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Darth Vega

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I’m actually slightly horrified by the reaction to the Emma Hayes suggestion. Can I just say that if you’re dismissing it, or ‘liking’ posts dismissing it, then it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does Emma Hayes or any other female manager. There was a time when a foreign manager managing in England would have seemed abhorrent. Explain to me what it is that makes women incapable of managing a team of men? Happens all the time in the workplace…are they devoid of tactical nous? Player management? Do they not understand how to set up technical training? I’m genuinely fascinated why a woman can’t do it, please enlighten me. And if it’s just that “it’s never been done before” then fuck me, let’s never introduce any change whatsoever. Let’s go back to kicking a pigs bladder around a field with no offsides and 16 players on a team.
My rating is set to take a battering here I’m sure but I don’t care.
I don't think the majority would dismiss it on the grounds of sexism - not on this forum anyway - but with all due respect you'd have to be blind to be unable to see the issues with that sort of appointment. The stigma alone that would exist from sections of the fanbase and more importantly the dressing room itself would be enough to kill it dead in quick time. We can pretend this wouldn't be the case but it'd be incredibly naive; your heart may be in the right place but you're not in that dressing room. Even in some of the examples you mention, women in positions of power in ordinary jobs are constantly fighting an uphill battle to command respect despite them being more than qualified to do their job; imagine that in football.

The women's game is also a different thing entirely. It's no different to people having reservations about someone like Ange Postecoglou because he's managed in crap leagues that are nowhere near the quality of the Premier League. If those criticisms are valid there then they're equally valid for someone like Emma Hayes.
 

Trix

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I’m actually slightly horrified by the reaction to the Emma Hayes suggestion. Can I just say that if you’re dismissing it, or ‘liking’ posts dismissing it, then it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does Emma Hayes or any other female manager. There was a time when a foreign manager managing in England would have seemed abhorrent. Explain to me what it is that makes women incapable of managing a team of men? Happens all the time in the workplace…are they devoid of tactical nous? Player management? Do they not understand how to set up technical training? I’m genuinely fascinated why a woman can’t do it, please enlighten me. And if it’s just that “it’s never been done before” then fuck me, let’s never introduce any change whatsoever. Let’s go back to kicking a pigs bladder around a field with no offsides and 16 players on a team.
My rating is set to take a battering here I’m sure but I don’t care.
I think she's a real breath of fresh air and possibly my favourite pundit on TV. She's an excellent manager and certainly knows the game inside out. That said I have no doubt we'd find it even more difficult than we do now to bring top players in if she were manager. It's sad but it's true.
 

EastUpperDK82

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Clean slate... don't screw it up Mr. Levy... it's up to you 🤔🤪😊 ... surely Paratici will have nothing to say in the manager hunt now...
 

fishhhandaricecake

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This is something that the whole club, including the fanbase, needs to accept if we go down a 'project' route (which we should).

It won't happen of course because...football...but I agree at least two full seasons as a minimum before any whinging is allowed
I suppose there has to be a balance/caveat to that, fully fully behind this approach and the fans need to be patient and if we hire a good capable manager like we did with Poch for example then patience will pay off, that being said if whoever we hire comes in and it starts off like Frank De Boer did trying to play total football with C.Palace where they lost all 4 of the first games without scoring then we might have an issue lol but that shouldn't happen with our squad so yes in theory 2 seasons is a reasonable timeframe before any proper whinging should be allowed.

Different times now but Fergie took a good 4-5 seasons to get Man.U to click, thinks are more in place now and move faster so I think I agree the equivalent should be about 2 seasons and if we get the right man in we should see shoots of encouragement in performances and results even if we have ups and downs and aren't consistent whilst we try to change approach.
 

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Clean slate... don't screw it up Mr. Levy... it's up to you 🤔🤪😊 ... surely Paratici will have nothing to say in the manager hunt now...
Or not until after the appeal. In the meantime has his mobile and all associated numbers been confiscated?
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Paratici has been banned worldwide.

Get rid. I've liked a lot of his signings tbf as they've been a good mixture. But now we need to get a new manager/ DOF project going.

That is actually good news tbh, we need a clean break and full restart this summer.

Get an DofF and Manager who align with the clubs true philosophy and DNA and the type of football we want to see.

Hopefully this means it is less likely that we will end up with Allegri or Sarri as our new manager if Fabio is soon to be out the door.

This is yet another opportunity for Levy to get the reset right....... *won't hold my breath but lets see*
 

Albertbarich

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I’m actually slightly horrified by the reaction to the Emma Hayes suggestion. Can I just say that if you’re dismissing it, or ‘liking’ posts dismissing it, then it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does Emma Hayes or any other female manager. There was a time when a foreign manager managing in England would have seemed abhorrent. Explain to me what it is that makes women incapable of managing a team of men? Happens all the time in the workplace…are they devoid of tactical nous? Player management? Do they not understand how to set up technical training? I’m genuinely fascinated why a woman can’t do it, please enlighten me. And if it’s just that “it’s never been done before” then fuck me, let’s never introduce any change whatsoever. Let’s go back to kicking a pigs bladder around a field with no offsides and 16 players on a team.
My rating is set to take a battering here I’m sure but I don’t care.
As I said before. If you want to prove a point about women being managers I'm more than happy for you, just do it away from us.

If she is that great I'm sure that lovely , classy club that employs her and she loves her so much will give her a chance. ( They won't )
 

ginola99

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Levy tried a Mini-2004 style rebuild back in 2021 with a DoF appointment as well new manager.

