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Should Ledley King leave?

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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Crazy thought, eh?

He's, to my mind, our best defender - even better than Woodgate. He should arguably have been starting for England for the last 4 years, and I'd had my way, he would have. He's our loyal captain. And now I suggest we dump him? Bare with me.

Ledley, along with Berbatov, are my favourite players. If Ledley King was to retire tomorrow, he'd go down as a Tottenham legend. A true great. But is he really what we need right now?

Ledley has a problem, and that problem is stopping him from playing much. He cannot seem to string more than a game or two together, and no more than one a week. Sure, when he can play, a quite brilliant partnership of Woodgate and King are is made possible, but when it's not, we're forced to select a less than fantastic partner for Woody. This is a problem on a number of levels. For starters, the best partnerships are the ones that are allowed to grow. You only have to look a little further up the pitch to see proof of this in Robbie Keane and Dimi Berbatov. Keeping Ledley is stopping our defence from doing this, as it's ever changing to accommodate Ledley when he's fit. When Ledley's not fit, we're forced to play alternatives such as Dawson (who isn't good enough, in my opinion) and Kaboul (who isn't ready, in my opinion). We need to be able to go out and get a centre back who will be able to partner Woodgate week in, week out. It's the only way our defence will ever improve. I'm not Dawson's biggest fan, but our best defensive record in living memory for me was when our defence consisted, almost weekly, of Dawson and King (and Salty and Lee either side for that matter). If we're to attract a genuine, World class defender, he isn't going to be sold on the line, 'you'll play whenever King isn't fit, but he'll always be chosen over you when he's ready'. Another reason is the matter of captaincy. He's the club captain, but there are times when we need a leader on the pitch, and I'm not sure it's ideal that we're normally being lead by our 2nd or even 3rd in command on the pitch. A forth and final reason is the wages. Ledley is one of the top earners at Spurs. He takes what is reported as between £48k and £60k a week home. I love Ledley as much as everyone else, but surely you have to look beyond sentiment and realise that it just doesn't make sense paying someone who'll play only sparingly that kind of money. It could be spent on a replacement - one who'll play every week.

I'm not sure how this will go down, as it's quite controversial, and I'm expecting a few people (Flatters) who'll disagree completely, which I'm open to. I'm just putting forward the suggestion that maybe it'd be best if we went our separate ways.
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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they say they are only playing him now and then as not to risk him, we have messed him about too much and its probably the backroom staff who have caused the bigger problems to him, but King himself has said he will be back, i think Ramos has said he will be back, and i for one belive this and wish to belive!!

even if he still plays every few games, i would still keep him! just look at wembley and us beating Chelsea, i dont think it would have been as good to me if King wasnt there in the winning side and lifting the cup aloft!
 

Kyras

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Feb 2, 2005
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There's not enough loyalty in football nowadays, and the clubs are to blame too.

We need to keep ledley, he's stayed loyal to us, and he's a truely world class player, imagine if we got rid of him, he got rid of his injuries and signed for Man Utd or someone, the club obviously feel he can do well in the future or wouldn't have spent so much time and money on him.

He is King Ledley and he must stay!
 

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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If Ledley can overcome his problems and play as regularly as any other footballer, I wouldn't have made the thread. But I don't think he ever will, and because of that, I think our loyalty is hurting us.
 

guiltyparty

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There's not enough loyalty in football nowadays, and the clubs are to blame too.

We need to keep ledley, he's stayed loyal to us

Erm… has he? His career has been blighted by injuries. If he'd been injury-free, things might have turned out very differently, you'd do well to remember that. Like Anderton before him, methinks the only reason he didn't move on to bigger and better things was down to people not wanting to take a risk with his fitness rather than any kind of loyalty. Sacrilege, I know, but hey…
 

Davey-O

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Mar 16, 2005
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Errr no I think you should leave.

Seriously, he's Ledley King mate... every game he plays is great for us.

Sure he may not be able to play every season but hes an important person to have around and quite frankly I can't believe you made this thread...

Foolish child.
 

Bobbins

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May 5, 2005
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Dawson and Kaboul are excellent back-ups for Woodgate and King, and both have proven before that they are capable of mature, extremely solid performances when playing alongside one of the better pair. We simply don't need two world-class centre backs, and we're not nearly good enough to even think of going for that kind of set-up.

It's only injury problems for both players that have allowed us to both keep King and gain Woodgate, both are far too talented to be at a club like Spurs, but fortunately for us King is as loyal, and injured, as they come, and no-one else except the Toy-Town Club were willing to risk going for Woodgate.

With King and Woodgate, backed up by the extremely capable Dawson, and the sweating-with-potential Kaboul, we have pretty much the best central defensive set-up we could possibly imagine for a club of our size and level of success.

We should do everything in our power to ensure that we have the same four centre backs at the start of next season as we have now. And tell Ramos to give Rocha a bloody game now and again, the man is totally wasted at Spurs.
 

nidge

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Jul 27, 2004
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You make some fair comments Christophe but, we don't really know whats going on behind the scenes. It is clear that everyone at the club wants to give Ledley the time to see if he can comeback to full fitness (by full fitness I don't mean a game every other week) and I think we should respect the decision of the club but, if his injuries don't clear up there may came at time when we have to look at letting him go as a player :cry: and look at making him a future spurs coach/manager.
 

ChRiStOpHe

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Dec 14, 2004
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So Davey-baby, you don't think it's damaging to our stability on the pitch having a different back 4 every single week? You'd rather have an ever changing defence that includes Ledley every now and then, rather than a solid, constant back 4 who can actually play with one another every week?

Don't get me wrong people - I love Ledley. In fact, I got him on the back of this years home shirt. I just know that stability in team selection seems to be fucking underrated in these parts, and we'll never have a solid defence until we actually get a definitive back 4 sorted.
 

Kendall

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He shouldn't leave, but he shouldn't be considered part of the 1st 11 anymore. He should, essentially, be treated as a 'reserve' or squad member. meaning we need another good CB to develop a strong, starting partnership with Woodgate.
 

claw_diddy

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I hope that King will get a good rest until, and during the summer - and be like a new signing for us next term.

However, If we are just hanging on to him to play a bit part and then fizzle out slowly and queitly, then I agree with Christophe - get rid and start a new era asap.

We really should have got Distin when we had the chance.
 

don1

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Dec 30, 2006
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anyone that thinks we should do without ledley is of there trolley all the games that he has played he has being class just in the final alone he was unreal he is born to wear that shirt if only a few other players done the same we would be better of so if that means he only plays 10, 20 or 30 games that will do for me because ever other team would take him like a shot

he is the king after all
 
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