Player Watch Player Watch: Radu Dragusin

[jurgen11]

There’s the melody at least!

Would love a full stadium singing along to that.

Puff the Magic Dragusin
Plays for THFC
Alongside Cuti or VDV
In a land called Haringey

 

[spurslenny]

Puff the Magic Dragusin
Plays for THFC
Alongside Cuti or VDV
In a land called Haringey

Well I'm singing it even if no one else does

 

[mil1lion]

Surely a move to Serie A is better than Lique 1. Also since its a loan for Spence I can't see how that impacts this one. Unless there's a loan fee somewhere but it shouldn't be difficult to get this one done regardless.

 

[Guernman]

Deals like this can fall apart at any point. Players, agents and clubs will always rightly look out for their own interests. It's why it's ridiculous to think that we could have gotten the player immediately, lined up the deal before the window, just paid the asking price etc. There is no fixed asking price, this wasn't a player they were looking to sell and Genoa were never going to do us any favours. If we went in with 30 million, they would think, great, we can fleece more off these mugs. They would still be looking to delay, to start a bidding war, just as his agent is literally obliged to do. If they didn't they wouldn't be doing their jobs.

And even now, If Bayern will pay more than us, then the player will probably go to them. They are a bigger club, and would always likely trump us, just as we do to other clubs - Everton and Danjuma for example. It's just the way things are. The player/agent will be telling us what we want to hear (I definitely want you guys etc) but can easily be saying the same thing to Bayern. Why not keep options open, it's what we do too. If I was his agent I would be telling him that it doesn't look like Bayern are going to pay the same amount, so keep Spurs sweet for now. He clearly wants to come to us, but doesn't mean he wouldn't take a better option if it appeared.

If it goes tits up, doesn't mean it's Levy's fault either. There are a lot of parties who are all interested only in their best outcomes. And we should always be taking any information from ITK or anywhere else with a pinch of salt, not because they are not passing on what they hear in good faith (clearly they are, and we are all immensely grateful for it!) but because there is brinkmanship going on at every level of these deals. Clubs, agents and players aren't always going to be completely honest and transparent with each other, if ever.

But if there is one thing I am pretty sure about, it's that for Genoa, the magical key to this whole sorry transfer saga will not be securing the services of Djed Spence

 

[tubbygold]

Puff the Magic Dragusin
Plays for THFC
Alongside Cuti or VDV
In a land called Haringey

Please make this happen!

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Surely a move to Serie A is better than Lique 1. Also since its a loan for Spence I can't see how that impacts this one. Unless there's a loan fee somewhere but it shouldn't be difficult to get this one done regardless.

why we worried about spence ?

 

[HildoSpur]

I completely disagree.

I was one of the people going mental last night. I'm still quite frustrated today. The deal is not a particularly expensive one. You have a group of players who are currently giving their all for the Club. A manager who, by chance (he wasn't Levy's first choice by all accounts), is one of the best things to happen to us in years and at the same time you have a crisis which arguably began during the last window when we fucked up by not signing CB cover.

That Davies and Emerson have given their all and performed admirably and that our results haven't spiralled as they probably should have given our absentees, means that Levy is allowed to get away with yet another fuck up this window. That being, not having a CB signed early. We are now racing to get this done in time for the weekend, which will be mid-January and that is what is unacceptable.

And all that, for what? To save 3-5m euro? What if this guy isn't signed before United and we lose to a mistake from Emerson at the weekend? What if, at the end of the season, we miss out on CL football by 1 point? Will we look to blame a player or the manager for any single mistake? Or will we actually look back at this monumental, in my opinion, fuck up in not signing a CB early enough.

As I pointed out last night, it's also a matter of showing appreciation to your coaching staff who are working wonders. They are in desperate need of help from the recruitment team and I can just imagine Ange chomping at the bits to know if he'll have a fit, recognised CB for the weekend, only to keep hearing "we're negotiating how to pay that final 5m". That's been the case for a good few weeks now, I should add.

So that's where my personal fury at Levy emanates from. Especially as this is not the first time this has happened and especially when one considers that we have/had left ourselves open to a Bayern coming in at the last. As Liverpool did in the recent past, I might add.

Bring pretty harsh here I think. If we can bring this kid in and have him registered and ready to go for the Utd match then we will have signed a good quality, young defender ready for the first league game of 2024. With this and Werner coming in who nobody expected, that's potentially two (hopefully) very good players in key positions we have strengthened. If I had been offered this situation at the start of the window I'd have snapped your hand off. PLUS we might actually sell Dier for a small fee.

 

[HildoSpur]

why we worried about spence ?

Some people are worried that Dragusin signing is dependent on Spence moving the other way which is almost certainly not true.

 

[kd2000]

Surely a move to Serie A is better than Lique 1. Also since its a loan for Spence I can't see how that impacts this one. Unless there's a loan fee somewhere but it shouldn't be difficult to get this one done regardless.

