Next Manager Watch

[piedpiper]

I did not like Potter as a manager for Spurs then, and I don't like him for a Spurs manager now.

He does not have what it takes to manage a club with top-of-the-table aspirations. It involves a lot more than tactical nous - which I have never questioned.

We have FA top of the table aspirations. That's gone for the foreseeable future... if that were truly the case the manager and Dof would already be tied up and planning in earnest to clear out the dead wood and lining up replacements would be underway.

We between 12 and 8th from next season. I gave our hierarchy the benefit of doubt after Conte was sacked. We all laugh at Chelsea.... they have their manager lined up. We still scurrying around Europe looking for one.

 

[newbie]

They made the point on View from the Lane that were a hard sell to any potential manager because we have no structure or certainly as a club and I think theyre right.

This is what I think needs to be done.

-Hire a DOF - This should be priority number one. Before anything else.

-Make a decision on Kane. For example say to any potential manager that we can't promise he will sign a new deal as that's his choice but we won't sell him this summer no matter what so you have at least a year with him.

-Offer a minimum transfer budget and say they can raise more through sales. I'd imagine the uncertainty of European football has made a budget quite hard to offer with any real authority.

-Eat a bit of humble pie and tell any manager that yes we're playing catch up but that's an opportunity for you alongside our newly appointed DOF to mould the club. We have a scouting network in place now so we must be getting there in terms of structure.

That gives any manager a degree of certainty. With Munn in place now and then a DOF there is no need for Levy to be getting involved beyond setting budgets. I believe (yes I'm an idiot) that if the DOF was from the Leipzig school of thinking it would be enough to get Nagelsmann but even if for whatever reason inside their brains they still wouldn't want the best manager out there then they can at least offer anyone they did want answers and structure.

This is still very saveable but it needs the chairman and his minions to step back and look at themselves.

we are a shit show

Whatever spin we put on the Slot situation, we wouldn't pay or Feyenoord wouldn't let him go or he was using us to get a better deal, if United, Liverpool or dare I say Arsenal were his option he'd have the contract and be looking for his best parker pen to sign up by now.
Can't shake the feeling there's a toxicity around our club right now.

We have FA top of the table aspirations. That's gone for the foreseeable future... if that were truly the case the manager and Dof would already be tied up and planning in earnest to clear out the dead wood and lining up replacements would be underway.

We between 12 and 8th from next season. I gave our hierarchy the benefit of doubt after Conte was sacked. We all laugh at Chelsea.... they have their manager lined up. We still scurrying around Europe looking for one.

Actually I would worry about a relegation battle at some point if we loose Kane, where are the goals and creativity ? We can’t defend!

 

[Mister Jez]

I don't know if it's just me, but I keep having this nagging thought that Levy actually wants us to fail, relegate even, so this leaves the 'entertainment' venue and the rest of company as the prime focus of the business and pushes the difficult effort and journey to build a successful football team to the background.
Surely someone with the purported intelligence of Levy can see how his toxicity and incompetence is making Spurs not only a laughing stock but a club where no decent manager or DOF wants to go.
I guess this could just be a fanciful and nonsense thought that passes through my mind, but somehow, I can't seem to dismiss it completely.

It's just you.....

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

 

[wiggo24]

Postecoglou is a good manager who's set this Celtic team up really nicely, with modern tactical ideas which would suit any top team. He's not a vastly worse option than Slot was - there were risks with both of them given their lack of experience at the top level.

However, I do think people aren't realising just how shit the Scottish league is, even in comparison to the Eredivise. Outside of Celtic and Rangers, most of the teams in that league are genuinely barely League One quality. Celtic's squad is utterly dominant in that league, yet players like Carter-Vickers (who barely got a kick for us) are key figures.

You might not think that matters, but it really does. It's all well and good saying Postecoglou deserves a chance to test his tactics in a better league (which he does) but up to this point he's basically never had to deal with any teams containing genuinely technical players, or come up against managers with complex tactical ideas - apart from in the CL, where his Celtic team did their best and played some nice stuff but also really struggled to press teams and/or keep possession for significant spells. Part of that is because their quality is so much lower than their opposition, but part of that is evidence that Postecoglou still needs a lot of development before he can be considered a tactically proven prospect.

Realistically, anything other than Nagelsmann (or Gallardo, but we all know that ain't happening) at this point will be a poor result to a cataclysmically shit search process. We can all try to persuade ourselves whoever we get is a smart choice because frankly we need to back them regardless and it's a lot easier to back someone if you've justified why you should in your head, but it's an undeniable fact now that Levy has absolutely fucked this given the manager pool which was available this summer.

 

[Trix]

My 2 cents. Players are assets. You have them and the opportunity to sell them for the length of the contract. If they "fail" and are not first choice anymore they can still serve a squad player role.

A manager is more like an employee and a position in which there's massive turnover. It's already costly to sack one and his coaching staff early, which happens for most coaches across all clubs. Makes it even more so if you've had to pay 15-20 million to get the guy in the first place.

