Premier League own TV channel

Deggsy56

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#81
And that would kill any competition in football. Utd would earn an absolute fortune and the smaller teams would die.
They already do - which is why players can demand obscene amounts of money. Sky/BT subs help pay their wages. Sky/BT dictate KO times - (ie fuck the fans who can't get home from the late games). "We pay PL obscene figures, they KO to maximize viewing" fuck the travelling fans too!" I can't watch 1230 sat games, work till 215. But I can for 3pms. Blah blah. And round it comes again. Still waiting for Amazon (i subscribe)football package. So fuck sky and BT.
 

Lilbaz

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They already do - which is why players can demand obscene amounts of money. Sky/BT subs help pay their wages. Sky/BT dictate KO times - (ie fuck the fans who can't get home from the late games). "We pay PL obscene figures, they KO to maximize viewing" fuck the travelling fans too!" I can't watch 1230 sat games, work till 215. But I can for 3pms. Blah blah. And round it comes again. Still waiting for Amazon (i subscribe)football package. So fuck sky and BT.
The tv rights are currently split fairly evenly. If it were based on paying to watch your team utd would probably get more money from tv rights than all the other teams in england put together. They are by far the biggest english team supported around the world. They are even bigger than real and barca. They have an estimated 650m fans world wide. We have an estimated 35m.

https://travel.zeelo.co/the-top-15-biggest-and-most-supported-football-teams-in-the-world/
 
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I'd be interested to know if residents of other European countries can watch their respective premier league matches at 3pm and how, if they do, does that effect their attendances?

I mean, on a Saturday we have a maximum of 8 Epl games at 3pm that about 320,000 people attend. There are probably the same again, if not more, who would like to attend but can't for various reasons, that would subscribe to watch their own teams. Seems like a no brainer.
 

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I'd be interested to know if residents of other European countries can watch their respective premier league matches at 3pm and how, if they do, does that effect their attendances?

I mean, on a Saturday we have a maximum of 8 Epl games at 3pm that about 320,000 people attend. There are probably the same again, if not more, who would like to attend but can't for various reasons, that would subscribe to watch their own teams. Seems like a no brainer.
Germany seems about the only one's that fill their stadiums anyway. Even madrid and barca only sell about 70% of tickets. So who knows?
 

hellava_tough

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If I were Amazon/Jeff Bazos I’d buy the Premier League.

I’m serious, I’d buy the whole thing.

Hear me out on this…

You give all 20 clubs a one off payment of £500m (=£10b) and let’s say another £4b for other stakeholders (I don’t know who’s kicking around, but that includes the FA).

You guarantee TV/streaming rights for each of the 20 clubs at £400m a season for the next 3 seasons (£24b). There’d also be a way to maintain high TV /streaming payments for the clubs after that.

You also tell the other 90-odd clubs in the lower leagues that they’ll each get a one-off £20m payment if they lobby for the reversal of the 3pm law (£1.8b). Added to that, you guarantee them all a minimum of £10m a season going forward (£3b for 3 seasons) plus extra streaming rights, etc, if their games are streamed.

So in total, you’re looking at a 3 year outlay of around £43b, but around £16b of that are one off payments. That makes £27b a year in costs going forward.

Now for the income…

You’ve basically got every football game in England now on a on-demand streaming service. Certainly, you’ve got every PL game.

World-wide you could get 200m subscribers paying £12 a month (£2.5b). That’s £30b a year. If you got 250m subscribers you’d have £37.5b a year.

You then add advertising external to Amazon to that and a further boost to Amazon’s brand recognition and the revenues go up even further. £5b, £10b, £15b worldwide a year? There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made with a global advertising platform.

You could be pulling in £50b a year in revenue.

I hope my sums are right lol, but the point is that if you got a company or person who had the capital behind them, they could make astronomical amounts of cash after the initial outlay.

Btw, this model could be repeated in other sports at a fraction of the cost, so subscribers would end up having one subscription and multiple sports to choose from, all at the £12 to £20 a month cost.

Amazon (or whoever) could become the global sports streaming platform.
 

tommyt

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Germany seems about the only one's that fill their stadiums anyway. Even madrid and barca only sell about 70% of tickets. So who knows?
And do you know if Germany and Spain show all their football matches live?
 

