The academies do try and stop this stuff, and you will be in serious trouble from your own club if you shout at refs like that when playing in academy games, but when they turn pro and see that they get away with it, and more importantly, that it works, then you can see why they do it.
Rooney Yesterday
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riversmonkey
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Rio Ferdinand impressed me, by jokingly kicking Vidic and telling him to stop time wasting when he went down for 'cramp', and also ticking off Rafael after the 'yellow card' gesture. So presumably some of United's senior pros play the game in the right way. Rooney however seems to exist on his own terms. See, the transfer fiasco from earlier in the season.
Sp3akerboxxx
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Face it he's an absolute scum bag, the type of bloke who shags hookers whilst his missus is sat at home pregnant.
I personally think you should ban swearing at referees.
I personally think you should ban swearing at referees.
Sp3akerboxxx
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Yeah Rio plays the game properly.... when he's not jacked up on roids missing drug tests.
RichieS
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To be fair, the 'sledging' that goes on between players can be pretty nasty.
The only way this 'respect' campaign will work is if players get a straight red when they obviously swear at an official. The authority of the men in black should be ultimate. Give the refs microphones like the rugby ones have if need be for proof of the abuse.
$hoguN
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So can the language used between two rugby players, but that is not what I was or am talking about. In both cricket and Rugby you do not question the officials let alone swear at them. That is something which really needs to be brought into football as its is disgraceful how some players/teams behave.
Max_Junglie
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I guess the problem is that if the ref sticks to the rules and sends a player off, he knows he'll be vilified by the managers for doing it. It's easy for managers to hide behind the 'high stakes = high passions' argument. The players are playing for tin pots, same as they always have. I don't believe for a moment that any of them try harder because they're earning more this season than last season. And I don't believe for a moment that their disgusting wealth makes them any more passionate about the game than those who played for peanuts, like Greaves, Moore, Best & co.
If the FA were serious about the respect campaign and about stopping the abuse of officials they would just employ zero tolerance (Richie S knows it :wink
- give everyone fair warning and then enact it - every player swearing at or who otherwise tries to unduly influence or criticise a referee during the course of that matchday's games gets a straight red. Captains only to speak to the ref. We'll see ten five-a-sides on that first weekend and then neither the clubs, the fans or the media will tolerate it again. As long as the officials stick to zero-tolerance the problem is solved, virtually over night. And gobshites like Rooney who can't control themselves will be out of a job.
IMo it is unfortunate that the real power seem to lie with the clubs, not the FA, so the problem will remain until the clubs choose to stop it. Which they won't. It also seems that everyone involved, owners, FA, even the officials themselves, are more concerned with trying to be mates with Wazza, Lamps and Stevie G (etc) and bask in their reflected celebrity than with bringing them into line and instilling a bit of Corinthian spirit and responsibility into them.
If the FA were serious about the respect campaign and about stopping the abuse of officials they would just employ zero tolerance (Richie S knows it :wink
- give everyone fair warning and then enact it - every player swearing at or who otherwise tries to unduly influence or criticise a referee during the course of that matchday's games gets a straight red. Captains only to speak to the ref. We'll see ten five-a-sides on that first weekend and then neither the clubs, the fans or the media will tolerate it again. As long as the officials stick to zero-tolerance the problem is solved, virtually over night. And gobshites like Rooney who can't control themselves will be out of a job.IMo it is unfortunate that the real power seem to lie with the clubs, not the FA, so the problem will remain until the clubs choose to stop it. Which they won't. It also seems that everyone involved, owners, FA, even the officials themselves, are more concerned with trying to be mates with Wazza, Lamps and Stevie G (etc) and bask in their reflected celebrity than with bringing them into line and instilling a bit of Corinthian spirit and responsibility into them.
mano-obe
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Nice story on Rooney here. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...ay-just-2-rate-115875-22854639/#ixzz1BJ4281MA
3Dnata
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When you remember what our players got booked for at Old Trafford after their 2nd goal and VDV got booked for kicking the ball away yesterday, which is a booking offence, it does look rather one sided by trhe officials.
If the refs don't stand up to them they'll keep on doing it.
If the refs don't stand up to them they'll keep on doing it.
shelfsider
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I never understand why refs dont just go into each dressing room at the start of the game and say if any one of you gives me one bit of lip i'll give you a card. Then when the first players says one thing to him show him a yellow and if they surround him show them all a bloody card and send four or five off. Same for mamangers, coaches etc.
Time for some respect in the game.
Time for some respect in the game.
