mill
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Rose needs to go!
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Pedro
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Nice try A&C, and I do generally agree but you have put this in the wrong thread. Firstly Lloris should not be on that list, if anyone has said 'he is shit lets get rid' then they need to be taken outside and shot because they are a danger to society. Secondly, come on rose is beyond hope. He has been terrible all season, is getting worse and can't even get the basics right.
TheGreenLily
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Rose
Dawson - Not good enough I feel, worries of being injury prone.
Walker - Stay, hope a new manager can develop his passing decision making
Naughton - Undecided, recent performances have be consistently okay to good.
Chirches - With the right coaching he will be very very good
Verts - Hope he stays, very very good player and hope a new manager can relight that fire
Dembele - Hmmmm, tough one, good running with the ball but consistently fails to pick the right pass at the the right time.
Lamela- With right coach he is going to be world class
Soldado - World class, needs a manager who knows what they are doing to build a team that knows what they are doing.
Eriksen - Most likely going to be world class.
Kaboul - Injury prone, as such has lost it, IMO.
Lloris - World class
Chadli - Could be an excellent player with the right manager
Capoue - has the potential to be an excellent player
Townsend - I think it would be better for him, if he was moved, not unless a new coach really develop him, he has the potential, but I don't know
Lennon - Spurs has let him down, never really developed to his full potential, time to go I feel.
Sigurdsson - Has potential, would rather wait for a new manager to have a look, always being played out of his best position.
Paulinho - With the right manager he could well develop into a world class player, he clearly has the ability, but needs a manager who knows what they are doing.
And whoever else I missed.
Ade - Needs to go, we can't afford his wages, disruptive in the dressing room, hit an miss performances.
Sandro - Needs to stop getting injured, starting to get worried about
Rose - IMO, he is not good enough and needs to be replaced.
Kane - I think with the right coaching and he continues to develop, he is going to be a fantastic little player for us.
Fryers - I honestly don't know with this one.
All have at some point or another been 'shit' this season and according to some 'need to go'. Some have been poorer than others and there will no doubt be some sort of natural turnover of players, but IMO there's not going to be a massive clearout, so a number of these so called 'shit' players will be staying.
I think there needs to be some to leave, but I would personally like to some more of the youngsters come through, like Carroll, Cellebos, Fredricks and many of the others. With a good coach/manager who knows what they are doing, we have some serious potential in our younger ranks that I would like to see come through and given the chance. Even if it means losing the likes of Lennon, Rose etc to make way.
A large number of players were bought last summer and final judgement on the success or otherwise on these players should be reserved for at least another year. We all know some take longer than others to settle, it wasn't that long ago that Eriksen was the subject of frustration. These are not bad footballers. None of them.
All the players we brought this year have some serious potential, but we need the right manager to bring it out and develop them.
Some of our younger players haven't performed as well as we'd like but is that really that surprising given what's happened this season? But the potential is still there, they are not shit either.
I would like to see more come through, as I just said at the expense of Lennon, Rose and maybe few of the others. If we want the youngsters to come through, then we need to make space somewhere.
Also bring through the youngsters in various position, means we can spend were it is really needed, like a LB and CB.
If we appoint the right manager he will get better out of literally every player in our squad in my opinion so for me, it isn't a case of Rose is shit, Naughton is a clown etc etc etc it's more a case of Levy, hire the right man to get the best out of this bunch. Create the right environment for them to thrive. That's the magical fix (if there is such a thing), not "He's shit get the next one in".
They are all pretty good footballers.
They are all good at some standard, yes (although at PL standard of wanting a top 4 spot, some could be classed as rubbish/shit), but sometimes a player loses it, that spark, injuries take toll, they just can't develop any more reaching the potential and in some cases regress.
I think there are a few players that really need to go this, to make way for the youngsters and some areas really need strengthening. Most of all, we need a manager who knows what they are doing, coaching staff who know what they are doing, continuity throughout the whole club...
And for Levy to actually support the bloody manager and his decisions.
This is what I think anyway, there are so many positives at the club, it just the "infrastructure" (for lack of a better word, in terms of personnel (Not Baldini, I think he has done a great job)) of the club that needs the real overhaul.
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Yeah i've seen it aimed at Lloris sadly.
No argument, Rose has been terrible and the criticism of him and others is justified. But I still wouldn't give up on any of them, as poor as some individuals have been they ain't 'shit'. The potential is there and if LVG thinks he can do something with Rose for example, then he, along with anyone else we keep on, can improve quite a bit.
Who knows what any of them can acheive under a proper manager
Spurger King
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Yeah i've seen it aimed at Lloris sadly.
No argument, Rose has been terrible and the criticism of him and others is justified. But I still wouldn't give up on any of them, as poor as some individuals have been they ain't 'shit'. The potential is there and if LVG thinks he can do something with Rose for example, then he, along with anyone else we keep on, can improve quite a bit.
