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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

wrd

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If that's your opinion fair enough, personally I'd say it was an average/alright performance but everyone is different.

My point was though that I've seen plenty of evidence in the last few weeks/months where on a performance like that, to the criteria I mentioned, Trippier would be/has been getting hammered for it by many fans.

Well we had the same opinion, 6/10 and I understand your point and if I'm honest I think you're picking and choosing points to remember because Aurier has been rippled to shreds similarly and you only have to look at the games vs Burnley, Arsenal away and Watford at home to see people have had similar vitriol to Aurier. So personally I don't see how you can come to that conclusion without completely ignoring half of what people post about Aurier.

My opinion is that there's 1 poster who I think tbf to him just enjoys winding people up, has objected heavily to the criticism thrown trippiers way and claimed that people having a personal vendetta against Trippier whilst simultaneously doing the very thing he complains about towards Aurier. I think that has led people to exaggerate their disdain for Trippier whilst exaggerating Auriers abilities. I feel sorry a bit for Trippier as people wouldn't be so hypercritical of him had a lot of posters not get their nose bent out of place. It's not the first time this has happened with players either. BC used to piss people off with his staunch criticisms of some players whilst giving other players a free pass when they fucked up.
 

Khilari

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Not sure if you're serious, one of our full backs almost creates as much as our best creative midfielder.

If we're discussing what both bring to the table when attacking, key passes are a big part of a full backs game and passing accuracy counts for a team that plays possession football.

You can't admit that Trippier's a far better football technically than Aurier? If they're both similarly poor defenders, surely the attacking aspect of their game counts quite a lot?
I assume that was a reply to my post earlier - then I'm not sure what my admitting anything has to do with your post. My point was that statistics aren't always a great description of a players overall abilities.

I don't know if Trippier is a far better football player than Aurier technically because neither have I been a professional, nor do I have any coaching credentials nor have I been involved in teaching or training people on how to play football.

Do I think, as an overall judgement whether Trippier is better than Aurier? Probably. Is that something you can say categorically? No. And it's clearly not the case since Pochettino plays both players in games for a variety of reasons. They clearly add something to a team in certain circumstances.
 

Khilari

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If that's your opinion fair enough, personally I'd say it was an average/alright performance but everyone is different.

My point was though that I've seen plenty of evidence in the last few weeks/months where on a performance like that, to the criteria I mentioned, Trippier would be/has been getting hammered for it by many fans.
I accept this point and agree that as a fan base (and we're not unique) we do enjoy scapegoating. Trippier was getting a lot of stick from fans in the NLD, which I didn't think was unfair itself but he has in recent games tended to be subject to quite a lot of singling out when things have gone wrong.

It was Sissoko before (I admit to being involved in that) and reminds me a little of the 'Jenas' scapegoating days. Trippier isn't hitting the heights he did last season and the summer, which I'm sure he's aware of but I do agree that he seems to get a lot more stick than many other players.
 

Paolo10

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Unsure if you're being facetious or not, but that's 6 points in Fantasy Football for a clean sheet as a defender and playing more than 60 minutes.

6/10 would only be average in ratings, which is pretty much what Serge was on Tuesday with one poor half and one decent half of football IMO and would be the rating I'd have given him.
 

spurs mental

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Unsure if you're being facetious or not, but that's 6 points in Fantasy Football for a clean sheet as a defender and playing more than 60 minutes.

6/10 would only be average in ratings, which is pretty much what Serge was on Tuesday with one poor half and one decent half of football IMO and would be the rating I'd have given him.

Surely 5/10 would be average as it's half way between 0 and 10 so 6 is slightly above average right?
 

Paolo10

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Surely 5/10 would be average as it's half way between 0 and 10 so 6 is slightly above average right?

6 has pretty much always been the given rating for average in football historically in media (Newspaper reports used to give a key for numbers and ratings and they usually went from 2 or 3-10 IIRC, 3 usually being 'Abysmal').

Even in our ratings threads I've yet to see a '0' I think, although I'm sure if anyone got one it would be Trippier from his fan club.

(That's why mostly 3's and 4's in the ratings thread are usually for utter morons IMO)

Edit: (Sadly and somewhat predictably) We have had multiple 0's given to Lloris, Trippier, Eriksen etc. I don't think I've even seen an actual zero in a news/media sports report, maybe Cantona when he flykicked that fan from the Sun or something.
 
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BringBack_leGin

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The treatment all of our fullbacks get is ridiculous.

Rose is consistently seem as our highest quality because people like his dynamism, pace and aggression, but he actually assists the fewest amount of goals and fails to stop the most crosses.