There may well be no loan fee as such, but there could feasibly have been a caveat on the fee we agreed.
Perhaps £25million plus spence on Loan with us waiving a loan fee to agree the fee we did.

 

[absolute bobbins]

You seem quite emotional about this...

Yeah a combination of the exasperation and the slightest of chuckles after instead of working through work emails whilst on my Peloton this morning I was reading through 20+ pages of utter tripe, stemming from a bunch of overly invested nitwits who were manipulated and whipped up into a frothy fervour by the one profession estate agents look down on.

 

[rebrab]

Calm - Genoa are really expecting him to go this window. If we get him he'll be a Fab addition, probably 1600 more twists and turns along the way though

 

[Gingernut]

Plays for THFC
Alongside Cuti or VDV
In a land called Haringey

Ive got this stuck in my head now!

 

[Trix]

This. Also I’m not sure why people suddenly call it the ITK forum? Surely it’s still the transfer forum with an ITK thread. The ITK just pops up more in the player threads these days. Let me know if I’m wrong here.

ITK forum or Transfer forum it's irrelevant imo.

Lets be honest here there are some very clued up journalists out there that do have great sources. So what they post is most certainly ITK. There are also hundreds of Aggregators and second rate journalists(and I use this term loosely) that spend their time posting what others have already posted and call that 'a source'. They don't leave it there though because doing that they aren't going to attract any attention because hey it's nothing new. So what they do is completely bastardise the headline to make it look like something else and/or add their own little made up twist on to the post to make it look like it's brand new information(if you are easily manipulated). That in turn gets picked up by another muppet journo or aggregator and changed again, and as it moves down the timeline it gets more and more bastardised and less and less like the truth.

That's what we had last night, numerous aggregators and journalists tweets one after the other each a little more depressing than the last, and usually with a little footnote from the SC poster telling us how reliable this guy must be for whatever bullshit reason. What was blatantly clear though right from the outset, was that it was exactly the situation I described above and it was all stemming from one Journalists post.

So again what the forum is called is irrelevant really, it's the content that matters and last night was just an aggregator free-for-all which led to some pretty bullshit ott posts. It wasn't opinion it was was emotional thoughtless ranting from some, and needless doom mongering from others.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

why we worried about spence ?

If he half arses it there then it's gonna be a struggle to move him on come summer. But maybe a change of scenery might help him get his head together.

 

[mil1lion]

why we worried about spence ?

It just came from Ally Golds update but I don't think he necessarily meant the deals are dependant on one another

Spurs pushing to try to complete a deal for Radu Dragusin ahead of Friday's Premier League deadline. Understand there's still some work to do in fully convincing Djed Spence to go the other way

 

[vegassd]

I don't think anyone's ever being smart Veg. They're merely passing on info they've presumably heard from what they believe is a reliable source. Just like others (including me) have done in the past. The thing is not to make stuff up based purely on conjecture already posted elsewhere, just to water your own legend or because you feel pressure to deliver new info every time a window draws near. I fear some may be guilty of that on here, maybe?

I think something might have been lost in tranlsation there. When I say "smart" I don't mean somebody making something up or posting a story. I mean all of us as fans and how we react to those rumours/stories.

If there have been multiple stories plus our own ITKs saying the Dragusin talks are progressing, and then one rumour emerges that Bayern have completed a deal, I think it makes sense to be a tad wary of that new story. That doesn't mean it won't be true, but I don't personally think it's wise to go all guns blazing off the back of it.

Thing is, this happens every single window. The mods ask for aggregators to not be posted but some people still post them. We are asked to at least track down the source of an aggregator at the very least, and people ignore that. We should always "apply salt" to any transfer rumour, but some people ignore that. ITKs will say that info is changing/out of date and people ignore that. And it's usually the same people who ignore all the advice and stir up the rhetoric.

It's transfer season... things change often and things can happen fast. I think it's wise/smart for all of us to turn down the heat a little in regards to how we react to and share rumours is all.

 

[Trent Crimm]

The problem is some people go from 0 to 100% in a second if there is any slight news, one way or another. One bit mentioning another club is only interested and its the end of the world, people then make stuff up to fit their narrative and send others into the same spiral.

Yep, people come here for the info and talk about it all, not wade through pages upon pages of people having a meltdown for no real reason.

How do these people operate with shit in real life, important situations.? Not some potentially bad news re a football club?

Must be frightening.

 

[kd2000]

How do these people operate with shit in real life, important situations.? Not some potentially bad news re a football club?

Must be frightening.

I doubt very much that they simply sit back and say:
Its the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer

 

[gazzeh]

How do these people operate with shit in real life, important situations.? Not some potentially bad news re a football club?

Must be frightening.

They probably apply a little more tact to their thoughts, almost as if people can apply different approaches to different things

 

[luRRka]

They probably apply a little more tact to their thoughts, almost as if people can apply different approaches to different things

Getting stressed and losing your shit like a toddler at something you can't control is even worse than doing it with something you can