Match Threads Palace vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 4 - KO 12:30pm

[Matthew]

Cheers everyone, lot of work to be done then! Tbf though, you set up poorly - expect a poor result.

 

[Barrd10]

Here come the anti Levy Brigade ?

With the circumstances surrounding the build up to this match this is not a surprise result. We lost keyplayers to injury whilst on international duty, and one who played today not fully fit. Of course our clubs decision to allow players to travel to avoid sanction backfired when FIFA let others who did not do the same off the hook. We were away up against a team who had most of their squad training together for the past two weeks. BT Sport were setting this up nicely for Palace, starting with their selection as the early game straight after an international break. The writing was always on the wall In my view.

Clearly we did not play well after first 5 minutes, but mass changes to starting 11 aleays likely to cause problems. The cause not helped by a first half injury, a second half red card which was largely down to the referee failing to spot a foul on Moura just before the first yellow card. In fact in my opinion the referee let far too much go throughout, several players should have seen yellow in the first half. Palace eventually got their reward, and of course out come the anti Levy Brigade in numbers, spouting the crap we hear after every defeat. So predictable, so boring. To call for the manager to go already us pathetic! Equally so some of the comments about Royal who up to a point had a reasonable debut in my view

Kane and Dele need to take a look at themselves and quickly. Their attitude on tge pitch does not look good. Nuno has to learn from this defeat.

Anyone thinking we should just splash the cash each transfer window just take a look at how that approach has worked out in the past for Leeds, and more recently Barcelona and Real Madrid. I do not want us to build success on stolen or blood stained cash. Levy is not perfect, but he will get us to the best financial position without the mass appeal of United / Liverpool, or a rich owner happy to throw cash around like confetti. He has just been appointed to the European Club Union board, a very powerful position in European football, which should bring some long term benefit to the club. He is almost certainly going nowhere. The haters need to get over it and get behind the team. All the negativity after just four league games is not good.

Come on 20 years. 20 years of next to nothing for us. I don’t know how old you are but if you have supported Spurs for more than the last 20 years what have you celebrated?

 

[rossdapep]

Here come the anti Levy Brigade ?

With the circumstances surrounding the build up to this match this is not a surprise result. We lost keyplayers to injury whilst on international duty, and one who played today not fully fit. Of course our clubs decision to allow players to travel to avoid sanction backfired when FIFA let others who did not do the same off the hook. We were away up against a team who had most of their squad training together for the past two weeks. BT Sport were setting this up nicely for Palace, starting with their selection as the early game straight after an international break. The writing was always on the wall In my view.

Clearly we did not play well after first 5 minutes, but mass changes to starting 11 aleays likely to cause problems. The cause not helped by a first half injury, a second half red card which was largely down to the referee failing to spot a foul on Moura just before the first yellow card. In fact in my opinion the referee let far too much go throughout, several players should have seen yellow in the first half. Palace eventually got their reward, and of course out come the anti Levy Brigade in numbers, spouting the crap we hear after every defeat. So predictable, so boring. To call for the manager to go already us pathetic! Equally so some of the comments about Royal who up to a point had a reasonable debut in my view

Kane and Dele need to take a look at themselves and quickly. Their attitude on tge pitch does not look good. Nuno has to learn from this defeat.

Anyone thinking we should just splash the cash each transfer window just take a look at how that approach has worked out in the past for Leeds, and more recently Barcelona and Real Madrid. I do not want us to build success on stolen or blood stained cash. Levy is not perfect, but he will get us to the best financial position without the mass appeal of United / Liverpool, or a rich owner happy to throw cash around like confetti. He has just been appointed to the European Club Union board, a very powerful position in European football, which should bring some long term benefit to the club. He is almost certainly going nowhere. The haters need to get over it and get behind the team. All the negativity after just four league games is not good.

Excuses excuses excuses

Fail to prepare. Prepare to fail.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

I'm still waiting to see that free flowing, attacking football, we were promised in Levy's message to the fans.

I wouldn't even be that mad about it, if when Nuno when hired, Levy was honest with the fans and said they went in a different direction. Most every fan knew what direction we went in when we hired Nuno and it wasn't attacking.

Instead we were gaslighted by the club and told they hired Nuno to play attacking football which is of course ridiculous. Nuno just set us up to play defensive football against Crystal Palace. Not City. Not Chelsea. Crystal mother fucking Palace.

