Player Watch: Serge Aurier

[Tottenhamboy85]

The one that Pulisic headed out that didn't actually make it to Lamela's head?

That's not a key pass, that's an incomplete cross.

Actually if you look Lamela headed it out but it hit pulisic first so does go as a incomplete cross

 

[spurs mental]

The one that Pulisic headed out that didn't actually make it to Lamela's head?

That's not a key pass, that's an incomplete cross.

Hold tight to those straws.

 

[allatsea]

I think the problem with fan's perception of all the FBs is that they are all absolutely adequate players for the general standard and standing of team and club, but not one is much better than that.

Playing FB in the system of Poch is an utterly demanding task and only really, really unforgettable FBs, of which there are only a handful at a time, can carry out the position in the way Pochettino wants and to the level fans would like. Issue for us though, is that we only have adequate FBs, but not even one FB that's better than fully acceptable.

When you have four players that are fit for rotation, and not even one of the quality of a class act (apart from Vertonghen, who doesn't play there), as fans you get frustrated with each and every one of them. In reality, I think we are lucky with the fact that we have sourced those four FBs that we do have. It could have been much worse. And I don't fully agree with the general fans frustration surrounding those positions. However, it would be sweet to land an actual, tangible upgrade. Question is though, who would that be?

I don’t believe their is one fullback that is outstanding in the PL.

 

[Paolo10]

Hold tight to those straws.

Hardly clutching at straws when it's not even a completed pass.

 

[Shadydan]

Actually if you look Lamela headed it out but it hit pulisic first so does go as a incomplete cross

That's why stats are meaningless without context.

 

[G Ron]

The one that Pulisic headed out that didn't actually make it to Lamela's head?

That's not a key pass, that's an incomplete cross.

Oh do us a favour Paolo - that cross was a strikers dream. Just a shame it fell to Lamela who closed his eyes and was more concerned about the defenders flailing boot than nodding the ball into an empty net.

 

[Paolo10]

It's pretty simple, a pass needs to go to a teammate before anyone else touches the ball for it to be a complete pass.

It just so happens that Serge has the worst passing accuracy and key pass frequency of any of our full backs...as well as the highest amount of times dispossessed and fouls per game.

 

[spurs mental]

It's pretty simple, a pass needs to go to a teammate before anyone else touches the ball for it to be a complete pass.

It just so happens that Serge has the worst passing accuracy and key pass frequency of any of our full backs...as well as the highest amount of times dispossessed and fouls per game.

You're boring the shit out of everyone. He had a good game on Tuesday. If you can't see that you're blind.

 

[JCRD]

The one that Pulisic headed out that didn't actually make it to Lamela's head?

That's not a key pass, that's an incomplete cross.

Fucking nfl

 

[thebenjamin]

Can we have a separate Paolo / Trippier thread?! Every full back thread is the same conversion.

 

[Paolo10]

If people are going to talk a load of shite about the quality of Aurier's delivery/passing, while also criticising Trippier in almost the same breath, don't be surprised if I disagree and voice an opinion. Ignoring statistical facts here to suit arguments.

 

[Khilari]

Thought Aurier had a very good game against Dortmund. I'm not sure how anyone can expect him to have racked up many decent attacking stats in a match where we defended for the large majority of the game, had only 5 shots compared to their 19 and conceding 2/3 possession.

He showed good defensive discipline positionally - but was still lazy at times with poor tracking back (around 20min, Reus steps past him and passed out to the wing then continued his run to the box, Serge just walked back and Reus was free on the edge of the area to shoot, which thankfully took a deflection off the wall that was Davinson Sanchéz that night).

He's not quite blood, thunder and guts and might explain why Trippier plays over him on many occasions but he adds something different and had a good game.

 

[Khilari]

If people are going to talk a load of shite about the quality of Aurier's delivery/passing, while also criticising Trippier in almost the same breath, don't be surprised if I disagree and voice an opinion. Ignoring statistical facts here to suit arguments.

This is the problem though, isn't it? The way you argue your points means you equate "statistical facts" with a true and good reflection of the overall picture. Surely you accept that you choosing certain statistics is only representative of one (tiny) aspect of a game?

