Next Manager Watch

[JCRD]

Oh I’m not saying it shouldn’t, not in any way. It most certainly should, and like you, I hope it is being discussed back stage as well if this is what is going to happen. I just meant that it’s disappointing that we are already getting to that stage and yet again it’s another waisted season.

Yeah agreed but it goes to show I guess it needs the commitment from both sides and whilst that isnt there, this discussion will always happen. I think as soon as those discussions happen though with the fans, we all know it ends one way and this will end in the way we all think it will end. Whether it is then Poch or not, who knows, i suspect it will be Poch.

 

[mil1lion]

We need a Next Owner Watch thread

 

[TOLBINY]

What are you smoking? The only three players that were genuinely peak were Hugo, Super Jan and Toby. Poch coached the others

Ok so some were already peak and some Poch coached to their peak - however they came to their peak - he still HAD all those players at their peak and won nothing.

 

[JCRD]

The fact that we keep throwing away seasons (the final Jose one, the nuno one and now this one - basically three out of the last four) is so poor from the decision makers at the club and a disgrace to players like Kane.

No tto sound like a Levy apologist, I think he has made a rod for his own back. I think him bringing in Conte and Jose does show he wants trophies but how we are going about it is all wrong and shows they werent really going to fit in with the strategy. I do think levy and Enic and anyone else - went beyond what they should have decided and by that I mean going against what we all know is who we are. That doesnt mean we wouldnt have shown ambition by going for a project manager but it is about understanding our limitations.

 

[mr ashley]

I guess if you lived through the 90’s only it’s ok. If you lived during the 80’s or the 60’s it must be hard to see what was a big winning club lowered to this. Feels like Sugar degraded the club and Levy stopped the rot but said this will do, don’t want to be too ambitious.

If so the only choice is to get a manager who will at least play attacking high press football.

It’s hard though because there are alternative ways to win, and two of the managers we hired had incredible success playing this way at big clubs.
Sadly levy thought it was as simple as just hiring these managers and saying ‘get on with it then’

 

[mr ashley]

No tto sound like a Levy apologist, I think he has made a rod for his own back. I think him bringing in Conte and Jose does show he wants trophies but how we are going about it is all wrong and shows they werent really going to fit in with the strategy. I do think levy and Enic and anyone else - went beyond what they should have decided and by that I mean going against what we all know is who we are. That doesnt mean we wouldnt have shown ambition by going for a project manager but it is about understanding our limitations.

Yes in my last post I addressed this.

levy just thinks that by building the stadium, training ground and hiring a winning manager it will all fall into place.
its sport’s administration by numbers

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Poch had
peak Hugo
peak Walker *
peak Rose *
peak Toby *
peak Jan *
peak Dembele *
peak Eriksen *
peak Dele *
peak Kane
+ Son
and won no trophies (* they walk into our starting 11 right now at their peak)

Conte has
peak Romero
peak Bentacur
peak Kane
+ Son & Kulusevski

Yet none of those players you listed were considered to be 'peak' when Pochettino took over.

 

[nigespurs]

I categorically do not want to see us covet another Chelsea manager.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

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With Levy that is all you need on the CV

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

To be fair I do think we have a fair bit of planning going on behind the scenes.
the problem is last time we had a good range of options available to us (nagelsmann, flick, poch, ten hag, conte) but they were quite different and we were the least decisive you could be in a recruitment process. The fact that the first two took their dream jobs ahead of us didn’t help either.

Really the problem is that the board are so desperate to copy chelsea had that they don’t have a clear plan about our identity

I don't think it was us being indecisive, I think it was instead those managers all being decisive and turning us down due to the expectations of the job not matching the resources that were going to be provided.

 

[mr ashley]

I don't think it was us being indecisive, I think it was instead those managers all being decisive and turning us down due to the expectations of the job not matching the resources that were going to be provided.

Well apart from the last two I agree

We turned down ten hag
And conte decided after a while that he was prepared to try it

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Well apart from the last two I agree

We turned down ten hag
And conte decided after a while that he was prepared to try it

With his fingers crossed behind his back, in case we didn’t buy him a word class squad…

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Well apart from the last two I agree

We turned down ten hag
And conte decided after a while that he was prepared to try it

Lol.... as if we turned down Ten Hag (and if for some unfathomable reason we actually did then that would be even more damning on our chairman).

I think the resources promised to Conte the second time around (when Levy was desperate) were simply closer to matching the minimum required to get into the CL at a club where the chairman has a tendency sack their manager if it appears he will miss out on qualifying for the CL.

 

[DiVaio]

100%. The rose tinted view of Poch is really beginning to grind my gears.

