Next Manager Watch

[NorthernYido]

I accept some of those criticisms of Poch but to just casually ignore the improvement in players under his tenure is criminal.

Jan- Was not even a nailed on starter the season before Poch arrives and playing awfully under Sherwood.

Walker- A player of potential but he could not defend and liable to constant errors.

Rose- Out on loan to Sunderland. Nobody envisioned him ever becoming a first team player

Dembele- Like Jan, was a technically gifted player but was far from being a superstar

Eriksen- No doubt a talent but disappeared too often and was too lightweight pre Poch.

To say he somehow landed on a ludicrously talented squad is demonstrably not true. Of course he was blessed with a generational talent in Kane but the improvement in the side was down to his coaching and the spirit he galvanised within the club. He has his faults but his sacking was a betrayal and travesty which the club had never healed from and I personally feel that whether he succeeds or fails he is owed the chance to carry on the work he should never have been removed from. He was owed a bad season given what he had achieved and Levy chose short-termism.

To add to this . With Poch, he was arguably the only manager we've had under Enic to succeed how Levy wants it. Buy/ harness young players into 1. a successful team 2. appreciated assets financially. He did it and took us to the precipice of success, and when it was time to back him and push onto the next level (a situation Levy had never found himself in), he was let down.
How it ended Poch needs to take some responsibility for. Regardless of how bad he was let down, it turned toxic and i was in the camp for him going at the time.
He will always be a spurs legend to me (alithough i wish he'd never wrote that book!). My heart would have him back in an instance. My head says that it would all end in tragedy, Poch now understands the gig under Levy as do we all.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Lo Celso and N'dombele alone is nearly a hundred million quids

If they were worth that, we would have sold.

Nobody was buying what we were selling, at prices Levy would accept.

 

[Albertbarich]

I agree that the manager should have done a better job, but you can't say our culture is fine when we've had so many coaches. Are ALL of them no good? If that is the case, then Levy surely should take responsibility for constantly hiring the wrong man, no? We can't have it both ways.

As for modern Man Utd, yes, they won the league cup, but we're still above them in the league (with them having 2 games in hand admittedly). Ten Hag hasn't improved them beyond what Ole did last year with all that turmoil. They've conceded 9 goals in their last three and haven't won in their last three. It's not much of a turnaround.


It's definitely a problem with the wages in the EPL. I can totally agree with that. But the issues remained: we bought players the manager didn't ask for and failed to get what we needed yet again (a decent CB). I'll give Levy some credit, though: he supported Conte more than most, but the central issue wasn't changed: the players don't respond to managers. We've had so many now and the same issue remains, even with different players, hence it's a cultural issue at the club. What else could it be if not that?



Absolutely agree. I'm all for players moving on a free (or for low fees) in order to get them out. It's not that I dislike Dier, or some others but if we're to have a new (better) culture at the club, we need a clearout at all levels (including the board). If it means letting Dier and Sanchez go on a free in the summer, so be it. I'd also look at people like PEH -- we could get a fee for him from an EPL team. A few of those would send a strong message (again, I don't hate PEH or anything, but we have a lot of similar players and he's been here long enough to have been a part of the bad culture).

They haven't responded to three managers. Let's not say Poch as it was a different squad and we know there were some external circumstances at the end of a long relationship.

When you look at those three managers I don't think it's as simple as saying the players downed tools. Hiring Mourinho and Conte is almost like setting a hand grenade off in a room and seeing who survives.

Let's see but I honestly truly believe that if we get a positive , enthused manager who gets everyone onside we will start looking at things very differently.

 

[carpediem991]

I want Klinsmann as new DoF and Nagelsmann as Manager.
New Assistant Steffen Freund

ziege could come back and would still Play LB

Don't want Klinsmann and Freund anywhere near of sport related decisions. Appreciate them as club legends but I don't think they belong in a modern progressive club set up with their "success" in the last years.

 

[Albertbarich]

If they were worth that, we would have sold.

Nobody was buying what we were selling, at prices Levy would accept.

It's what we paid but point taken we may have been asking for too much but even if we were do you think those two lads were taking a pay cut? I bet Lo Celso is on over 100k a week, ain't nobody giving him that

 

[rossdapep]

I agree that the manager should have done a better job, but you can't say our culture is fine when we've had so many coaches. Are ALL of them no good? If that is the case, then Levy surely should take responsibility for constantly hiring the wrong man, no? We can't have it both ways.

As for modern Man Utd, yes, they won the league cup, but we're still above them in the league (with them having 2 games in hand admittedly). Ten Hag hasn't improved them beyond what Ole did last year with all that turmoil. They've conceded 9 goals in their last three and haven't won in their last three. It's not much of a turnaround.


It's definitely a problem with the wages in the EPL. I can totally agree with that. But the issues remained: we bought players the manager didn't ask for and failed to get what we needed yet again (a decent CB). I'll give Levy some credit, though: he supported Conte more than most, but the central issue wasn't changed: the players don't respond to managers. We've had so many now and the same issue remains, even with different players, hence it's a cultural issue at the club. What else could it be if not that?