I really hope Nuno gets it together and we go on to have a great season. But if it all goes south and we're fighting Arsenal for 12th place in February, Levy really needs to hear it this time. Enough is enough. Don't lie to the fans you little, bald, fucking troll.

 

[shoggy33]

Credit to Nuno for sticking to his guns and playing for the 0-0 even after we went 1-0 down. That took balls.

 

[Spotter]

Here come the anti Levy Brigade ?

With the circumstances surrounding the build up to this match this is not a surprise result. We lost keyplayers to injury whilst on international duty, and one who played today not fully fit. Of course our clubs decision to allow players to travel to avoid sanction backfired when FIFA let others who did not do the same off the hook. We were away up against a team who had most of their squad training together for the past two weeks. BT Sport were setting this up nicely for Palace, starting with their selection as the early game straight after an international break. The writing was always on the wall In my view.

Clearly we did not play well after first 5 minutes, but mass changes to starting 11 aleays likely to cause problems. The cause not helped by a first half injury, a second half red card which was largely down to the referee failing to spot a foul on Moura just before the first yellow card. In fact in my opinion the referee let far too much go throughout, several players should have seen yellow in the first half. Palace eventually got their reward, and of course out come the anti Levy Brigade in numbers, spouting the crap we hear after every defeat. So predictable, so boring. To call for the manager to go already us pathetic! Equally so some of the comments about Royal who up to a point had a reasonable debut in my view

Kane and Dele need to take a look at themselves and quickly. Their attitude on tge pitch does not look good. Nuno has to learn from this defeat.

Anyone thinking we should just splash the cash each transfer window just take a look at how that approach has worked out in the past for Leeds, and more recently Barcelona and Real Madrid. I do not want us to build success on stolen or blood stained cash. Levy is not perfect, but he will get us to the best financial position without the mass appeal of United / Liverpool, or a rich owner happy to throw cash around like confetti. He has just been appointed to the European Club Union board, a very powerful position in European football, which should bring some long term benefit to the club. He is almost certainly going nowhere. The haters need to get over it and get behind the team. All the negativity after just four league games is not good.

Top post that spot on

 

[belsunz]

lack of midfield options + the fact that winks must be a superb trainer.

Not a fan of Winks at all, but for the sake of the argument, let’s assume he deserved his place in the line-up on the premise that he’s a good trainer. That doesn’t change my view that a) it’s tactically poor including him in the set-up with Skipp and PEH already there, making it very unbalanced attacking-wise (not that #sayNo seemingly cares about attacking) and b) equally poor not correcting this flawed set-up in game, by introducing Gil and shifting Alli to the front of a midfield three.

 

[tommo84]

The alarm bells for some of us went off as we entered the last days of the transfer window with a squad short on both numbers and quality. Nuno made a mess of it today, but his options were very limited from the outset. What today showed is we don’t have a squad that can withstand half a dozen injuries and still be a top half team even. Thats a major worry in itself and is a failing of Levy and Paratici.

To compound matters, Kane is already showing he isn’t as fully committed as he once was. Either that or this set-up leaves him more isolated than before (possible). He’s probably looking around and thinking ‘what’s the point?’. He knows with Nuno’s tactics and the lack of creativity around him he’s not winning another Golden Boot, and the team is the worst he’s played with, so he’s understandably looking a bit disillusioned. That’s another big worry because without his leadership our team looks like it could get bullied on the road a lot and today’s humbling will be a sign of things to come.

Having said all that, some of the agendas for and against certain players in this thread baffle me. Bryan is a kid who was anonymous after the first 10 minutes away to Pacos. Why is he being heralded as some sort of ready-made new Ginola already? Dele has been terrific in our first 3 games and his blocks helped keep us level for longer than we deserved but he’s being singled out when nobody aside from Lucas and Rodon did much to help or inspire the team. Ndombele is somehow trusted by lots of you on here when he’s done nothing to earn that trust in 2 seasons. If he’d come on today he’d have been overrun by Palace easily because they wanted it more today than I’ve ever seen Ndombele want anything in a Spurs shirt.

We’ve had years of poor recruitment together with a lack of ambition and we’re now seeing the full effects - we’re also rans. No better than Palace or the rest of them. A very sorry state to be in. There will be good days and some very bad ones. Today was the first clusterfuck from the manager but if even the good days are turgid and dull then Nuno won’t very last long as our fans demand to be entertained and we’ve been bored rigid for 2 years and counting.

 

[curlacious]

I feel proud, Nuno. So proud.