Ultimately, all of these analyses are opinion, which is why different players win MOTM awards for the same game, get different player ratings - so attempting to claim someone else's opinion is "shite" is quite a tough one to prove.

 

[Paolo10]

Not sure if you're serious, one of our full backs almost creates as much as our best creative midfielder.

If we're discussing what both bring to the table when attacking, key passes are a big part of a full backs game and passing accuracy counts for a team that plays possession football.

You can't admit that Trippier's a far better football technically than Aurier? If they're both similarly poor defenders, surely the attacking aspect of their game counts quite a lot?

 

[Shadydan]

How do you quantify a stat for when a player goes to sleep defensively or lets a player run in behind him, oh that's right you can't mainly because it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Not to down Trippier here but the purpose is to poke holes in your logic and reasoning which is utter bullshit, you know it - everyone knows it.

 

[JCRD]

If people are going to talk a load of shite about the quality of Aurier's delivery/passing, while also criticising Trippier in almost the same breath, don't be surprised if I disagree and voice an opinion. Ignoring statistical facts here to suit arguments.

I have an issue with statistics in that there is no context of the game. The fact is we were not going all out to attack. We were settling on defending with the odd counter and that worked.

 

[punkisback]

People think praising one player is slagging of their preferred player. Should we not be happy when someone plays well?

 

[mpickard2087]

I have rarely agreed with Paolo on any subject over the years and I don't get his diehard defence on this subject in general, I think the stats argument he is using (about that cross in particular) is silly, and I have never been a big fan of Trippier even in his good moments, but he is about right on the narrative.

Lets be honest guys, I have seen plenty of games recently where Trippier has had a solid enough, odd highlight, but fairly uninspiring 6/10 game. Yet the pile on from a lot of posters about poor positioning, poor defending, switching off, every attack coming down his flank and getting targeted etc. etc. You cant say Aurier's game was any different the other night - no major errors, couple of good involvements, but you could quibble lots about his positioning and some of the decisions he makes and most attacks were down his flank. Instead though it's all plaudits.

I have no problem with picking anyone's game apart to the nth degree and wanting impossibly high standards. I do it all the time, but at least attempt to be consistent with it if you do.

 

[wrd]

I have rarely agreed with Paolo on any subject over the years and I don't get his diehard defence on this subject in general, I think the stats argument he is using (about that cross in particular) is silly, and I have never been a big fan of Trippier even in his good moments, but he is about right on the narrative.

Lets be honest guys, I have seen plenty of games recently where Trippier has had a solid enough, odd highlight, but fairly uninspiring 6/10 game. Yet the pile on from a lot of posters about poor positioning, poor defending, switching off, every attack coming down his flank and getting targeted etc. etc. You cant say Aurier's game was any different the other night - no major errors, couple of good involvements, but you could quibble lots about his positioning and some of the decisions he makes and most attacks were down his flank. Instead though it's all plaudits.

I have no problem with picking anyone's game apart to the nth degree and wanting impossibly high standards. I do it all the time, but at least attempt to be consistent with it if you do.

Honestly, people are just saying he had a good game, the detractors are making out like people are saying he was the second coming of Cafu and not simply just "he had a good game" 6/10 is about the going rate for good surely? It was the same during the Arsenal game with Trippier he had a good game, the main comment being he overhit crosses, which contextually is important because we spent 70 minutes 1-0 down not defending a 3-0 first leg lead.

 

[mpickard2087]

Honestly, people are just saying he had a good game, the detractors are making out like people are saying he was the second coming of Cafu and not simply just "he had a good game" 6/10 is about the going rate for good surely? It was the same during the Arsenal game with Trippier he had a good game, the main comment being he overhit crosses, which contextually is important because we spent 70 minutes 1-0 down not defending a 3-0 first leg lead.

If that's your opinion fair enough, personally I'd say it was an average/alright performance but everyone is different.

My point was though that I've seen plenty of evidence in the last few weeks/months where on a performance like that, to the criteria I mentioned, Trippier would be/has been getting hammered for it by many fans.