Nicolò Zaniolo

[iddebu52]

Ahhh you can’t beat a good meeting ?‍?

Pinto is discussing a possible transfer of Kluivert to Fulham. There was no mention of Zaniolo. However nothing is impossible.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Ties in with latest ITK from H88

 

[Aphex]

I agree. I haven’t been this unexcited by a signing since we bought Nkoudou

Agree. It's a bit annoying that the much heralded AM signing looks like another unexciting buy. Maddison or Paqueta will have been much more exciting.

I do trust Conte so we roll with it, but having watched him a bit recently, I don't see how this player will be a difference maker when we come up against hard to break down teams.

I just have this feeling that we are making a big mistake with this signing, but we need to give Conte the tools and this is who he wants.

The other issue is his knees, I can't get away from the worry that we sign him and he does his knee again and is out for a year. The alternatives don't have this concern. Is Zaniolo really that good to make the risk worthwhile?

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Agree. It's a bit annoying that the much heralded AM signing looks like another unexciting buy. Maddison or Paqueta will have been much more exciting.

I do trust Conte so we roll with it, but having watched him a bit recently, I don't see how this player will be a difference maker when we come up against hard to break down teams.

I just have this feeling that we are making a big mistake with this signing, but we need to give Conte the tools and this is who he wants.

The other issue is his knees, I can't get away from the worry that we sign him and he does his knee again and is out for a year. The alternatives don't have this concern. Is Zaniolo really that good to make the risk worthwhile?

You just don’t need to be worried that he might, possibly, at some point get injured again. There’s nothing you can do to control that.

At this point it looks like we’ll probably sign him, another young exciting player coming in who is definitely an upgrade on other members of the squad. Let’s enjoy it, he’s either going to be a decent option from the bench or he’ll turn into a world beater, there’s not much risk in this signing if you forget about the injuries.

 

[Derryank]

I'm thrilled to hear the latest ITK on this one. Really excited by this one. Fantastic technical player. Work horse for sure.

Jose will be not so thrilled.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Reading between the lines this one looks like it will get done when we move some players out. So I’m more interested to see news on Lo Celso/Reguillon/Ndombele because only when we see confirmations of their departures do I see us tying this signing up.

 

[Scot-Spur]

Not sure on Tanguy both think the other two will go next week.

 

[Beefyboy]

Agree. It's a bit annoying that the much heralded AM signing looks like another unexciting buy. Maddison or Paqueta will have been much more exciting.

I do trust Conte so we roll with it, but having watched him a bit recently, I don't see how this player will be a difference maker when we come up against hard to break down teams.

I just have this feeling that we are making a big mistake with this signing, but we need to give Conte the tools and this is who he wants.

The other issue is his knees, I can't get away from the worry that we sign him and he does his knee again and is out for a year. The alternatives don't have this concern. Is Zaniolo really that good to make the risk worthwhile?

Is paqueta really more exciting? Feel like he's getting hyped because he's not zaniolo. He was pretty terrible from what I saw in the europa and apparsbtly he just downed tools when his mate Bruno left.

 

[C0YS]

I get that Conte wants him but I genuinely have no idea why.

• High risk on the injury front
• Difficult to identify what he does well
• Difficult to identify where he plays
• Recent performances last season which could be most generously described as just about ok
• Stats which show his passing is not very good

Just don’t get it.

Let’s hope Antonio can get out of him whatever it is he has clearly identified.

1) Yes that's a valid concern


2)Its pretty easy to identify what he does well. He's a strong runner, creative player always looking to make things happen. He is also very phiscal good at holding up the ball, good in the air etc, which makes him have some pretty unique skills for a 'number 10'.

3) Or, he is a player able to play multiple positions. For us he will be competing largely in the front 3 roles. Mainly the wide ones but he could cover centrally as well. He offers skills our other players don't.

4) fair, last season was him regaining form after a long time out. That takes time. It's a risk, but worth noting his form improved as the season went on.

5) Zaniolo is not a passer, though can be incisive. And much less so than alternative options. This isn't coincidental. Conte doesn't want a passing AM. I mean if they are good I'm sure he would take them as an option, but it's just not how he sees football at all. Forward players are there to make the correct movements and be able to receive the ball in Contes system. He wants dynamic play and not some metronomic creative player. Fans here want that but it's just not consistent with how Conte makes signings.

Ultimately, Zaniolo is one of the most, if not the most, talented player in Italy. He hasn't fulfilled that talent yet, injuries haven't helped here.

It's a risk. But Zaniolo, frankly is a player which is built for the PL, he probably suits the PL more than serie A there is logic to this and while I don't think this is a signing we need to make it's certainly one I would have no complaints over. He would offer us something different and would be good to have those options on the bench.

 

[Trix]

Quite simply they want a sale or at least an obligation, we want an option or at least a reduced fee(if we have to purchase) from what it currently is if we are taking on the risk. From what I hear it isn't close but all parties are still in discussion because everyone involved wants it to happen.

 

[Led Revolver]

Quite simply they want a sale or at least an obligation, we want an option or at least a reduced fee(if we have to purchase) from what it currently is if we are taking on the risk. From what I hear it isn't close but all parties are still in discussion because everyone involved wants it to happen.

Sounds completely logical from both sides to me. A lesser fee and perhaps a loan for Tanganga could swing this one I think. Fingers crossed!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

You'd think it will happen if there's willingness on all sides

Anyone have any idea what his chance creation is like? I still feel that's a piece that missing for us - whatever the position

 

[jurgen]

Is paqueta really more exciting? Feel like he's getting hyped because he's not zaniolo. He was pretty terrible from what I saw in the europa and apparsbtly he just downed tools when his mate Bruno left.