Trippier is panned for lack of athleticism, poor decisions and ‘being a target’ (whatever that means), yet somehow was our outright first choice during the most consistent 18 months in our modern history, seeing us finish 2nd then 3rd.

Aurier is criticised for poor awareness, awful intelligence and lack of understanding with his teammates but when has he actually had a run in the side to develop any kind of form or confidence. Has nobody learnt from Sissoko?

Davies is criticised for offering nothing going forward and yet last season was the top assisting full back in the league bar none.

Maybe the demands on the modern fullback are greater than ever with the way managers now use them, and somewhat like forwards, there are very few who can do it all, much in the same way that Defoe doesn’t have Kane’s ability to bring others into play, Keane didn’t have Kane’s power and aerial dominance, Berbatov didn’t have Kane’s work rate or shot accuracy, Sheringham didn’t have Kane’s ability to beat a man or ability to run the channels... were these bad forwards or just not complete forwards?
 

Everlasting Seconds

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The treatment all of our fullbacks get is ridiculous.

Rose is consistently seem as our highest quality because people like his dynamism, pace and aggression, but he actually assists the fewest amount of goals and fails to stop the most crosses.

Trippier is panned for lack of athleticism, poor decisions and ‘being a target’ (whatever that means), yet somehow was our outright first choice during the most consistent 18 months in our modern history, seeing us finish 2nd then 3rd.

Aurier is criticised for poor awareness, awful intelligence and lack of understanding with his teammates but when has he actually had a run in the side to develop any kind of form or confidence. Has nobody learnt from Sissoko?

Davies is criticised for offering nothing going forward and yet last season was the top assisting full back in the league bar none.

Maybe the demands on the modern fullback are greater than ever with the way managers now use them, and somewhat like forwards, there are very few who can do it all, much in the same way that Defoe doesn’t have Kane’s ability to bring others into play, Keane didn’t have Kane’s power and aerial dominance, Berbatov didn’t have Kane’s work rate or shot accuracy, Sheringham didn’t have Kane’s ability to beat a man or ability to run the channels... were these bad forwards or just not complete forwards?
You are correct. FBs are very visible players in-game, especially if watching on the TV screen. You see the a lot, because marauding down the flank makes for good television. But it also brings them into scrutiny, and usually every minus accounts for something, whilst every plus goes unnoticed. We have several fairly decent FBs, and yes one could imagine upgrading on one of them, but boiling it down to real life possibilities, who would the upgrade be who could meet the expectations of fans?
 

double0

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Can we improve on our wingbacks ? Y E S.

Trippier has been poor and hasn't shown any indication of improvement, he can't defend one on one and what was his saving grace going forward is becoming poor.

Aurier hasn't been given a run of games to cement his place.

Davies is actually a good defender, going forward though he's not as dynamic as Rose.

Rose has faults like his final ball but you get aggression athleticism power 100 %
 

dtxspurs

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Assuming we've seen the last of him in a Spurs shirt. What injury does he even have?

Will be very interested to see where he ends up this summer and what kind of fee we can get for him.
 

thebenjamin

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Gone under the radar that hes not really ever fit. Seems to be constantly injured. Shame as there is a player in there somewhere, but another recent transfer failure that absolutely needs to be sold.
 

spursfan77

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Can’t see him here next season. No idea where he’d go or who’d take him. He seems quite egotistical so won’t want to drop down the PL and will want a champions league club. Got a bad feeling we will be left with him unless we take a hit on the price and we don’t do that.
 

Shadydan

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Gone under the radar that hes not really ever fit. Seems to be constantly injured. Shame as there is a player in there somewhere, but another recent transfer failure that absolutely needs to be sold.

He was ever present last season, I don't think we can take this season's injuries as him being constantly injured.
 

Dharmabum

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I can't blame Pochettino for going for him as 1) Levy love bargains and Aurier had to potential to have been one 2) Poch most probably believed he could "correct" Aurier's attitude. I am sure if he'd got the right attitude he'd be a top RB....but, by reading some of those article about him, I doubt he's got the right attitude ...
20 - 25M is a fair price of him I reckon but I would sell him for a little less even. If clubs are willing to pay 30-35M for Trippier, then Spurs should sell both and go for Wan-Bissaka who'll cost around 45-50M.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...-Hencha-Voigt-facing-trial-sex-tape-plot.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...t-partner-hours-defeat-Manchester-United.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-s-Serge-Aurier-urged-grow-Didier-Drogba.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Germain-defender-attacked-police-officer.html
 
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