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michaelden

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Bit harsh, but he is 42 years old and was never going to get out like Lloris. You can't play a high line with Friedel and Dawson as it proved yesterday

Maybe, but I think Brad's reactions have been poor, even last season they were going and now its time for the big man to chill out & take badges. He deserves all the respect for his career, but its time to drop the curtains on this act.
 

Chris12

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Maybe, but I think Brad's reactions have been poor, even last season they were going and now its time for the big man to chill out & take badges. He deserves all the respect for his career, but its time to drop the curtains on this act.
I do agree its time to get a young GK and let Brad do the badges, but he is a decent back up to have at moment
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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Did you see how easily Paulinho lost possession? You can't blame Brad for not saving a one on one situation

Quite right. Everyone has become spoilt with Lloris making up for other deficiencies. If our entire game falls apart when we have our number 2 keeper playing then we have problems.
 

dagraham

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I'd hardly say it fell apart.

I'm not saying it did. Just that the keeper can't always be relied on to clear up others mistakes. Lloris is a special goal keeper. The midfield and defense has to take responsibility. We didn't lose the game yesterday because of Friedal.
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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I'm not saying it did. Just that the keeper can't always be relied on to clear up others mistakes. Lloris is a special goal keeper. The midfield and defense has to take responsibility. We didn't lose the game yesterday because of Friedal.

Well you'd hope that they can be relied upon as that is their job, but I get what you're saying. I don't think Friedel was at fault at all yesterday either. It was the fucker at the other end.
 

jezz

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[quote="Jimmypearce7,

The idea that you can sell a great player for a huge price and get a few very good ones with the money and improve your team has never actually worked for any team in practice and it hasn't worked for us.[/quote]
Arsenal, man utd
 

lillywhites61

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Aug 11, 2009
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Bit harsh, but he is 42 years old and was never going to get out like Lloris. You can't play a high line with Friedel and Dawson as it proved yesterday

The reason we lost yesterday was because of both keepers. One slow of his line and slow to react, great back up but shows how important Lloris is! And the other had a freak game where he saved everything thrown at him! Amazing performance by Krul
 

SteveH

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Jul 21, 2003
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I'm happy with all of them except Soldado............but I can't of course say he won't come good.

This group will have many bumps along the way and I dont see top four this season ATM.
 

Lufti

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The idea that you can sell a great player for a huge price and get a few very good ones with the money and improve your team has never actually worked for any team in practice and it hasn't worked for us.

Roma say hey
 

Lufti

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Borussia Dortmund?

Without derailing the thread, they're visibly worse without Götze - sorry but anyone who says they're better now is slightly deluded, they wont win anything this year, or if they do it'll be because Guardiola screws up
 

BringBack_leGin

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Chiriches is a very good player and is very young for a centre back. He's going to be great, I don't see what he lacks. We brought him in for what we received for Caulker, and while for some this may be up for debate, I think there's a clear improvement.

Capoue, it's hard to judge. The little I saw looked very good but the injury means we have little to go on. I'd say him in for roughly what we received for Huddlestone and Parker is excellent business considering those two would have been firmly behind Dembele, Sandro and Paulinho.

Chadli looked great pre season, I was very excited. He seems to have played within himself so far, albeit in limited opportunities. I'd like to see more of him, I feel there's obvious talent there and that lovely combo of strength and technique, but he needs to do more as he's lacked any real purpose when he's had the ball so far.

Eriksen has been a very mixed bag. He's only 21 so I'm happy to be patient, and his initial glimpses looked like Vdv with pace, but he has seemed unable to get into the game at all lately. He's obviously a good passer with both technique and vision, but he has to find a way to assert that regularly as. Was better v Newcastle. I would be tempted to try him in the midfield two with Sandro, creating a clearly defined midfield where one is the attacker, one is the defender. He'd be in a role where he'd have to get the ball and use it constantly and be the centre and orchestrator of our play. Parker and Modric is the best central midfield I've seen at Spurs, there's a reason for that. Of course, much depends if Eriksen has the Modric intelligence of knowing where to be at all times, but there's only one way to find out and I think the risk is worth it. I've never liked having two 'solid' central midfielders and this seasons lack of any imagination with the ball reaffirms that.