StartingPrice
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:rofl:
I guess the problem is that if the ref sticks to the rules and sends a player off, he knows he'll be vilified by the managers for doing it. It's easy for managers to hide behind the 'high stakes = high passions' argument. The players are playing for tin pots, same as they always have. I don't believe for a moment that any of them try harder because they're earning more this season than last season. And I don't believe for a moment that their disgusting wealth makes them any more passionate about the game than those who played for peanuts, like Greaves, Moore, Best & co.
If the FA were serious about the respect campaign and about stopping the abuse of officials they would just employ zero tolerance (Richie S knows it :wink
IMo it is unfortunate that the real power seem to lie with the clubs, not the FA, so the problem will remain until the clubs choose to stop it. Which they won't. It also seems that everyone involved, owners, FA, even the officials themselves, are more concerned with trying to be mates with Wazza, Lamps and Stevie G (etc) and bask in their reflected celebrity than with bringing them into line and instilling a bit of Corinthian spirit and responsibility into them.
Good post:clap:
Need to look that 'wanker-icon' up again. The players are bad, but the bit that really, really p*sses me orf is Graham Taylor (still) peddling that tired, tired old line about short careers. Yeah, they do...so does everyone else, didn't you notice (it's called lack of job security and no-one having a job for life anymore). The difference is, with footballers (and other sport stars), no matter how banal they are they are almost guaranteed lucrative jobs as pundits, managers, consultants, etc, by the time they finish playing. Graham Taylor, and anyone else who peddles this B*llox, shut the FCUK up and get with reality:roll:
p.s. SP would like to apologise unreservedly for slipping into a foul-mouthed rant in a thread complaining about foul-mouthed rants
nightgoat
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And kicking the FX mic as he went off... I hope Sky send him the bill for a new one...
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Read in the papers that Rafael will probably get a longer ban cause of his rant and reaction, which is right, The FA should look back on matches and if there is abuse fine the players involved a large percentage of there wages after a while they might stop.
I'm not bad SP, been lurking for a while.
I'm not bad SP, been lurking for a while.
StartingPrice
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1) Good to hear it;
2) :think: If I remember rightly, there's bot too much in the way of vegetation on them thar sand dunes in Port-Rush:shrug:
Teemu
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I'm not condoning it in any way but football really does bring the worst out of people. I go to a good university with a lot of intelligent people but when we play football you'd think some of them are complete scumbags. I had one guy threaten to 'cut me' because I kept on going past him, yet I know in real life he's a perfectly nice guy.
I'm incredibly mild-mannered and genuinely don't think I've ever sworn directly at someone I don't know but even I was guilty on one occasion of acting like a complete prick and screaming abuse at the referee. It was so out of character I felt terrible and apologised at the end! In my defence he did turn down the most blatant penalty when the keeper completely wiped me out at 3-2 down against our local rivals...
I'm incredibly mild-mannered and genuinely don't think I've ever sworn directly at someone I don't know but even I was guilty on one occasion of acting like a complete prick and screaming abuse at the referee. It was so out of character I felt terrible and apologised at the end! In my defence he did turn down the most blatant penalty when the keeper completely wiped me out at 3-2 down against our local rivals...
StartingPrice
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Yeah, Teemu, but that still just begs the question. Are you doing that despite your nature because football just has that effecton people? Or are you doing that because it is footall and you see (muppets like) Rooney doing it, but, if it was Rugby you wouldn't do it:shrug:
StartingPrice
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Anyway, back in reality, I found this very interesting article by Graham Poll, which pretty much backs-up everything we have said (Rafael could have gone earlier for brandishing imaginary card, Rooney should have went, even that 2nd Yellow for Rat-Boy was correct and that Vidic should have walked as wellEek):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Rooney-gone-Rafael--I-wish-Id-sent-2005.html
"Mike Dean had no option but to show Rafael da Silva his second yellow card and dismiss him on Sunday at White Hart Lane - and the independent assessor would have been highly critical had he not done so.
Rafael has, rightly in my view, been charged by the FA with improper conduct for his outburst following his red card. The Brazilian has until 6pm on Tuesday to respond.
In the tunnel after the 0-0 draw, Sir Alex Ferguson let Dean know he felt the dismissal was harsh and believed that Rafael's immaturity should have been taken into consideration. Really? Well, the laws of the game do not allow a referee to take a player's age into account and nor should they.
Manchester United and Ferguson should count themselves lucky that they finished the game with 10 men. If the law had been applied on Sunday as it is written - and I believe it should be - Wayne Rooney and Nemanja Vidic should have been taking early baths along with the 20-year-old.
These ugly and clear displays of dissent highlighted that the FA's Respect programme has had little effect.
