see DL letting HR's contract expire! He either has someone lined up and will release HR before pre-season starts, or he will offer him a new contract to put off other teams who might be interested in his services.

If he's sacked my money is on AVB @ 20/1 or Benitez @ 18/1. £50 on both would hopefully see a sweet return.

 

[AngerManagement]

I personally think HR will be sacked or given a new contract before Pre-season. I can't see DL letting HR's contract expire! He either has someone lined up and will release HR before pre-season starts, or he will offer him a new contract to put off other teams who might be interested in his services.

If he's sacked my money is on AVB @ 20/1 or Benitez @ 18/1. £50 on both would hopefully see a sweet return.

I just can't see AVB or Benitez being our next manager, certainly not Benitez. If AVB really has been recommended strongly to Levy by Jose I guess its possible although I suspect Chelsea have some kind of agreement preventing him managing in England for a period as part of his compensation package

My money would be on Harry starting the season as manager, I just hope it does't lead to us HAVING to sack him because of poor performance we could see us out of the race for CL football before it even starts

 

[Breezer]

I just can't see AVB or Benitez being our next manager, certainly not Benitez. If AVB really has been recommended strongly to Levy by Jose I guess its possible although I suspect Chelsea have some kind of agreement preventing him managing in England for a period as part of his compensation package

My money would be on Harry starting the season as manager, I just hope it does't lead to us HAVING to sack him because of poor performance we could see us out of the race for CL football before it even starts

Harry will probably start the season as manager but why would DL let his contract expire unless he already has someone else lined up!

 

[AngerManagement]

Harry will probably start the season as manager but why would DL let his contract expire unless he already has someone else lined up!

I guess his contract has expired due to the uncertainty surrounding Harry's future

First there has been the Court case which has lingered on for a while. Levy wouldn't have wanted to extend that until it was resolved. Then England and now there has been a situation where expectations where not met and potentially relations are strained somewhat (differences of opinions on signings and vision for the club etc)

I don't think that means Levy already has someone lined up, just that as of yet he hasn't committed to Harry. He may well have sounded a few potential replacements out during the time where Harry may have been going England but this is not for certain and it couldn't have really gone much further than the sounding out stage.

I used to think Levy was always thinking and planning two steps ahead but then several transfer windows passed and each time I expected Levy to have lined things up before the window and the window simply to be a matter of formalising pre arranged deals but this never seems to be the case and we always seem to be starting fresh when the window opens which leads me to believe Levy is more reactive than we may think and he doesn't always plan that far ahead.

In my opinion I think its more likely that Harry's contract simply hasn't been extended due to the doubt that has been cast and if he were to be sacked now I wouldn't expect a new man to come straight in, I'd actually expect a process to begin because no one was lined up.

 

[parklane1]

Would be happy to see him leave.

 

[DuDe]

Would be happy to see him leave.

Congratulations! You are the 200th person to use that rare human ability known as common sense

 

[HappySpur]

I voted No a while back because I let a certain pro-Harrynista get to me.

But here's the thing. I would neither be happy nor sad to see him leave. And I think most people are like me.

Does Harry piss me off sometimes? Sure. A lot to be fair

Is he a good coach? Damn straight. It would be folly to argue that he isn't. You don't coach in the top flight of English football for 20 years because you lucked it.

Has he been good for us? Yes

As good as he should have been? No. See below

Has he turned the club into one big super slide - sans the euphoria - at an one of those "how is this still open amusement parks" in Blackpool after January the past two years? Let's be fair....i just wanted to type that up for the giggle. But yes

So I am conflicted, as many of us are. There are better managers out there, but we don't know if we can attract them. And even if we do, there are pitfalls that could derail even the best manager. Maybe Pep isn't all that or Mourinho can't coach without money or Jurgen Klopp's ability to get his men to run through walls for him is hampered by linguistic barriers (and if he did I just want to say I beat the Mail to JURGEN FLOPP. You can't see this but I'm dancing and saying who's your daddy. My boss is calling me over!)

Okay, I'm back and if you want my C.V. just PM me.

But the fact is, we will never know how any coach regardless of name will do in our unique circumstances. That's not an issue when we have to fire a guy because he's not up to snuff. You take the plunge and hope for the best. But Harry is up to it, when he want to be. So the things that piss me off about the complex man aren't enough to outweigh the good. Or at least not outweigh them enough to make this easy.