WalkerboyUK

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If I were Amazon/Jeff Bazos I’d buy the Premier League.

I’m serious, I’d buy the whole thing.

Hear me out on this…

You give all 20 clubs a one off payment of £500m (=£10b) and let’s say another £4b for other stakeholders (I don’t know who’s kicking around, but that includes the FA).

You guarantee TV/streaming rights for each of the 20 clubs at £400m a season for the next 3 seasons (£24b). There’d also be a way to maintain high TV /streaming payments for the clubs after that.

You also tell the other 90-odd clubs in the lower leagues that they’ll each get a one-off £20m payment if they lobby for the reversal of the 3pm law (£1.8b). Added to that, you guarantee them all a minimum of £10m a season going forward (£3b for 3 seasons) plus extra streaming rights, etc, if their games are streamed.

So in total, you’re looking at a 3 year outlay of around £43b, but around £16b of that are one off payments. That makes £27b a year in costs going forward.

Now for the income…

You’ve basically got every football game in England now on a on-demand streaming service. Certainly, you’ve got every PL game.

World-wide you could get 200m subscribers paying £12 a month (£2.5b). That’s £30b a year. If you got 250m subscribers you’d have £37.5b a year.

You then add advertising external to Amazon to that and a further boost to Amazon’s brand recognition and the revenues go up even further. £5b, £10b, £15b worldwide a year? There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made with a global advertising platform.

You could be pulling in £50b a year in revenue.

I hope my sums are right lol, but the point is that if you got a company or person who had the capital behind them, they could make astronomical amounts of cash after the initial outlay.

Btw, this model could be repeated in other sports at a fraction of the cost, so subscribers would end up having one subscription and multiple sports to choose from, all at the £12 to £20 a month cost.

Amazon (or whoever) could become the global sports streaming platform.
Unfortunately that would be a monopolisation and could never happen...
 

KILLA_SIN

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#90
If I were Amazon/Jeff Bazos I’d buy the Premier League.

I’m serious, I’d buy the whole thing.

Hear me out on this…

You give all 20 clubs a one off payment of £500m (=£10b) and let’s say another £4b for other stakeholders (I don’t know who’s kicking around, but that includes the FA).

You guarantee TV/streaming rights for each of the 20 clubs at £400m a season for the next 3 seasons (£24b). There’d also be a way to maintain high TV /streaming payments for the clubs after that.

You also tell the other 90-odd clubs in the lower leagues that they’ll each get a one-off £20m payment if they lobby for the reversal of the 3pm law (£1.8b). Added to that, you guarantee them all a minimum of £10m a season going forward (£3b for 3 seasons) plus extra streaming rights, etc, if their games are streamed.

So in total, you’re looking at a 3 year outlay of around £43b, but around £16b of that are one off payments. That makes £27b a year in costs going forward.

Now for the income…

You’ve basically got every football game in England now on a on-demand streaming service. Certainly, you’ve got every PL game.

World-wide you could get 200m subscribers paying £12 a month (£2.5b). That’s £30b a year. If you got 250m subscribers you’d have £37.5b a year.

You then add advertising external to Amazon to that and a further boost to Amazon’s brand recognition and the revenues go up even further. £5b, £10b, £15b worldwide a year? There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made with a global advertising platform.

You could be pulling in £50b a year in revenue.

I hope my sums are right lol, but the point is that if you got a company or person who had the capital behind them, they could make astronomical amounts of cash after the initial outlay.

Btw, this model could be repeated in other sports at a fraction of the cost, so subscribers would end up having one subscription and multiple sports to choose from, all at the £12 to £20 a month cost.

Amazon (or whoever) could become the global sports streaming platform.
Why would you ever want one person to own everything ? And they would more likely put the price up

Nd in Germany don’t they pay around half of what we do for a ticket
 
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DiscoD1882

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If it were me i would do a 30 minute delay on showing the game. that way its not live live. but people can still watch it if they dont go to the game.
 

hellava_tough

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Why would you ever want one person to own everything ? And they would more likely put the price up

Nd in Germany don’t they pay around half of what we do for a ticket
I wouldn't necessarily want that to happen; just trying to to get in the mindset of some of these big-business types, to explore new scenarios
 

hellava_tough

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Unfortunately that would be a monopolisation and could never happen...
You're probably right.

