Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[Paolo10]

We're Top 6 and were Top 6 last season...

 

[dtxspurs]

He's good enough but he needs to do better. There's sensible and balanced criticism and then there's this stuff, it's lazy, hugely insulting and inaccurate, adds nothing and makes the person saying it look like they just don't know what they are talking about. We do not have 'shit' players. We have players of varying ability playing at various levels of form and that's what's debatable, they are not 'shit'.

He's "good enough" in a back 5, in a back 4 he's a complete liability. I personally don't prefer him in a 5 either but I see where he has his merit.

 

[ebzrascal]

If Rose doesn’t get fit and Aurier or KWP don’t grab the RB spot I’d be seriously tempted to go to a back 4 of:

Vertonghen Sanchez Alderweireld Foyth

Yeah it won’t offer anywhere near as much in attack but we have wingers at the club and at least we’d have two players at full back who are defensively solid. Sick of seeing us getting rinsed down the wings week in week out.

We won’t sign full backs in January so get to summer and buy two new ones who actually fit what Poch needs from them.

Have you seen Foyth play as a fullback?

 

[dtxspurs]

You’ve hit the nail on the head. Spurs fans always need a scapegoat.

God forbid we just don't think a player is good enough.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

God forbid we just don't think a player is good enough.

Well, that's going to be quite a long list really isn't it?

 

[dtxspurs]

Well, that's going to be quite a long list really isn't it?

We or me?

 

[The Doc]

Well, that's going to be quite a long list really isn't it?

Ha. That's so Spurs. Remember watching us at home vs QPR back when we had Waddle and Gascoigne. A swift surrender of two goals resulted in several voicing the opinion that Gazza was just a fat ****, Waddle was a lazy ****, and Venables knew **** all about tactics. We drew 2:2 in the end. Wonder if there is anyone as hard to please as us anywhere in the wide wide world of sport?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

And yet we have finished top 3 3 seasons running with the last 18 months being played with Trippier and Davies almost constantly, with both finishing amongst the top assisters in the league last season (they were the two too assisting full backs, with Davies the top assidting full back).

Both are upgradeable, maybe with players we already losses, but to say Trippier isn’t top 6 quality is incorrect, he would get in every single side from 7th to 20th.

Both have been in pretty poor form this season. They aren’t the only ones, I think Kane has been poor relative to his standards as has Eriksen but the difference is they have a lot more credit in the bank and their mistakes rarely (I’m hedging against the Eriksen mistake against PSV) cost us games. Trippier has been costing us games, Davies has just been meh. I think this is made worse by comparison with the Walker / Rose combo of 2016/17 where FBs were a strength for us, now it feels like a weakness that other teams are targeting. I think Poch has to take some of the blame though for continuously putting Trippier on the firing line in a back 4 against fast, powerful wingers. I’m sure if you went back to the match threads for Barca or City you’d find loads of posters predicting Trippier would be badly exposed and then guess what, he was. If Poch picks him against Zaha he wants his head examined.

 

[coys200]

Top of Spurs assists this Season.

Pep would have converted him to a midfielder 18 months ago.

 

[dtxspurs]

Top of Spurs assists this Season.

Pep would have converted him to a midfielder 18 months ago.

Being able to pass from RWB and CM are two completely different things. He has all kinds of time and space from his spot out wide, middle of the pitch is a whole different ball game.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Being able to pass from RWB and CM are two completely different things. He has all kinds of time and space from his spot out wide, middle of the pitch is a whole different ball game.

I do agree...

Ive pondered him in midfield, but really he is a 442 midfield type. If that tactical set up was still relevant he would probably be a midfielder RM. Tripps passing is the only thing I rate about him, and his passing is VERY good. I'd like to see him in a 3 and see what he could do passing wise.

 

[dontcallme]

I shared an (honest) opinion about why I don't hold some posters' opinions in very high regard, sorry if my candour offended...

I just can't understand why Trippier is getting so much critique (and always has from some quarters) and so little support considering what he has achieved since he broke into the side. It's kind of the reason why I'm such a vocal supporter of his.