This has spectacularly blown up in his face. It's been like watching a major Air Force declare all out war and then all the aircraft simultaneously crash into a fire works factory which is next door to a Clown School.
 

RobjDerby

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Considering our current run with experienced managers of the mens game, I dont think it would be fair to anyone involved to be the first premier league side to employ a female first team mananger.
She;s not exactly gonna be setup for success.
I like EH at lot, but I wouldn't wish our club on her, or anyone at this point actually.

Levy can do it all himself for all I care.
 

O'Brien

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i am wondering if it's down to these 2 guys, who would you rather have and why? 2 guys who are not the most popular picks among fans but look quite interesting...

Ange Postecoglou and Arne Slot
Postecoglou, Slot, Gallardo, or Nagelsmann for me.
 

YB123

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The more I've looked into them, I'd take either tbh. It needs to be said though that both will need time to put their stamp on things. If we go for a progressive project type coach they should be given 2 full Summer windows minimum regardless of how things are on the pitch. Every manager on the "list" plays a certain way and that'll take time to put into practice.

When you look at what Slot has achieved so far, its actually remarkable.

Got AZ to second in his first ever season as a manager. Second season the form continued had something like a 70% win rate i think?!

Gets sacked for flirting with Feyenoord which is fair enough but in his first season gets Feyenoord back to 3rd and a runners up in the Conference League. Watched that game and remember being so impressed, they absolutely battered Roma and Smalling had the game of his life.

This season he has them 6 points clear and a Quarter final place in the Europa League.

Its looking like a seriously impressive CV for a young manager. Could be worth a gamble if higher targets dont pay off.
 
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Cochise

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I'm sorry, but aside from the manager debacle that resulted in Nuno, Paratici has been great.

He's got rid of players we didn't need, brought in a very good group of players all with room to improve as they mature and completely renovated our back room staff.

Those cheering his dismissal are equal parts ungrateful and blind.
 

Danny1

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I’m actually slightly horrified by the reaction to the Emma Hayes suggestion. Can I just say that if you’re dismissing it, or ‘liking’ posts dismissing it, then it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does Emma Hayes or any other female manager. There was a time when a foreign manager managing in England would have seemed abhorrent. Explain to me what it is that makes women incapable of managing a team of men? Happens all the time in the workplace…are they devoid of tactical nous? Player management? Do they not understand how to set up technical training? I’m genuinely fascinated why a woman can’t do it, please enlighten me. And if it’s just that “it’s never been done before” then fuck me, let’s never introduce any change whatsoever. Let’s go back to kicking a pigs bladder around a field with no offsides and 16 players on a team.
My rating is set to take a battering here I’m sure but I don’t care.

Oh dear, I think you are mistaking sexism for people not wanting a non-league level manager to take over our club. I don't doubt that she has a good football brain, but then I have played under some managers who were excellent when discussing tactics.

Fact is, I wouldn't want the manager of a non-league team playing fantastic football at Tottenham. The level is way way way above that. I would have no problem at all with Emma getting a job in League 1 or 2 & seeing how she gets on. Then she can work her way through the leagues like the 99% of managers have had to do previous to her. The only way people jump straight to the top is if they had wonderful playing careers i.e. Lampard, Gerrard & Vieira to name a few.
 

Timberwolf

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When you look at what Slot has achieved so far, its actually remarkable.

Got AZ to second in his first ever season as a manager. Second the form continued had something like a 70% win rate i think?!

Gets sacked for flirting with Feyenoord which is fair enough but in his first season gets them back to 3rd and a runners up in the Conference League. Watched that game and remember being so impressed, they absolutely battered Roma and Smalling had the game of his life.

This season he has them 6 points clear and a Quarter final place in the Europa League.

Its looking like a seriously impressive CV for a young manager. Could be worth a gamble if higher targets dont pay off.
Ignoring Ten Hag only to then sign up his younger, better, balder protégé.

The masterplan is coming together...
 

Ghost Hardware

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If your Nagelsmann, Gallardo, Enrique or any of our targets would you agree to go to a club where the DoF employed by the club is currently banned from working in Europe? Especially if thus far in your career you have worked with one at every club you've been at. Yes he might not be banned for anything he has done here but that has to play on your mind when thinking about the job. I can't imagine if your Nagelsmann and already reeling from being sacked by BM your going to think its necessarily the best career move no matter what Levy tells you.
 

YB123

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I'm sorry, but aside from the manager debacle that resulted in Nuno, Paratici has been great.

He's got rid of players we didn't need, brought in a very good group of players all with room to improve as they mature and completely renovated our back room staff.

Those cheering his dismissal are equal parts ungrateful and blind.

This is a bit OTT.

But i agree I think generally player recruitment has been pretty good.

Romero, Kulu, Bentnacur, Porro all look like key players for the future, same with Udogie and now maybe Spence.. And I think any criticism of Bissouma is harsh so far.

His managerial appointments and preferences are pretty woeful though.
 

YB123

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If your Nagelsmann, Gallardo, Enrique or any of our targets would you agree to go to a club where the DoF employed by the club is currently banned from working in Europe? Especially if thus far in your career you have worked with one at every club you've been at. Yes he might not be banned for anything he has done here but that has to play on your mind when thinking about the job. I can't imagine if your Nagelsmann and already reeling from being sacked by BM your going to think its necessarily the best career move no matter what Levy tells you.

I dont disagree with any of that. But EPL jobs are rare, especially a top 6 club. World class facilities (i know zzzz), live in London, £10/15m a year and no pressure to win silverware from above. Its never going to be unappealing.
 
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