Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[leelee]

man what the fuck are you talking about

The absolute minimum any fan should expect from a player at their club is to be motivated enough to at least be fit. It isn't that hard is it? I'm fit and I work a 9-5 stuck at a desk ffs!

The fact this player is not willing to get himself fit enough to play a 90 minute game of football while pocketing 200K a week from our club is the blatant disrespect the poster is talking about. It's a f'ing disgrace! At least Winks is fit enough and willing to give his all for the badge and us fans, yet the hate on this site towards him is ridiculous.

 

[Freddie]

Not sure he's as overweight as many make out, but he does seem to be blowing hard pretty much from the outset in games and questions have to be asked as to why he can't seem to play for more than an hour. Having said that the same questions need to be asked of Lo Celso. Even for Argentina when he's playing very well ALWAYS seems to come off at the same time (but gets less stick presumably because he doesn't look as big?)

 

[Finchyid]

He’s had more of an impact on the team the lo celso in my opinion, he has come on and changed games. Gio out of the two looks more likely to be be the bigger flop

I agree ndombele looks like he can make things happen, lo celso just runs about slowly imo

 

[kieranfitchett]

stick with him, there's a serious player in there, the mourinho version of ndombele seemed to be incredibly restricted in terms of what he was allowed to do in order to retain the midfield's structure, shown by how much less influential he was once he was pushed back alongside hojbjerg, it's a make or break season for him, but we need to give him another 12 months at least.

 

[FuturistiC123]

Ndombele has had fitness problems at previous clubs; he is obviously talented, but I've seen nothing that convinces me that he can do even half of what Dele has done in the past, in terms of assists or great goals. Dele lost his way, and he needs to regain form; Ndombele has never shown any consistency. Lo Celso just had a great international tournament; France left Ndombele out, when even Sissoko got a gig. We need our better players to perform now, not in 12 months time.

 

[Russ1201]

Can we have Son's dad move in with Ndombele?

We need Son's dad as fitness coach?

 

[glacierSpurs]

Here we go again with the Tanguy's fat, Tanguy doesn't try hard, wasted talent, etc etc posts.

Because he's been here for more than 2 years already. How much more time does he need to get used to the pace, the fitness required of this league etc etc etc? He's not involved in the Euro and his last competitive involvements were merely 10-20 minutes sub appearances in the last 5 league match of last season. He was not even in the matchday squad in the last game against Leicester.

Son's only been back for 2 days, not considering any jetlag if he's actually flown in from South Korea, and he played in Colchester scoring one goal less than 48 hours later. That is a prime example of professionalism and this feat should really be announced everywhere as a fine example for all sportspersons to follow.

A lot of us fans appreciate the effort more than the actual capabilities of the players - you see it from our hurt of players like Lamela, Dawsom, Sandro, Holtby, Soldado etc leaving. And when players of talents are actually not fulfilling what everyone thinks they could, it is especially frustrating.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I'll give him this season to prove his potential. He's miles better than Lo Celso imo.

I think they’ve both been disappointing, given how much we paid for both. I’d be fine if we kept them for another season to see if Santos can get anything out of them, but equally I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we sold them and reinvested the funds. That’s hardly an inspiring endorsement of either of them, but let’s face it- if they played for any of our opponents, I don’t think we’d be fearful coming up against them

 

[spids]

Have I missed ITK that said he came back overweight or are people just speculating because he has not appeared in the first two pre-season friendlies (along with Reguilon, Sessegnon, Doherty, Lamela, Aurier, etc.)?

There are multiple reasons players may not have appeared yet.

1. Minor injuries picked up in training.
2. Player on verge of exit.
3. Worked really hard in training to improve aspects of fitness.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Have I missed ITK that said he came back overweight or are people just speculating because he has not appeared in the first two pre-season friendlies (along with Reguilon, Sessegnon, Doherty, Lamela, Aurier, etc.)?

There are multiple reasons players may not have appeared yet.

1. Minor injuries picked up in training.
2. Player on verge of exit.
3. Worked really hard in training to improve aspects of fitness.

it could literally be anything. But instead people are making up a narrative in their head and getting angry when they know absolutely nothing about the situation.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

stick with him, there's a serious player in there, the mourinho version of ndombele seemed to be incredibly restricted in terms of what he was allowed to do in order to retain the midfield's structure, shown by how much less influential he was once he was pushed back alongside hojbjerg, it's a make or break season for him, but we need to give him another 12 months at least.

the trouble being that he wasn't very influential when he played further forward in fact he hasn't been anywhere he has played

 

[spursfan77]

Here we go again with the Tanguy's fat, Tanguy doesn't try hard, wasted talent, etc etc posts.