Paulinho has been very disappointing. At first he seemed to be this energetic midfielder who drove things forward and took responsibility. This past 5/6 weeks he just seems like Jenas reincarnate. Very poor first touch, bottles challenges, doesn't do anything progressive with the ball, he just seems cowardly. This must improve and fast. I think he has ability but, like with Jenas, for a central midfielder that just isn't enough if you don't take responsibility.

Lamela hasn't had the premiership minutes to allow any fair judgement, but there does seem to be something special about him. Unbelievable control of the ball and a great deal of flair and will to use it, I think the only fair thing to say for him is 'watch this space'.


Soldado divides opinion. It's fair to say he has stuttered. Should we have bought a battering ram instead? Some say yes, I say no. This would merely have masked our midfield deficiencies and not forced us to address them. His awareness is superb, he does put in a shift and he's usually on target from wherever, including back heels and back headers. I believe that when the team behind him clicks, he'll be lethal, but we need to be patient.

I think we have the potential to be far improved, but last season our system was 'give the ball to Bale'. Now we find ourselves having to figure out how to use the players we have. I'm beginning to have doubts as to whether our manager knows how best to use them, but patience is required. The points haul come the end of May will reveal all.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Without derailing the thread, they're visibly worse without Götze - sorry but anyone who says they're better now is slightly deluded, they wont win anything this year, or if they do it'll be because Guardiola screws up

Ha! They are second in Bundesliga with the most goals scored and competing well in their champions league group. I wouldn't say they are any worse.

Besides they have a history of improving each time they lose their best player. Before Goetze they lost Kagawa and Sahin but still managed to reach the CL final last season.
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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Without derailing the thread, they're visibly worse without Götze - sorry but anyone who says they're better now is slightly deluded, they wont win anything this year

I think they mean Dortmund over a long period. They've had to sell players in the past and have generally replaced them very well.

Being in the same division as Bayern will have more to do with them not winning than anything else.
 

Lufti

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I think they mean Dortmund over a long period. They've had to sell players in the past and have generally replaced them very well.

Being in the same division as Bayern will have more to do with them not winning than anything else.

Dortmund wouldn't exist as a football club if it wasn't for Bayern.

Ha! They are second in Bundesliga with the most goals scored and competing well in their champions league group. I wouldn't say they are any worse.

Besides they have a history of improving each time they lose their best player. Before Goetze they lost Kagawa and Sahin but still managed to reach the CL final last season.

They've been pretty poor in the CL this year actually, the only good game they played was away to Arsenal with a decent performance against Marseille. I know they've lost good players and still carried on but they already had ready made replacements. When Kagawa went, Götze stepped in. When Sahin left Bender really stepped up and Gündogan was bought in cheap. With Götze they've bought Mikhitaryan and Aubameyang who I think are both a bit overrated and not close to his standard. They're good but the team overall is worse now. Also, Dortmund's fixtures have been favourable. They've beaten teams who they should be beating, mostly at home, and out of the 4 difficult games they've had - Wolfsburg, Schalke, Gladbach and Frankfurt away, they've managed 2 wins..

Anyway, the situation I think he's referring to is when a team sells their best player for big cash and has to try and bring in several replacements. Similar situations would be United with Ronaldo, Napoli with Cavani etc. With Dortmund there's never been just one stand out player.
 
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TheSecretNonFootballer

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Dortmund wouldn't exist as a football club if it wasn't for Bayern.

Be that as it may, in football terms that have little to no chance of winning anything in Germany with the current Bayern team. Even less when they are forced to sell their best player to them.
 

Lufti

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Be that as it may, in football terms that have little to no chance of winning anything in Germany with the current Bayern team. Even less when they are forced to sell their best player to them.

The thing is, they did better Bayern, twice. Not to mention the German cup thrashing on top. I also think they'd have won the CL had Götze been playing and Dante sent off. So it's not impossible. Put Bayern to one side, and Justin is saying that they'd improved since selling Götze and I'm sorry but that's not the case. Maybe they're not considerably worse but I wouldn't say they're better
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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The thing is, they did better Bayern, twice. Not to mention the German cup thrashing on top. I also think they'd have won the CL had Götze been playing and Dante sent off. So it's not impossible. Put Bayern to one side, and Justin is saying that they'd improved since selling Götze and I'm sorry but that's not the case. Maybe they're not considerably worse but I wouldn't say they're better

I don't think he means this season specifically so isn't referring to Gotze leaving. They've been doing it for a while.
 
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