With our experience in France, Paqueta also goes down as a massive risk for different reasons surely?

I will admit that given we've been linked to the prem-ready Maddison I'm not 100% sure on whether this guy is the best player out there, but then how many of us were utterly convinced on Kulusevski and the guy has been a beast so far.. it's not inconceivable that a 1.9m brick shithouse with such a silky touch could wreck the league

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I get that Conte wants him but I genuinely have no idea why.

• High risk on the injury front
• Difficult to identify what he does well
• Difficult to identify where he plays
• Recent performances last season which could be most generously described as just about ok
• Stats which show his passing is not very good

Just don’t get it.

Let’s hope Antonio can get out of him whatever it is he has clearly identified.

Each to their own opinion but I mean you could cavet/counter a lot of those points very easily mate which probably tells you why Conte wants him.

• High risk on the injury front (Played 40+ games last season with no major issues)
• Difficult to identify what he does well (Dribbling, creativity, ball carrying)
• Difficult to identify where he plays (RWF primarily but can play LWF and AM if needed)
• Recent performances last season which could be most generously described as just about ok (Scored a hat-trick in ECL QF and scored in the final so big goals in their biggest games of the season)
• Stats which show his passing is not very good (he's more a dribbler than a passer, it would be like saying Sterling's passing stats aren't very good and writing him off as a bad player)

I do agree there are risks with this one but the one point you've not mentioned here is that before his ACL's he was literally THE next big thing in Italy and in Europe and if Conte can unlock/re-ignite that Zaniolo then we will have one heck of a signing on our hands. Say he explodes this coming season for Roma now he's had a full season back after his injury and Roma are building a stronger side and he looks like Zaniolo of a few seasons ago then we'd have zero chance of signing him so its a bit of a risk but as they say 'to dare is to do' the reward/upside here could be massive if he lives up to his potential.

Hope that helps explain a bit more why Conte is considering him. Also he'd for sure be an upgrade on Lucas and we need a 6th attacker so seems Zaniolo fits the type of profile Conte is looking for to fit in with the tactics he favours.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You'd think it will happen if there's willingness on all sides

Anyone have any idea what his chance creation is like? I still feel that's a piece that missing for us - whatever the position

Yea I think this one is more likely than not tbh given Jose's comments on it and the ITK we've had, the Q will be if its a loan with option/obligation or flat out signing, if flat out signing then it is more of a risk so the fee and clauses will have to be carefully structured.

Don't have any stats to hand on his chance creation as I'm not a stats man but from watching him play a lot I'd say his chance creation when he was at his peak would be similar to Kulu's but they're slightly different players as Zaniolo is more of a dribbler and direct runner, he can still thread a through ball etc for sure but I'd say he's a bit better/more of a dribbler/ball carrier than Kulu is but perhaps slightly weaker in direct chance creation but bags of potential to keep improving as he's still very young and as is well known had some major injury set backs.

 

[Timberwolf]

You'd think it will happen if there's willingness on all sides

Anyone have any idea what his chance creation is like? I still feel that's a piece that missing for us - whatever the position

His attacking stats last season:

 

[Ron Burgundy]

His attacking stats last season:

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I think we need to hope that those are a reflection of (i) him getting back up to speed following injury (ii) not being used properly or that they're (like I'm guessing they would for Modric) unlfattering

Because they're not great for a supposed attacker are they?

 

[dirtydave]

Conte might just believe he can mould this guy into something outstanding.

Ex Roma player, Boniek, describes him as “Zaniolo has incredible potential. If you ask people what his position is, then everyone will give you a different response. In my view, he is a classic number nine. He can protect the ball, has physical strength, turns defenders well, is good in the air and can shoot. I always say when I see Vlahovic play that Zaniolo could do just as well. Perhaps even better, because he also has this strong physicality. He really is a great player.”

Anche il Tottenham su Zaniolo

Antonio Conte, allenatore del Totteham Hotpurs sembra intenzionato a convincere il suo consiglio di amministrazione a fare un'offerta per Nicolò Zaniolo. Il tecnico italiano è sulle...

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That sounds rather exciting!

 

[Jlimbac0]

I'm in the same boat as many others. He's not my favorite or one I'd pick. But, I keep coming back to one fact when I think about it. Conte knows how to win titles. None of us do. He wants him? Get him.

 

[HildoSpur]

Conte might just believe he can mould this guy into something outstanding.

Ex Roma player, Boniek, describes him as “Zaniolo has incredible potential. If you ask people what his position is, then everyone will give you a different response. In my view, he is a classic number nine. He can protect the ball, has physical strength, turns defenders well, is good in the air and can shoot. I always say when I see Vlahovic play that Zaniolo could do just as well. Perhaps even better, because he also has this strong physicality. He really is a great player.”

Anche il Tottenham su Zaniolo

Antonio Conte, allenatore del Totteham Hotpurs sembra intenzionato a convincere il suo consiglio di amministrazione a fare un'offerta per Nicolò Zaniolo. Il tecnico italiano è sulle...

www.tuttojuve.com

That sounds rather exciting!

He was the highest rated young player in Italy (and one of the highest rated in Europe) before his injuries. There is one hell of a player in there and Conte obviously thinks he can unlock his potential.