Next Manager Watch

[Impspur1]

I’ve touched in this before but to repeat. I understand that Joe Lewis has let Levy run the football side of things at Tottenham because he has made barrow loads of money for ENIC through his property developments. Nevertheless there has to come a point where he says enough is enough, that’s one too many screwups on the football side of things. The last 2 weeks are a complete PR disaster and the blame can only be on Levy. On top of which, if rumours are true, his presence as chairman is becoming a reason why prospective mangers are turning us down.
I continue to be baffled why they don’t restrict Levy to what he’s good at - the property side of the business - and appoint a competent CEO to run the football club. It would save them so much grief and they would still be making money.
In any other business Levy would be relieved of his position. Makes you wonder what hold he has on Lewis if this fiasco isn’t enough to move him aside.

Not if Lewis isn’t bothered about the football side

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Conte does that pretty much every time he leaves a club, he did the same at Chelsea. One way or another, the Paratici issue will be resolved in May at the latest, not ideal but very much a temporary issue.
We hired Poch after out Academy manager was in charge for over half a season. Man Utd brought in ETH when they had a temporary manager, it really isn't an issue at all.
LLoris will need to be replaced anyway and we have a squad of good players not just Kane.

Who would take the Spurs job? We pay our managers one of the highest wages in football (Conte was the 4th highest paid), we play in the most attractive league in the world, constantly in contention for a Champions league place, play in the most attractive city in England, have one of the best grounds in the world and one of the best training ground in the world.

Everton were a mess and managed to get Anchelotti, we were a mess and managed to get Conte, people considered Man Utd a mess and they got ETH, Liverpool were a mess and they got Klopp, Chelsea are a bigger mess currently, do you think they will struggle to get a manager?

People are emotional at the moment and I get that , but a bit of perspective is needed.

Fair play mate that’s a nice positive spin on the situation and all very fair points.

Only thing is we still have Levy in charge of the decisions and more often than not on the football side of things he’s got it wrong especially when it comes to managers.

Hoddle - did an ok job with an old squad 6/10

Santini - pretty poor job, boring defensive football, didn’t speak the language well enough , not a good fit 4/10

Jol - did an excellent job building us up as a club, loved BMJ but only hired by fluke as he was the assistant to Santini 8/10 job but not a Levy direct managerial hire.

Ramos - won us league cup but nearly got us relegated the way we were going. That being said did Levy agree to sell Berbatov and replace him with Fraiser Campbell and also sell Robbie Keane or was that Ramos idea? 5 or 6/10 overall

Redknapp 8/10 - to be fair levy tried to hire him a few years before this and he was the perfect man to get us out of a hole and then he did amazing so Levy got that one right for sure

AVB 6/10 - decent points total early on but how much was him vs how much was it bale. Ultimately not successful with us

Poch 10/10 - phenomenal job. Credit levy for the hire however if he’d had his way we’d have got Louis Van Gaal instead…

Then it’s gone very downhill

Jose 5/10 - got us to a cup final but pretty poor in the league and created a toxic cloud over the club , fair play for trying the win now quick fix route but in heindsight it was a terrible fit for us

Nuno 1/10 - genuinely the worst spurs manager since Christian Gross. The summer search was a farce. Weirdly Levy probably had it along the right lines with Fonseca a project manager likeable guy who plays attractive football and understood our DNA but ironically this time Levy was overruled by Paratici who went for Gattuso then ended up with Nuno

Conte 7/10 - gets a 7 all things considered because he got us top4 from 9th and a mess 1st season then this season he had personal issues galore but the performances and football has been shocking and he’s acted like he was doing us a favour the whole time, preaching patience meanwhile not committing to a longer deal. Bad fit in terms of style of play yet again and bad fit in terms of personality.

Pre Poch the manager hires we’re hit and miss but not appalling, same with our recruitment, Poch was the golden days and then post poch it’s been an utter disaster.

Lets see how it plays out.

 

[West Stand Story]

I’ve touched in this before but to repeat. I understand that Joe Lewis has let Levy run the football side of things at Tottenham because he has made barrow loads of money for ENIC through his property developments. Nevertheless there has to come a point where he says enough is enough, that’s one too many screwups on the football side of things. The last 2 weeks are a complete PR disaster and the blame can only be on Levy. On top of which, if rumours are true, his presence as chairman is becoming a reason why prospective mangers are turning us down.
I continue to be baffled why they don’t restrict Levy to what he’s good at - the property side of the business - and appoint a competent CEO to run the football club. It would save them so much grief and they would still be making money.
In any other business Levy would be relieved of his position. Makes you wonder what hold he has on Lewis if this fiasco isn’t enough to move him aside.

As Levy is in charge effectively at Spurs AFAIK, who is gonna sack him
ENIC have turned a 200 million (?) investment into a 4 billion (?) asset
Seems they're happy with that, yes I think Levy wants to win trophies, but is it really that important to ENIC they would sack such a money making chairman, dont see it myself

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The more I think about it the more I cannot see it being Poch.

2 ITK’s I believe have said Poch is unlikely or that Levy is having 2nd thoughts on Poch and for once I actually agree with Levy on this.

I love Poch as much as the next Spurs fan but the situation we are in I think a fresh start is needed. I’m sure Poch could do a decent job but as soon as / if it started going wrong fans would lose patience quite quickly whereas with a new fresh under the radar project manager if they play good football I think the fans will give them time.

