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Scott Parker, what does he do?

punkisback

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Parker, a brilliant motivator. A Lieutenant capable of bringing tears to the eyes of his fellow players in half time speeches, according to Carlton Cole. But for all his chest thumping is he actually half the player that Spurs fans and pundits are led to believe? In any case can we take the football writers player of the year award seriously, given that a lot of football fans slate journalists for not knowing anything about football or showing clear bias; a lot of journalists have strong west ham leanings.

I myself genuinely believe that Parker is a detriment to the team. Yes we may be doing better this season, but I believe that this is due to us having an outlet up front. Our problem wasn't in central midfield, it was in not having an effective striker who could also hold up the play and link well with the midfield.

Firstly Harry identified Parker as someone who could add steel and bite to the midfield; In his first few games he did just that. However recently he seems to have shirked his defensive role and this had led to a detriment in our results. His tackling statistics have been lower than Modric and Sandro's in his most recent games. Given that his job is primarily to win the ball back and lay it square to more creative players he seems to be unable to put a tackle in at all.

These are chalkboards comparing his tackling to his CM partners in recent games
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You can clearly see that he is either shirking his responsibilities or is not good enough to keep up with the pace of the premier league. It says something when Modric is putting in more tackles than him. Modric is the person we should be building our team on, he is the creative fulcrum and our possession master yet Parker seems to be getting Modric to do the dirty work for him recently. Given that he offers relatively nothing in attack this is counterproductive and places limits on our best player.

Further to this in the game against wolves, Parker seemed to be further forward that Modric. Again I don't know if this was due to Harry's instructions but we did struggle in breaking them down. Perhaps if the more creative of the two CMs was playing further forward we would have fashioned out better chances? This has been happening in recent games too. Please see the passing heatmaps below to gain a general idea of each persons average position on the pitch.

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As you can see Modric comes very deep to collect the ball, surely that comes within Parker's remit to collect the ball from the CBs and to distribute it to the more attacking players. Instead against wolves Parker spent a lot of this time on the right wing, where we already had Lennon and Walker. If he showed more discipline he could have stayed in CM and let Modric do the creating further forward. His lack of discipline was one of the factors in our poor performance. The like is also evident against Swansea.

Compare this performance to Livermore at Everton and you can see that due to Livermore holding his deep position, he gave Modric license to go forward and we won the game and controlled possession. Its doubtless that in CM Modric is our most important player, Parker should be doing his water carrying instead of the opposite way round.

For a player who's main job is to defend and provide a solid base for our creative players to do that,he doesn't seem to be doing his job. If he isn't defending and he isn't creating what does he do?
 

chrissivad

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For a player who's main job is to defend and provide a solid base for our creative players to do that,he doesn't seem to be doing his job. If he isn't defending and he isn't creating what does he do?

dont agree with this at all, just need to watch him to see the amount of closing down he does to win the ball back

this was in November:
Tottenham’s Scott Parker has made more tackles than any other player in the league at 5.9, just ahead of Liverpool’s Lucas Leiva, whilst Villa’s Stilian Petrov has made the most interceptions at 3.9 per game.
 

punkisback

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dont agree with this at all, just need to watch him to see the amount of closing down he does to win the ball back

this was in November:

Yes I said that he was doing his job earlier. But in the past few months he hasn't and we haven't done as well as we should have. He is also playing higher up rather than holding nowadays. My point is that we were doing better when he was holding and keeping it simple. Then when he was injured Livermore came in and held the whole team played better.
 

Mr Pink

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What about your stats for the rest of the season? He picked up an injury against Swansea and admittedly wasn't at his best against Wolves but this is selective in the extreme.

Parker has been superb for most of this season and his contribution has been immense.

The mind boggles Eek
 

Reado

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Does that take into account interceptions, or the fact he pressures opponents into errors by snapping at their heels? No.
 

Dare!

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What a fantastic topic. You're a credit to your family.
 

SpurSince57

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I take a few weeks' break from SC, and return to find the deadbrains are still here. Quelle surprise.
 

rich75

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What is this obsession with chalk boards, heat maps, stats of all peculiar natures ? Just watch the bloody game.
 

chadders

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Tackles don't win games, from what I have seen of Parker he generally is in the right position to intercept the ball and he hounds the opposition into making mistakes. I have always mentally noted that Ledley King doesnt seem to make as many tackles as players in his position but he reads the game so well he doesn't need to, ScottyP might just be the same.

Wonder how much ground he covered in those games.
 

bigpalacios

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Very intelligent footballer, reads the game well, good distribution and good awareness of fellow midfielders positions.
 

punkisback

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What about your stats for the rest of the season? He picked up an injury against Swansea and admittedly wasn't at his best against Wolves but this is selective in the extreme.

Parker has been superb for the most of this season and his contribution has been immense.

The mind boggles Eek

Refer to my posts above. This is showing that his recent positional indiscipline and shirking of defensive responsibilities has led to our drop in form. I said that he was playing well at the start of the season when he held and tackled.

And Tom Read, unfortunately, I cannot get any of those stats about harassing opposition in anywhere. But I'd rather someone made a successful tackle and won the ball than just putting pressure on the opposition. I have only missed the QPR and Sunderland games at home this Season. But In recent games I don't think he has offered what he should be offering to us. Yes I know he's injured, but if he is unfit stick Livermore in, who showed what a disciplined job he did in CM vs everton.
 

punkisback

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I take a few weeks' break from SC, and return to find the deadbrains are still here. Quelle surprise.

You could at least provide a counter argument than call people a deadbrain. Its a debate, provide me with your argument rather than name call.
 

tooey

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Why do people time and time again use stats on individual when theirs so much more to it than that. My eyes tell me that him playing has led us to be described as "playing the best football in the country" and see's us 3rd in the league. Adebayor hasn't scored a hat-full, but its clear that his affect on the side is positive...by looking.
 

punkisback

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Why do people time and time again use stats on individual when theirs so much more to it than that. My eyes tell me that him playing has led us to be described as "playing the best football in the country" and see's us 3rd in the league. Adebayor hasn't scored a hat-full, but its clear that his affect on the side is positive...by looking.

But what does he offer, what is it that you see that makes you think he contributes. With Adebayor I see that he offers brilliant hold up play. The strength and height to receive the ball in the air. The pace to reach onto a through ball and the skill to receive it to feet. His finishing could be better but we gain at ground in opposition territory by having him on the field. What is it that Parker offers that has improved our team. And it recent games it hasn't been tackling nor anchoring the midfield to allow our attackers to create. Even David May and Phil Neville have league medals.
 

rich75

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Refer to my posts above. This is showing that his recent positional indiscipline and shirking of defensive responsibilities has led to our drop in form. I said that he was playing well at the start of the season when he held and tackled.

And Tom Read, unfortunately, I cannot get any of those stats about harassing opposition in anywhere. But I'd rather someone made a successful tackle and won the ball than just putting pressure on the opposition. I have only missed the QPR and Sunderland games at home this Season. But In recent games I don't think he has offered what he should be offering to us. Yes I know he's injured, but if he is unfit stick Livermore in, who showed what a disciplined job he did in CM vs everton.

Even though putting pressure on can lead to a misplaced pass that gives possession to the opposition or allows another better placed player to make an easy tackle with no danger of conceding a free kick ?
 
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