 

[wayneg]

Exactly.

Nuno supposedly told Winks to find a new club. There is weight behind that considering Winks hadn't featured much until today.

The fact that ANOTHER coach is having to play him is solely on those above him.

Ndombele wanted to leave and Nuno is right to not play him if he feels his head isn't in it and he may move on.

Lo Celso is out of his hands completely.

It's up to the club to give Nuno better options, especially in the most important area of the field.

Whilst I agree with that and can understand the lineup put out, I do not understand how he could not have changed things either at half time or at 1-0 downz surely Gill or Tanguy had to come, we offered nothing in the first half, abosultely nothing and you can not say when the team's came out for the second you expected that to change?

 

[hamsup_sotong]

All in all a terrible performance from the onset. Terrible line-up in midfield exacerbated by an Injury to dier.
Lack of fight and want and nous. We were losing on every 2nd ball.

hopefully lessons learnt from nuno and from the younger lads like japhet( he clearly lost his head). Early days yet...
It's going to be a bumpy ride until we get that mf sorted.

think a back 3 with wingbacks is the way to go moving forward .

 

[Wsussexspur]

I feel proud, Nuno. So proud.

I sense a touch of sarcasm in this post

 

[mpickard2087]

And as for couldn't do anything differently - how about having some bollocks and playing 20+ yards higher and trying to stamp our authority on the game?

Was it a great lineup? no I think we all agree on that. But you can do something about it eg. like Liverpool play. Yes you don't get much from the midfield but just free the cm3 to run and press all day, Dele Moura and Kane as a front three combining, get the fullbacks advanced, press high, don't let them out, play the game in their half and take it to them.

Choosing to drop off and play on the counter is deliberate tactical instruction, today it didn't work, and gave them an easy ride and the team/crowd momentum.

 

[shelfboy68]

This team won't make top six let alone top four this club is papering over cracks it comes to something when west ham are now a better side than we are.

 

[Barrd10]

Credit to Nuno for sticking to his guns and playing for the 0-0 even after we went 1-0 down. That took balls.

Yep he changed after 2-0 or 3-0. He won’t ever change. Brilliant. Sigh.

 

[Guntz]

Damn, if only there was a french backup striker available for just £15m a few weeks ago?

He's got an attitude problem though...

 

[wrd]

I think some are being incredibly harsh on Nuno, I think yeah the football was atrocious today and he got things wrong, I want us to be more attacking of course, the first few games I was happy with elements but wanted us to produce more in the final 3rd. I think however it's clear that he's setting up the foundations of the team and I hope they are merely the start and will gradually transition into more progressive football but he has set the foundations, foundations which were eviscerated today due to injuries and the other missing players. I think his solution was horribly wrong today but let's see if learns from it. I know his time at Wolves does cast doubt on whether these foundations are merely the start or the entire thing but I just think let's get a bigger sample size before looking too negatively on Nuno especially given the circumstances of our recruitment and the international break fiasco.

 

[Phil-spur99]

I know we’ve got injuries from the international break but it is a worryingly crap performance when you consider most of that starting 11 today were not on international duty. They should have been fresh and have had the extra time with Nuno.

 

[rossdapep]

Whilst I agree with that and can understand the lineup put out, I do not understand how he could not have changed things either at half time or at 1-0 downz surely Gill or Tanguy had to come, we offered nothing in the first half, abosultely nothing and you can not say when the team's came out for the second you expected that to change?

I imagine he would have made an offensive change at 70 mins. Poch used to do this a lot to and Nuno is similar in this regard.

Just the sending off fucked things as he had to make a defensive change.

Bringing on Gil would have meant we lost some control from a defensive perspective.

And do you really trust Ndombele?? A player who hasnt had any minutes of football since about April, wanted to leave and isn't a disciplined player.

Nuno was fucked for this one


Limited options, always under prepared.

I am starting to lose interest until ENIC fuck off.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

A club like Spurs should never play this type of football. At least not against fckin Palace. Absolutely horrible, Nuno needs to take a serious look at his philosophy and play style. No excuses, he did absolutely nothing correct today.

The problem is, this isn’t Nunos fault. This is what he does, he’s a defensive coach. Talk to Wolves fans, they all say the same. The issue lies in appointing a manager and expecting them to change their philosophy. I have never seen it happen. After that letter Levy wrote to the fans about Spurs DNA I find it rather disappointing, to say the least, we are back in a situation with a manger who is essentially a less successful Jose.