Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[FibreOpticJesus]

Yeah I was thinking more long term tbh, in general having a keeper that is HG is a nice bonus imo. I always feel it allows for more flexibility in other positions. Im still skeptical if Maddison ends up here and in general if that doesn’t happen I don’t want us to sacrifice better targets from abroad in favour of lesser HG ones.

Aren’t the rules changing to decrease the number of non-homegrown players in a squad. If so we should be planning our squad around these rules and not waiting till d-day and having to sell or reduce the squad numbers.

 

[knowlespurs]

Does seem weird how we agreed a fee with Brentford for Raya then moved on , maybe a hg player at centre half has become available that we didn't think was before

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Does seem weird how we agreed a fee with Brentford for Raya then moved on , maybe a hg player at centre half has become available that we didn't think was before

I don't think we did agree fee with Brentford, that's the problem. We agreed personal terms with the player but our valuations were well out

 

[Dunc2610]

We didn't agree a fee with Brentford though did we? And Seems as though our head scout likes this guy, but cause someone put some 'stats' up from a different league, maybe playing in a different system, and he's a bit cheaper, everyone has decided he's shite!?

 

[knowlespurs]

I don't think we did agree fee with Brentford, that's the problem. We agreed personal terms with the player but our valuations were well out

Think Hotspur88 said we did

 

[Trix]

Hard to judge a GK and how they are with the ball at their feet especially on a poorer team who is probably sitting deep.

Indeed. You can throw all the YT clips and stats at it that you want but for me I won't be looking to evaluate him, until I watch him a number of times at least. I have no idea how he's been asked to play and who he's had in front of him so how could I put those stats and clips into any sort of context. He's the one Gabbanini has identified and if we can't trust him then what's the point of him even being there at all.

I'd much rather the chief scout picked the players than the sodding board.

 

[knowlespurs]

We didn't agree a fee with Brentford though did we? And Seems as though our head scout likes this guy, but cause someone put some 'stats' up from a different league, maybe playing in a different system, and he's a bit cheaper, everyone has decided he's shite!?

I haven't got a view on the keeper mate never seen him, just think something else might have come up which meant we moved differently

 

[SuperLuka]

We didn't agree a fee with Brentford though did we? And Seems as though our head scout likes this guy, but cause someone put some 'stats' up from a different league, maybe playing in a different system, and he's a bit cheaper, everyone has decided he's shite!?

I don't think anyone has decided he's shite?

 

[Marty]

I don't think anyone has decided he's shite?

Don't go on Twitter

 

[Hotspur88]

Think Hotspur88 said we did

Yes I was led to believe we had all but agreed a fee in the region of £33m. Clearly I jumped the gun. I'm all for returning to our old style of scouting and have no problem moving away from Raya. But it is strange when we were still talking to Brentford and I don't think we were miles apart.

 

[BENNO]

I don't know this bloke, never seen him play so i cannot comment on his ability but i was watching a video from 'Tottenham Walks' the other day when he was using a scouting program to look at how good David Raya was (think he called it Why Scout, or Y scout ?). Anyway, it scouts everyone from the top 5 leagues and can then rate them on various attributes and he was banging in different parameters that you'd expect an Ange goalkeeper to need - good at short passing, quick off his line etc to make a list of the top % of these goalkeepers.

As each parameter was added the list obviously shortened, but while Raya was always in the top 3, so was this other unknown keeper....from Empoli. Now i'm not 100/% sure where it finished up, but i'm pretty certain that when all the data was collated Raya and Vicario were 1st and 2nd in a list of about 3 or 4 keepers who's attributes fitted the required profile.

So all i will say on him is that a lot of our fans have (rightly) praised Brighton and Brentford for the data driven transfers and had hoped we'd do the same 'smart' recruiting. From what i saw, the data on Vicario was as good as Raya in most areas, slightly better in some , slightly worse in others. So for the money quoted , it would look to be a very sensible option given that he's roughly the same as Raya on data, but a year younger and less than half the price.

Lets see where this one goes but i wouldn't be writing him off just 'cos he's cheap !

 

[SuperLuka]

Don't go on Twitter

I've made that mistake in the past. I'm sure half of them are arsenal and west ham fans.

 

[spursfan77]

Spurs fans: “We want to be the club that scouts players and buys them before they are well known and cost so much”.

Buys highly rated Italian GK for great value.

Also Spurs fans: “This is way too big of a risk. What are we doing!”

You can’t have it both ways.