He‘s not fat, but he’s not fucking fit is he?

Hasnt played in either preseason match despite training all week.

Honestly, I can’t believe people still defend him. He’s up there behind sissoko and Dier for the players I’d sell first. Unfortunately we would struggle to get a third of what we paid for him because people will have seen he can’t compete in a top league. On top of that he’s one of our highest paid players. We wouldn’t miss him at all if he were sold and the money invested properly back into the squad.

 

[jay2040]

Have I missed ITK that said he came back overweight or are people just speculating because he has not appeared in the first two pre-season friendlies (along with Reguilon, Sessegnon, Doherty, Lamela, Aurier, etc.)?

There are multiple reasons players may not have appeared yet.

1. Minor injuries picked up in training.
2. Player on verge of exit.
3. Worked really hard in training to improve aspects of fitness.

Not missed ITK, just basing it on his demeanour over the last 2 seasons.

 

[Stamford]

No one knows he's unfit currently, just getting their knickers in a twist

 

[spursfan77]

Perhaps... Maybe... Potentially... they have him, plus a few others on a different fitness regime. One that can get them past whatever physical threshold has been holding them back. Plus, could be that he is carrying a small issue or two, and therefore they don't want to risk further aggravating a possible problem, before the season kicks off.

My guess is, we'll see him feature a lot in the Arsenal/Chelsea pre-season friendlies.

Would it surprise anyone that he's getting special attention this pre-season? After all, isn't he one of the top 3 best paid players at the club? He's our most expensive transfer ever. And over the last two years, he has 1) Taken time to settle being in England, during a pandemic 2) Went through two very different managers 3) Struggled with injuries and fitness in year 1... which then resulted in 4) Lack of confidence and application.

It's clear to see, that when he is in full flow, he's breathtaking. Sadly, this side of him has been very inconsistent. Not just game-to-game, but also within games.

Nuno, his staff, and the DoF, all know much more about players than the peanut gallery here on SC. I would suspect they all view him as extremely talented. But to maximize his potential, they have to do something different from his prior two preseasons. As clearly it hasn't clicked. But if Nuno, et al can get him to play to the best of his ability on a consistent basis, that would be phenomenal.

Based on the system we're seeing so far, it looks like a variety of: 433 (defensively), 4213 (transition-thru to-attack), and a 343 (in attack). From what I can tell, I think Dele was playing the role which would sit on the left of right side of the 433 in midfield when defending. Then take up a floating number 10 role when transitioning the ball upfield. That feels like a perfect position for Tanguy. If they can get the best out of him.

But his goals and assists aren’t good enough. We can’t carry him as a passenger and build the team around him. As Poch said “we aren’t a charity”.

 

[spursfan77]

No one knows he's unfit currently, just getting their knickers in a twist

But for once it would be nice if it wasn’t always him who put the doubt in people‘s mind wouldn’t it?

 

[glacierSpurs]

Nobody here is making up any narratives or agendas and not hoping he not succeed. Hilarious on that notion. Just look back to pages 620 onwards and we were literally talking about the same thing last year. This is not something new that some of us just came up with. He also missed the first 3 preseason games last year. No idea how difficult it is for him to even play some friendly preseason ffs.

 

[JacoZA]

• He featured in 20 of our 23 Prem matches in 2021.
• He started 17 of the 20.
• He averaged 79 minutes on the field in the matches he started.
• Completed a full 90 in 6.
• Played less than 75 in 4.

EDIT: I messed up - these are Prem-only stats. So I changed it to 23 matches.

 

[Trees]

I’m the first one in our house that moans about Ndombele. However, I am prepared to give him some slack until we know why he isn’t starting pre seasons. It could special fitness regimen, muscle tightness, anything, etc.

 

[spursfan77]

• He featured in 20 of our 32 matches in 2021.
• He started 17 of the 20.
• He averaged 79 minutes on the field in the matches he started.
• Completed a full 90 in 6.
• Played less than 75 in 4.

How did Hojbjerg do in comparison?

Because that’s what he should be measured against.