That said, aren't monopolies only illegal if it doesn't benefit the consumer?

The lawyers would argue that a lot of people would benefit, whether or not it was actually true.
 

Lilbaz

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Based on this, in Germany every Budesliga game is broadcast live:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bundesliga_broadcasters

I think Spain is a bit different though, as the clubs negotiate their own deals, hence Barca & Real monopolising.
Spain now has collective rights. But it will take years before the money will balance out as the clubs were all promised that they would not make less from the tv deal than they did in their last.
 

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You're probably right.

That said, aren't monopolies only illegal if it doesn't benefit the consumer?

The lawyers would argue that a lot of people would benefit, whether or not it was actually true.
Can't benefit the customer when one company/person can charge whatever they want, as customer will have no alternative.
 

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Don't pay for BT or Sky Sports anymore as they don't show every game.

A Premier League Netflix style platform I'd subscribe to.
 
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If I were Amazon/Jeff Bazos I’d buy the Premier League.

I’m serious, I’d buy the whole thing.

Hear me out on this…

You give all 20 clubs a one off payment of £500m (=£10b) and let’s say another £4b for other stakeholders (I don’t know who’s kicking around, but that includes the FA).

You guarantee TV/streaming rights for each of the 20 clubs at £400m a season for the next 3 seasons (£24b). There’d also be a way to maintain high TV /streaming payments for the clubs after that.

You also tell the other 90-odd clubs in the lower leagues that they’ll each get a one-off £20m payment if they lobby for the reversal of the 3pm law (£1.8b). Added to that, you guarantee them all a minimum of £10m a season going forward (£3b for 3 seasons) plus extra streaming rights, etc, if their games are streamed.

So in total, you’re looking at a 3 year outlay of around £43b, but around £16b of that are one off payments. That makes £27b a year in costs going forward.

Now for the income…

You’ve basically got every football game in England now on a on-demand streaming service. Certainly, you’ve got every PL game.

World-wide you could get 200m subscribers paying £12 a month (£2.5b). That’s £30b a year. If you got 250m subscribers you’d have £37.5b a year.

You then add advertising external to Amazon to that and a further boost to Amazon’s brand recognition and the revenues go up even further. £5b, £10b, £15b worldwide a year? There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made with a global advertising platform.

You could be pulling in £50b a year in revenue.

I hope my sums are right lol, but the point is that if you got a company or person who had the capital behind them, they could make astronomical amounts of cash after the initial outlay.

Btw, this model could be repeated in other sports at a fraction of the cost, so subscribers would end up having one subscription and multiple sports to choose from, all at the £12 to £20 a month cost.

Amazon (or whoever) could become the global sports streaming platform.
The premier league could become the global sports steaming platform.

The revenue generated from PremFlix as we've been calling it in the office, the sole place to see the biggest and most valuable league in the world could the revenue not just to enrich the premier league clubs but could use that revenue to outbid almost anyone for sporting rights. In theory every premier league club could generate revenue from La Liga, UCL, Copa Libertadores and so on.

Take a conservative initial take-up of 25 million global subs (Netflix 139 million, Amazon 100 million) at £14.99 a month would net £4.4 billion per annum pre tax. Obviously there are infrastructure costs associated with this but that is when you bring on a technical sponsor, like Alphabet to mitigate some of that.
 

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I used to subscribe to the full sky package and BT Sport. It just got too expensive for what it was worth.
Now I have NOW TV and buy a day pass to watch Spurs games or a monthly pass if there's something big going on like the IPL.
Saved a fortune!
 

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If it were me i would do a 30 minute delay on showing the game. that way its not live live. but people can still watch it if they dont go to the game.
How would that work when they aren't allowed to broadcast any football between 3-5 PM on Saturdays?
 

Gb160

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I used to subscribe to the full sky package and BT Sport. It just got too expensive for what it was worth.
Now I have NOW TV and buy a day pass to watch Spurs games or a monthly pass if there's something big going on like the IPL.
Saved a fortune!
I like the idea of NowTV, but its 25fps...which is crap when you watch it on a big telly.
 
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