So if he goes, I will accept it, support* the manager, hope for the best and worry constantly about the worse
And if he stays, I will accept it, support the manager, hope for the best and worry constantly about the worse

* i can support and criticize

I see the value in both sets of arguments, and might lean slightly to "get rid", but I recognize the gravity of such a decision and don't envy Levy at all. And nobody, but nobody can make an argument that it is simple. You can have your opinions, but this is quite an odd situation which lacks any black or white and provides no easy solutions.

 

[bas]

I voted NO because of HR and KB unbelievable tactical decision away to A Villa bringing on Parker when we needed 3 points to enable us to get 6 points from last 2 games and secure CL instead of Arsenal.

 

[DuDe]

I voted NO because of HR and KB unbelievable tactical decision away to A Villa bringing on Parker when we needed 3 points to enable us to get 6 points from last 2 games and secure CL instead of Arsenal.

Funny you should mention that, but when I was in the toilet earlier today having a 'Downing' I was thinking about that game as well.

Oh, and before one of you bastich's comments on me 'obviously missing the target' - I didn't, thanks to gravity.

 

[Kingstheman]

Funny you should mention that, but when I was in the toilet earlier today having a 'Downing' I was thinking about that game as well.

Oh, and before one of you bastich's comments on me 'obviously missing the target' - I didn't, thanks to gravity.

Just as well. It'd take a fundamental force of physics to cause him to hit the target.

 

[Col_M]

Here's a question then, at what point do you replace a manager?

Good question, remember how we all laughed at Chelsea sacking AVB, Seems it was worth every penny of that compensation!

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Good question, remember how we all laughed at Chelsea sacking AVB, Seems it was worth every penny of that compensation!

Any supporter with common sense was gutted when Chelsea sacked AVB

I think we were all expecting Harry to take the England job (as was Levy) and quite fancied the romantic idea of appointing a bright young manager who COULD do a great job for us but it could just as easily gone pear shaped very quickly

You replace the manager when He's:

1. Lost the dressing room
2. a dead man walking
3. Has had a poor record for a decent amount of time (2 seasons +)
4. Playing football that almost gets you relegated and sends you to sleep
5. Gets you relegated
6. Shagging the chairman's or players wives
7. Caught kerb crawling

At present H is guilty of none of the above so should stay and continue to keep us around the CL places

If you look at our league history since El Tel and remember some of the fantastic football we've seen under Harry the thought of getting rid of him now England have gone elsewhere is MADNESS

 

[wirE]

IMO No.

 

[sloth]

Any supporter with common sense was gutted when Chelsea sacked AVB

I think we were all expecting Harry to take the England job (as was Levy) and quite fancied the romantic idea of appointing a bright young manager who COULD do a great job for us but it could just as easily gone pear shaped very quickly

You replace the manager when He's:

1. Lost the dressing room
2. a dead man walking
3. Has had a poor record for a decent amount of time (2 seasons +)
4. Playing football that almost gets you relegated and sends you to sleep
5. Gets you relegated
6. Shagging the chairman's or players wives
7. Caught kerb crawling

At present H is guilty of none of the above so should stay and continue to keep us around the CL places

If you look at our league history since El Tel and remember some of the fantastic football we've seen under Harry the thought of getting rid of him now England have gone elsewhere is MADNESS

You see I disagree with this completely. In which walk of life would you only change the COO after the company had failed? There has to be a place between outright failure, and roaring success, where a club is strategically correct to change the manager. Of course change is fraught with stuff which can go wrong, so you shouldn't do it lightly, but at the same time, not doing something because there's danger involved, playing it safe in other words, is often the path to slow decline (in the world of business how many companies have fought there way to the top by taking risks where their more established, more staid rivals wouldn't, only to once there start playing it safe, and thus lose out to the next thrusting company coming up on the rails behind them?)

In the case of Harry, I think that if you thought he was ultimately no more than an average manager, if you didn't think he was much of a coach, and if you felt he was briefing against the club to the benefit of his own image. If, in other words, you doubted he was the man for the long haul, then you still might not sack him, but you might start looking for an upgrade as his contract ran down.

The situation we're faced with, however, is that Harry has said if you don't give me a longer contract then you're basically saying I'm no good, and in fact you may as well sack me. I don't think that's true, but that's immaterial because by his words Harry's made it true. So now he's brought it to a head, and while I don't think you would usually sack someone you had doubts about, but who had yet to massively fail, neither should you extend their contract. For this reason I think we probably need to go our separate ways.