I think we all need to realise getting another Lloris in for such a long period of time is going to be nearly impossible. The way forward has to be picking up well scouted and researched choices. Who is to say that we aren’t thinking about Raya in 12 months time too, should this not come off as a good signing.

 

[Japhet]

Having only seen a few Youtube reels I'm really quite alarmed at how often he palms the ball straight back into dangerous areas. As usual, the clips only show the save and not the consequences of this, and there are quite a few where you're left thinking if the follow up doesn't get buried in the net the attacker should be shot. I don't think I've seen a single clip of him catching a ball either. As I said before, definite Gomes vibes as in brilliant and atrocious all at the same time.

Edit; I'm also dismayed that we've shown zero interest in Dean Henderson.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the journalists have jumped the gun.

I still think it was obvious that Raya was first choice. If Brentford do negotiate down a little I reckon that is still the preferred option.

But we actually have a scout led contingency plan in place in Vicario that can be activated quickly.

Sounds like there might actually be a plan from our side. I'm surprised.

 

[Marty]

I don't know this bloke, never seen him play so i cannot comment on his ability but i was watching a video from 'Tottenham Walks' the other day when he was using a scouting program to look at how good David Raya was (think he called it Why Scout, or Y scout ?). Anyway, it scouts everyone from the top 5 leagues and can then rate them on various attributes and he was banging in different parameters that you'd expect an Ange goalkeeper to need - good at short passing, quick off his line etc to make a list of the top % of these goalkeepers.

As each parameter was added the list obviously shortened, but while Raya was always in the top 3, so was this other unknown keeper....from Empoli. Now i'm not 100/% sure where it finished up, but i'm pretty certain that when all the data was collated Raya and Vicario were 1st and 2nd in a list of about 3 or 4 keepers who's attributes fitted the required profile.

So all i will say on him is that a lot of our fans have (rightly) praised Brighton and Brentford for the data driven transfers and had hoped we'd do the same 'smart' recruiting. From what i saw, the data on Vicario was as good as Raya in most areas, slightly better in some , slightly worse in others. So for the money quoted , it would look to be a very sensible option given that he's roughly the same as Raya on data, but a year younger and less than half the price.

Lets see where this one goes but i wouldn't be writing him off just 'cos he's cheap !

Wyscout is a fantastic tool for the layman as well as the professional. The pundits I know all use it to gather data on players they're profiling, and I know scouting departments all over the world at all sorts of levels also use it.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The key for me is whether Vicario is a similar style of keeper to Raya

I don't trust our scouting network at all and worry we're going for the deal over the best player...but if they are at least the same style of keeper that at least suggests there's some sort of plan

If not...then what the hell are we doing?

 

[Cel]

Indeed. You can throw all the YT clips and stats at it that you want but for me I won't be looking to evaluate him, until I watch him a number of times at least. I have no idea how he's been asked to play and who he's had in front of him so how could I put those stats and clips into any sort of context. He's the one Gabbanini has identified and if we can't trust him then what's the point of him even being there at all.

I'd much rather the chief scout picked the players than the sodding board.

It's exactly this for me. I like the idea we actually back our new scouting dept, like you say, what's the point otherwise.

Our success is going to be based on being smart in the market, not financially overpowering the clubs round us. It always bizarrely worries me when we spend really big, and I wonder why that player isn't getting 'better' offers from elite clubs.

I love the idea we run like a richer Brighton, but to do that, you need to back the scouting and analytics people - not just go for what gets dangled in front of you.

 

[Cel]

The key for me is whether Vicario is a similar style of keeper to Raya

I don't trust our scouting network at all and worry we're going for the deal over the best player...but if they are at least the same style of keeper that at least suggests there's some sort of plan

If not...then what the hell are we doing?

See, I'm not sure if that's out scouting network, or that the board doesn't listen to them fully though? We get linked to the right kind of players all the time, which gives me confidence we are identifying them. We then end up with someone completely different last minute on occasion, which feels the issue.

 

[spanishspur]

GK make the difference in games. Like Strikers. You shouldn’t really mess about with that position imho. Fact is even when we had Kane and Son firing, Lloris was practically chucking them in the net with his fellows at the back. A solid GK in form brings calmness at the back. Shot stopping is one thing but they also need to command and take control and relieve pressure. It’s better to pay up here because GKs tend to hang around in clubs and their impact is huge. Get the first choice Spurs.

Brilliant post
Why can’t levy recognise the same