Who knows what any of them can acheive under a proper manager
I doubt Van Gaal would even trust Rose to guard the flags.
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You want to move on the youngsters to make way for more youngsters and this would be strengthening how exactly?
Again, lets take Rose as an example. A lot of people on SC were gagging to have him back at the club and even saying we were missing him while he was out injured. Since he's come back his stock has fallen to such an extent that he's now universally derided as 'shit'. You can't tell me that in just over a half a season he's gone so far from one extreme to the other than a final decision on how good he is or might be (either way) is anything other than premature. We aren't going to get a young player who comes in, puts in assured performances from the off and maintains the required standards of consistency and quality whilst learning on the job so to speak.
Again, under the right manager, in the right system and used the right way, what we have could well be good enough. Just for a change, lets not be so hasty and lets find out the old fashioned way.
Personally I think Rose has it in him to be a success and i'd really like to how he'd get on under a manager like LVG.
I know its an unpopular onion and i'm farting against thunder on this one But meh. Onions are onions
TheGreenLily
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You want to move on the youngsters to make way for more youngsters and this would be strengthening how exactly?
To be fair, 3 of the 5 I marked as red, are not exactly youngsters, one had been at the club for nearly 7 years and rose.
Again, lets take Rose as an example. A lot of people on SC were gagging to have him back at the club and even saying we were missing him while he was out injured. Since he's come back his stock has fallen to such an extent that he's now universally derided as 'shit'. You can't tell me that in just over a half a season he's gone so far from one extreme to the other than a final decision on how good he is or might be (either way) is anything other than premature. We aren't going to get a young player who comes in, puts in assured performances from the off and maintains the required standards of consistency and quality whilst learning on the job so to speak.
Of coursed we missed him as he is the only real LB we have at the club (BAE is out on loan), even if the player is not to the required standard, I thinking playing him would be an improvement as it provides a natural balance to the squad.
Same thing happened with Lennon, whilst Harry was in charge, he got injured and we subsequently lost a 10 point lead over Arsenal, as Harry refused to play any of the other right wingers/midfielders at the time (Bentley and Pienaar, IIRC) and played Bale on the right in stead. Unbalancing the team, which IMO, also contributed to the drop in performances and results, along with everything else that was going on.
I think the same applies to Rose, he brings a balance to the team, despite not being good enough (IMO). Simply because he is the only real option we have got at the moment.
Of course, if anything, we bring in another LB as a starter and give to Rose time to develop under a new manager (LVG maybe), but saying that, his previous comments has put a question mark over whether that is actually viable option with him.
Again, under the right manager, in the right system and used the right way, what we have could well be good enough. Just for a change, lets not be so hasty and lets find out the old fashioned way.
Of course, I would like to agree with you, I thought he was part of the reason why we started so brightly under AVB this season, which we did, until he got injured and the balance of the team went out the window, but since his injury he has not been quite the same player.
But I don't think he will like not starting, whilst LVG (maybe) develops him to the standard the LVG will demand of him. If that is the case then what is the solution?
Personally I think Rose has it in him to be a success and i'd really like to how he'd get on under a manager like LVG.
I know its an unpopular onion and i'm farting against thunder on this one But meh. Onions are onions
I don't think you are farting against thunder, I would personally love all our players to develop, but in reality that is not always going to happen and sometimes you have to cut your loses.
If Rose does leave, then I feel that it maybe good for him, regular games (Sunderland) and given the time to develop whilst playing.
Dundalk_Spur
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Apart from his poor performances I think it is his piss poor attitude and seemingly lack of effort especially in terms of tracking back which really annoys people. Most supporters can forgive a bad performance or two as long as the effort is put in, but lack of effort is unforgivable.
mil1lion
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I feel a bit for him really because he has little to no help in front of him. He's still a young lad and lets not forget he hasn't been a left back for very long. It takes time for defenders to develop because they have so much responsibility. I wouldn't right him off but we do need a more experienced first choice left back. I'm happy with Naughton and Rose to offer back up next season and continue their development.
Krafty
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I also feel a bit sorry for him, but his individual decision making is extremely poor.
Defensively he is very vulnerable - one on one, covering, anticipation - and he doesn't work hard enough to get back into position.
All this is compounded by the fact he is not the greatest going forward - he does at least get forward and offer us width on that left side, but his crossing is very scattergun. I can see why he did well at Sunderland - he is a bit pacey and athletic and that Sunderland team is very one paced - but that's not good enough for Spurs and I don't see him improving.
Ultimately I don't think he is a left back and I think he's ended up there because he is not technically accomplished to play in midfield and lacks the stature to match his combativeness.
tiger666
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He'll be sold.
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From what I hear BEA will soon be either back in France or in Turkey.