Rafael received his first yellow for a lunging tackle on Wilson Palacios. The same two players clashed again later and the Brazilian really should have received a second caution for his reaction in brandishing an imaginary card to ensure Palacios was booked.
Dean will reflect when reviewing the video that had he seen Rafael's gesture clearly, he would have sent him off with a second caution.
Rafael was eventually given his marching orders after being caught out of position and made to chase Benoit Assou-Ekotto down the touchline.
In such cases the duty of care lies with the pursuer. So the contact made, however minimal, must be seen as unsporting, leaving Dean with no option but to send Rafael off.
Rooney's reaction was appalling: shouting in Dean's face and using foul language seen by all TV viewers. When you are in such a situation, having already sent one player off, you just try to calm things down.
During United's 4-2 win at Arsenal in February 2005, Rooney infamously swore at me 27 times in the first half alone. Yet I considered my performance in that match to be the finest in all of my 329 Premier League games.
Only now, having stepped away from refereeing, do I realise the damage I may have caused to the game in not sending Rooney off.
Dean was eventually forced to caution Rooney on Sunday as he persistently berated the official. But until the FA take charge of referees and tell them to apply the law, such scenes will not be punished correctly and will occur again and again.
Until I stopped refereeing, I could not see the harm in allowing such blatant dissent to escape punishment. If the FA really want us to believe that their Respect programme is alive and making a difference then they need to change the advice which select group referees receive.
Proof that when players' foul tirades are not dealt with strongly, those players will continue to abuse officials, came in the 85th minute at White Hart Lane on Sunday. The assistant referee who correctly indicated an infringement by Vidic was abused by him.
He, too, should have been dismissed but a referee cannot act if not advised correctly by his assistant. So United continue on their unbeaten run and will only miss Rafael for one match, while Rooney and Vidic are free to berate and belittle match officials."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Rooney-gone-Rafael--I-wish-Id-sent-2005.html
"Mike Dean had no option but to show Rafael da Silva his second yellow card and dismiss him on Sunday at White Hart Lane - and the independent assessor would have been highly critical had he not done so.
Rafael has, rightly in my view, been charged by the FA with improper conduct for his outburst following his red card. The Brazilian has until 6pm on Tuesday to respond.
In the tunnel after the 0-0 draw, Sir Alex Ferguson let Dean know he felt the dismissal was harsh and believed that Rafael's immaturity should have been taken into consideration. Really? Well, the laws of the game do not allow a referee to take a player's age into account and nor should they.
Manchester United and Ferguson should count themselves lucky that they finished the game with 10 men. If the law had been applied on Sunday as it is written - and I believe it should be - Wayne Rooney and Nemanja Vidic should have been taking early baths along with the 20-year-old.
These ugly and clear displays of dissent highlighted that the FA's Respect programme has had little effect.
Rafael received his first yellow for a lunging tackle on Wilson Palacios. The same two players clashed again later and the Brazilian really should have received a second caution for his reaction in brandishing an imaginary card to ensure Palacios was booked.
Dean will reflect when reviewing the video that had he seen Rafael's gesture clearly, he would have sent him off with a second caution.
Rafael was eventually given his marching orders after being caught out of position and made to chase Benoit Assou-Ekotto down the touchline.
In such cases the duty of care lies with the pursuer. So the contact made, however minimal, must be seen as unsporting, leaving Dean with no option but to send Rafael off.
Rooney's reaction was appalling: shouting in Dean's face and using foul language seen by all TV viewers. When you are in such a situation, having already sent one player off, you just try to calm things down.
During United's 4-2 win at Arsenal in February 2005, Rooney infamously swore at me 27 times in the first half alone. Yet I considered my performance in that match to be the finest in all of my 329 Premier League games.
Only now, having stepped away from refereeing, do I realise the damage I may have caused to the game in not sending Rooney off.
Dean was eventually forced to caution Rooney on Sunday as he persistently berated the official. But until the FA take charge of referees and tell them to apply the law, such scenes will not be punished correctly and will occur again and again.
Until I stopped refereeing, I could not see the harm in allowing such blatant dissent to escape punishment. If the FA really want us to believe that their Respect programme is alive and making a difference then they need to change the advice which select group referees receive.
Proof that when players' foul tirades are not dealt with strongly, those players will continue to abuse officials, came in the 85th minute at White Hart Lane on Sunday. The assistant referee who correctly indicated an infringement by Vidic was abused by him.
He, too, should have been dismissed but a referee cannot act if not advised correctly by his assistant. So United continue on their unbeaten run and will only miss Rafael for one match, while Rooney and Vidic are free to berate and belittle match officials."