Absolutely agree. I'm all for players moving on a free (or for low fees) in order to get them out. It's not that I dislike Dier, or some others but if we're to have a new (better) culture at the club, we need a clearout at all levels (including the board). If it means letting Dier and Sanchez go on a free in the summer, so be it. I'd also look at people like PEH -- we could get a fee for him from an EPL team. A few of those would send a strong message (again, I don't hate PEH or anything, but we have a lot of similar players and he's been here long enough to have been a part of the bad culture).

Regarding the culture.

I think its pretty clear now that this club, fans and players need a coach who brings an air of positivity and focuses on developing them.

We do not have the foundations or experience for these coaches who need mentally strong players who can win by whatever it takes.

Our culture is to be brave, to take the game to the opposition and to try to win our way.

I know we look back on the CL defeat and the cup semis and say Poch wasnt clued enough tactically. But I also think it was a lack of options that did us.

Intensifying the attack may have worked but we didn't have the options to do it.

The regret is we should have listened to Poch and we should have significantly boosted our squad with vibrant potential that could have played the Poch way but given him more of it

 

[SlotBadger]

Only highlights I know but watch how Slot's AZ totally dismantled PSV

Beautiful football

Number 7 for AZ looks good in this video, but I'm unsure which is more horrifying: seeing a guy's front teeth smashed out or the finishing of AZ's number 9.

 

[C-oops]

Watch it.

They were battering them before they went down to 10.

We've just watched a Tottenham team lose control of a game against a 10 man team.

AZ went for the kill

I think "battering" is a touch hyperbolic. Not saying he's no good for us but that isn't a good example to use to show it

 

[Styopa]

See this is where I disagree slightly, I think, as elite professional footballers, they should have the right mentality to want to improve and should relish the opportunity to work with and learn from a very successful coach and player.

I agree. Although I don't think this squad is full of individuals unwilling to learn or improve.

Nearly all of them are experienced internationals who have represented their nations at the highest levels. They've played at World Cups and European Championships. Some of them have even won World Cups or other major international tournaments. Some of them have played in a Champions League final. The majority of them have won major league titles in other countries.

Fair enough if the squad was full of jokers like Bentley or Adebayor, talented individuals with the wrong attitude. But that's not the case.

I think to understand the malaise you have to look beyond the players to the culture of management at the club.

 

[rossdapep]

The unfortunate reality is getting the correct dof is more important and that will be harder than manager due to a smaller pool of options

I wonder how much dofs get? I assume nowhere near what elite managers get so maybe, just maybe Levy could offer a dof a salary they just can't refuse.

Just seen that highest paid director is on 3m a year. Paul Barber is on 2m so around 45k a week. Lucas is on double that... Who do you think would be more important?

Surely if Levy offered Barber or someone equivalent what he gives Lucas we would be in a much healthy position.

A DOF for us right now is the single most important recruit

Lucas as DOF??

 

[Stamford]

I want Klinsmann as new DoF and Nagelsmann as Manager.
New Assistant Steffen Freund

ziege could come back and would still Play LB

Freund was an awful player and a laughing stock. Crazy idea but so mad i like it.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If Stellini goes with the same formation and tactics again this weekend, things could turn ugly very quickly. PEH and Skipp will be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

I actually have different view point to than this. I could see us beating Brighton because we fair better against attacking teams that allow us to sit deep and counter.

 

[Styopa]

If they were worth that, we would have sold.

Nobody was buying what we were selling, at prices Levy would accept.

I wonder if it has more to do with their salaries, especially in the case of Ndombele.

Unless we're making big loan fees on him, why would we be determined to hold out for a high transfer fee? He'll walk for nothing in a year or two anyway.

 

[Bosher]

One of the main issues with Poch was the injuries and then loss of dembele who proved to be irreplaceable, if only we had him in the CL final, might changed the outcome

The importance of the loss of Dembele can't be overstated enough. He has never been properly replaced and we've not been the same team since. In my eyes, the most underrated player ever to grace the pitch.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

I can see the argument that Nagelsmann has just lost his dream job and would see us as a step down from that, so maybe not the right time. But then if he gets working with the players and he feels them taking on his ideas it could be just the remedy, couldn't it? He can reflect and stew on past mistakes in the evenings and on the bus after away games.

Either way Slot sounds very promising so I'd be happy with him, I do wonder if the senior players would respond to a newer name, who hasn't really been managing very long.

 

[TPdYID]

Number 7 for AZ looks good in this video, but I'm unsure which is more horrifying: seeing a guy's front teeth smashed out or the finishing of AZ's number 9.

Sounds like that game “would you rather”?

I’ll match your AZ video & raise you…

Would you rather re-watch Ghaly’s teeth being knocked-out? or Mido’s finishing?

 

[Silky Skills]

I think if we get top 4 we get Nagelsman

With the form of Villa and Brighton we will be lucky to get Europe

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

I think if we get top 4 we get Nagelsman

That's such a big IF it can be seen from the moon

 

[TPdYID]

The importance of the loss of Dembele can't be overstated enough. He has never been properly replaced and we've not been the same team since. In my eyes, the most underrated player ever to grace the pitch.

The fact he was ‘one-of-a-kind’ makes replacing him all but impossible. Only Yaya in recent memory comes close and that’s not an accurate comparison either.

Ndombele was supposed to be Moussa & more…the less said about that one, the better.

 

[Metalhead]

Slot is fluent so no worries there.

@SlotBadger fair play to you for having the foresight to name yourself after our potential next coach.