I'd welcome anyone to check the post histories of any of his most ardent critics and see how long they've been talking up the other full backs or ranting in match threads ad nauseum...it's pathetic for 'supporters' from my perspective.

I've been a vocal critic of Serge, I've also praised him for (the rare IMO) good things and hope he can improve...although I have serious doubts about that.

If Serge gets in, I'll trust the manager's judgement...I doubt he or KWP have any chance of ousting Trippier from 1st choice, despite all the tonnes of shit being thrown in this thread.

Sadly that is the way football forums work.

There are players who can be criticised and those who can’t. As a result those who can be criticised get a ridiculous amount of it resulting in people thinking they are rubbish.

My opinion on Tripper is he doesn’t have the pace to play wing back in a back four. He isn’t great defensively but Poch’s system asks the full backs to primarily attack.

Trippier arguably has the best cross in the league and works well in a back three.

Given that England played a back three he shone at the World Cup .

So the question is do we play a formation to suit him? IMO we shouldn’t.

Our attacking mids are our strength and we should play three most of the time.

Like most prem players Trippier has strengths and weaknesses, it is a question of whether he fits us.

I don’t believe he does.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Sadly that is the way football forums work.

There are players who can be criticised and those who can’t. As a result those who can be criticised get a ridiculous amount of it resulting in people thinking they are rubbish.

Interesting to see what reaction you get to this

 

[faze_coys]

Tripps passing is the only thing I rate about him, and his passing is VERY good. I'd like to see him in a 3 and see what he could do passing wise.

Tripper has one of the Worst Pass success rates in our team.

 

[Gringospur]

Your post would benefit with some stats or a link, otherwise it just looks like your opinion.

 

[Paolo10]

Tripper has one of the Worst Pass success rates in our team.

He's actually one of the best short passers we have and the number you've referenced also takes into account the large number of crosses he makes, which obviously don't find their man as often as any short pass.

If you're going to apply statistics, at least do it fairly or make sure you understand what you're posting tbh.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Tripper has one of the Worst Pass success rates in our team.

Yes most crosses of the ball do. But that's not what I'm talking about. It's relevant to risk. Dembele has a great pass success rate, but you don't see many chances created by him, or even the pass before the assist.

 

[wrd]

What I can't understand is that Trippier is being criticised simply for his mistakes which have led to goals conceded, 90% of those criticising him have said they appreciate what he brings in an attacking sense and that he's better as a wing back with a back 3 and that they want Aurier to be given an opportunity.

Then you have posters claiming that in this thread he's been called shit, claiming he's being scapegoated and I don't understand it personally. I think there's been a fair critique of him with his positives rightly mentioned. I feel like you're making it worse in your own heads quite frankly.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Then you have posters claiming that in this thread he's been called shit, claiming he's being scapegoated and I don't understand it personally. I think there's been a fair critique of him with his positives rightly mentioned. I feel like you're making it worse in your own heads quite frankly.

Calling any player 'shit' is not a fair critique. Of anybody. I'm pretty sure that doesn't just exist in my head, although there are some proper nice things that do

Of course it isn't everyone by any means who's descended that far and there have been people who have been sensible in their onions but that doesn't make it right. It's two separate things, I think largely posted by different people.

 

[wrd]

Calling any player 'shit' is not a fair critique. Of anybody. I'm pretty sure that doesn't just exist in my head, although there are some proper nice things that do

Of course it isn't everyone by any means who's descended that far and there have been people who have been sensible in their onions but that doesn't make it right. It's two separate things, I think largely posted by different people.

Yeah I guess for me, I tend to ignore flippant comments both positive and negative without any real basis. Sometimes I feel 90% are making valid points which tend to be ignored and then the responses are to the 10% who are over egging the pudding.

I've actually changed my mind on the team tonight, I think Trippier will be better suited vs PSV at home where we will have a lot of possession and could quite easy score 3/4 and save Aurier for Palace where we will have to contend with Zaha.