We won the square root of f*** all under him, had the same complaints about his rigid tactIcs and lack of subs as people are levelling at Conte, were terrible for the last 9 months he was here and he openly agitated to leave, flirted with bigger clubs.....and announced that he was considering leaving the night before our biggest game in history which was horrifically stupid and unforgiveable (while we did well to get to that final....lets not pretend that we weren't very, very fortunate in the previous 2 rounds).

I don't want him back.

The same complaints about his rigid tactics? Most of people are complaining about diamond formation which in reality only proves that he wasn't that rigid as it was another formation used by him. Even in 19/20 alone he tried a couple of different formations. Under Conte we have played only one game not in 343 or 352. The same with subs, he was using them much more.
We weren't very fortunate against Ajax ajax, we were very good with over 4 xG in this game.

 

[Metalhead]

I guess if you lived through the 90’s only it’s ok. If you lived during the 80’s or the 60’s it must be hard to see what was a big winning club lowered to this. Feels like Sugar degraded the club and Levy stopped the rot but said this will do, don’t want to be too ambitious.

If so the only choice is to get a manager who will at least play attacking high press football.

I think what is hard is the disjointed approach even more than spend. We have spent big and we've had the ambition but we've had big signings that haven't worked - and tbf at least Levy has acknowledged that. We've then had the punt signings - and we know who they are - no need to list them and then we've had the big name coaches but with no semblance of whether they really can fit the club's ethos.

 

[Cochise]

Whoever comes in, they have to be ready for project reset. This summer is all going to be about getting new defenders in and trying to get rid of the shower of shit we have back there. Kane goes and we have a bit to spend on other areas. If Levy keeps him another season without signs of a renewal then he's beyond stubborn.

Gallardo does seem like a bright pick. Reading and watching things about his River Plate side makes me think that our current squad isn't miles off being what he could work with. Still needs a couple of decent CB's though.

 

[daveduvet]

Didn’t know where else to plonk this. I spoke to a professional football manager ex-spurs man the other day. I suggested that Sean Dyche could have been a fit for us. He said he’d spoken to Sean in taking up his post at Everton: they’re mates. Dyche put out an individual job app type questionnaire to each player asking the kind of questions: why du want to be here; what du think you bring to the club etc. Very individualised plan to sort the wheat from the chaff and to see who’s on board.

 

[Cochise]

Didn’t know where else to plonk this. I spoke to a professional football manager ex-spurs man the other day. I suggested that Sean Dyche could have been a fit for us. He said he’d spoken to Sean in taking up his post at Everton: they’re mates. Dyche put out an individual job app type questionnaire to each player asking the kind of questions: why du want to be here; what du think you bring to the club etc. Very individualised plan to sort the wheat from the chaff and to see who’s on board.

Kind of why I hated hearing Richarlison saying he wanted to join in order to fulfil a dream of playing in the Champions League.

 

[Wadec]

I cannot see anyone other than Poch coming in next. I would be astounded if it wasn't him.

I have the same concerns as others, I would feel a lot more comfortable if this discussion was in a years time and Poch had taken the Sevilla or Villa job. We could see first hand any amendments or changes Poch had made since his time here and with PSG. I can't help but feel since the Poch left Paris he and Levy have been waiting for a reunion.

Not against Poch as I have the utmost respect for him and we will likely be rebuilding for the next few windows. Poch has proven he can take a young squad and mould them to a very good side. Would need a DOF to assist though as the ready made player signings left a lot of questions to be asked.

Other than Poch, I do love the sound of Gallardo. I won't pretend to know huge amounts about him but from what I've read and watched he seems very exciting and would be the 'cleanest' new start for me.

I wouldn't object to Amorim or even Potter if he was to leave Chelsea. I do like both and think the recruitment we have made for Conte would suit both of them also. However, in all honesty I don't want us recruiting our next coach to maximise the current squad. I want us to get the best coach to shape our squad moving forward, if they play a system that suits some of our current players then great, but I don't want that to play a major role in our recruitment process.

The other option would be De Zerbi, really impressive coach and clearly Paratici is a fan. However, as Fab is unlikely to be here I don't see this being a realistic option as he hasn't been there long and has a high release clause (in terms of managers).

 

[rossdapep]

Didn’t know where else to plonk this. I spoke to a professional football manager ex-spurs man the other day. I suggested that Sean Dyche could have been a fit for us. He said he’d spoken to Sean in taking up his post at Everton: they’re mates. Dyche put out an individual job app type questionnaire to each player asking the kind of questions: why du want to be here; what du think you bring to the club etc. Very individualised plan to sort the wheat from the chaff and to see who’s on board.

I think Dyche confirmed this in a talksport interview. I remember hearing him say something similar and really liking it. But he also told the players not to put their names on it?