You can't spend the best part of 6 months evaluating and courting managers to take on a long term project with the over riding belief you are going to be sacking them in 18 months.

Seriously guys, stop trying to make sense of all this, because those at the top sure as hell aren't.

We are now genuinely at the point where they are looking for the best save face option. Absolute fucking shambles.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

No idea how Slot could have signed that recontract that soon. Wasn't him very keen to come? I mean I know Levy can be shit, but was it to such an extent that it pissed Slot so much he literally couldn't wait to sign? I know the media could also be a few days slow so things might have already worked out all before Wednesday. But still? If Slot is not using us as leverage to ask for a higher pay, he sure looks like now.

Seriously what the fuck Slot. And we silly fucking celebrate the league title with Feyenoord.

I think we forget how swift deals can be done because we’ve had to put up with Levy for so many years. Think of how quickly BM sacked JN and hired Tuchel. Granted that was extreme but still when both parties really want a deal there is often no need for protracted negotiations.

 

[knowlespurs]

From the deeply uninspiring list that's left I would probably say potter is the best fit, will be easy for levy to manage, decent football and no compensation and probably finish 6th

 

[Yiddo100]

That’s an article of which 2 people have no idea what’s going on so they’ve listed everyone who’s even been remotely linked.

 

[Metalhead]

I think Trix hit the nail on the head earlier. If it was Conte we would pay because of big reputation but even though Slot suits us more Levy can’t get his head around the dynamics of recruitment and why it’s worth over paying in this situation to have someone who actually fits the club.

He seems to treat managers and players like cars, paying more for a Ferrari than a Land Rover without looking at the overall strategic need and that is accepting in certain situations it’s worth overpaying becuase of the situation you find yourself in.

buy cheap buy twice or penny wise pound foolish in short

Definitely.

 

[robertgoulet]

You can't spend the best part of 6 months evaluating and courting managers to take on a long term project with the over riding belief you are going to be sacking them in 18 months.

Seriously guys, stop trying to make sense of all this, because those at the top sure as hell aren't.

We are now genuinely at the point where they are looking for the best save face option. Absolute fucking shambles.

Good news then the best save face option is crawling back to JN and saying we will hire his DoF choice.

 

[WorthATry]

Prof confirming what we basically already know. God, I hate Levy:

Hypothetically, if AS had said "If you want me to leave a place where I'm beloved and have CL football, I need you to show your commitment to me by making a viable compensation offer to Feyenoord before I meet with them about an improved contract. ", and (again, hypothetically) if we had tried a 'take our low-ball offer or we walk away' tactic (a tactic which we have used more than once before), AS may have gained the impression that working for DL would be more aggravating and stressful than he was comfortable with. Hypothetically.

 

[Trix]

Good news then the best save face option is crawling back to JN and saying we will hire his DoF choice.

Ha ha, yeah right.

 

[Shanks]

Club using social media and their PR to test the waters with managers names. Vote against it. They are deliberately gauging fans reactions.,

Fan engagement, Twitter is seriously useful for this, started using it at mclaren a fair few years ago, proper useful insight.
M won’t even cover the concerns if we are literally choosing a manager based on fans response - shows how badly we are run if we didn’t already know this anyway.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

However, I do think people aren't realising just how shit the Scottish league is, even in comparison to the Eredivise. Outside of Celtic and Rangers, most of the teams in that league are genuinely barely League One quality. Celtic's squad is utterly dominant in that league, yet players like Carter-Vickers (who barely got a kick for us) are key figures.

Not sure the Argentinian league is any better, yet Gallardo seems to be wanted by all.

Again, I know I’ve stressed this a lot, but I’m really yet to see the hype around this guy, while we dismiss others like Ange so quickly.

 

[ukdy]

I think we forget how swift deals can be done because we’ve had to put up with Levy for so many years.

Poch sacked and Jose in... was lightning quick. 1 day or less.
Nuno sacked and Conte in... was also pretty swift. 2/3 days

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Prof confirming what we basically already know. God, I hate Levy:

Hypothetically, if AS had said "If you want me to leave a place where I'm beloved and have CL football, I need you to show your commitment to me by making a viable compensation offer to Feyenoord before I meet with them about an improved contract. ", and (again, hypothetically) if we had tried a 'take our low-ball offer or we walk away' tactic (a tactic which we have used more than once before), AS may have gained the impression that working for DL would be more aggravating and stressful than he was comfortable with. Hypothetically.

Hypothetically, we're fucked

 

[Donki]

Poch sacked and Jose in... was lightning quick. 1 day or less.
Nuno sacked and Conte in... was also pretty swift. 2/3 days

This is a little different, closed season.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Poch sacked and Jose in... was lightning quick. 1 day or less.
Nuno sacked and Conte in... was also pretty swift. 2/3 days

Just a guess, but I think both of those deals were in the works long before the managers were sacked.

 

[Shanks]

Hypothetically, we're fucked

Not even hypothetically pal