That all being said if Poch did join and he got off to a flyer the momentum could really carry us a long way.

 

[spurs9]

Fair play mate that’s a nice positive spin on the situation and all very fair points.

Only thing is we still have Levy in charge of the decisions and more often than not on the football side of things he’s got it wrong especially when it comes to managers.

Hoddle - did an ok job with an old squad 6/10

Santini - pretty poor job, boring defensive football, didn’t speak the language well enough , not a good fit 4/10

Jol - did an excellent job building us up as a club, loved BMJ but only hired by fluke as he was the assistant to Santini 8/10 job but not a Levy direct managerial hire.

Ramos - won us league cup but nearly got us relegated the way we were going. That being said did Levy agree to sell Berbatov and replace him with Fraiser Campbell and also sell Robbie Keane or was that Ramos idea? 5 or 6/10 overall

Redknapp 8/10 - to be fair levy tried to hire him a few years before this and he was the perfect man to get us out of a hole and then he did amazing so Levy got that one right for sure

AVB 6/10 - decent points total early on but how much was him vs how much was it bale. Ultimately not successful with us

Poch 10/10 - phenomenal job. Credit levy for the hire however if he’d had his way we’d have got Louis Van Gaal instead…

Then it’s gone very downhill

Jose 5/10 - got us to a cup final but pretty poor in the league and created a toxic cloud over the club , fair play for trying the win now quick fix route but in heindsight it was a terrible fit for us

Nuno 1/10 - genuinely the worst spurs manager since Christian Gross. The summer search was a farce. Weirdly Levy probably had it along the right lines with Fonseca a project manager likeable guy who plays attractive football and understood our DNA but ironically this time Levy was overruled by Paratici who went for Gattuso then ended up with Nuno

Conte 7/10 - gets a 7 all things considered because he got us top4 from 9th and a mess 1st season then this season he had personal issues galore but the performances and football has been shocking and he’s acted like he was doing us a favour the whole time, preaching patience meanwhile not committing to a longer deal. Bad fit in terms of style of play yet again and bad fit in terms of personality.

Pre Poch the manager hires we’re hit and miss but not appalling, same with our recruitment, Poch was the golden days and then post poch it’s been an utter disaster.

Lets see how it plays out.

I agree, however the currently shortlist of managers we are apparently looking at is encouraging. Just on you notes about previous hires, Jol wasn't a fluke, but he also wasn't a Levy hire, he was Arnesen's 1st choice. I also think Santini was worse than Nuno (we won 2 in 12 games), so would swap there ratings around.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Fair play mate that’s a nice positive spin on the situation and all very fair points.

Only thing is we still have Levy in charge of the decisions and more often than not on the football side of things he’s got it wrong especially when it comes to managers.

Hoddle - did an ok job with an old squad 6/10

Santini - pretty poor job, boring defensive football, didn’t speak the language well enough , not a good fit 4/10

Jol - did an excellent job building us up as a club, loved BMJ but only hired by fluke as he was the assistant to Santini 8/10 job but not a Levy direct managerial hire.

Ramos - won us league cup but nearly got us relegated the way we were going. That being said did Levy agree to sell Berbatov and replace him with Fraiser Campbell and also sell Robbie Keane or was that Ramos idea? 5 or 6/10 overall

Redknapp 8/10 - to be fair levy tried to hire him a few years before this and he was the perfect man to get us out of a hole and then he did amazing so Levy got that one right for sure

AVB 6/10 - decent points total early on but how much was him vs how much was it bale. Ultimately not successful with us

Poch 10/10 - phenomenal job. Credit levy for the hire however if he’d had his way we’d have got Louis Van Gaal instead…

Then it’s gone very downhill

Jose 5/10 - got us to a cup final but pretty poor in the league and created a toxic cloud over the club , fair play for trying the win now quick fix route but in heindsight it was a terrible fit for us

Nuno 1/10 - genuinely the worst spurs manager since Christian Gross. The summer search was a farce. Weirdly Levy probably had it along the right lines with Fonseca a project manager likeable guy who plays attractive football and understood our DNA but ironically this time Levy was overruled by Paratici who went for Gattuso then ended up with Nuno

Conte 7/10 - gets a 7 all things considered because he got us top4 from 9th and a mess 1st season then this season he had personal issues galore but the performances and football has been shocking and he’s acted like he was doing us a favour the whole time, preaching patience meanwhile not committing to a longer deal. Bad fit in terms of style of play yet again and bad fit in terms of personality.

Pre Poch the manager hires we’re hit and miss but not appalling, same with our recruitment, Poch was the golden days and then post poch it’s been an utter disaster.

Lets see how it plays out.

Tbf if you compare Levy’s record picking managers against many other established prem teams it’s no better or worse. The average tenure of prem managers is only a couple of seasons for a reason.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I’ve touched in this before but to repeat. I understand that Joe Lewis has let Levy run the football side of things at Tottenham because he has made barrow loads of money for ENIC through his property developments. Nevertheless there has to come a point where he says enough is enough, that’s one too many screwups on the football side of things. The last 2 weeks are a complete PR disaster and the blame can only be on Levy. On top of which, if rumours are true, his presence as chairman is becoming a reason why prospective mangers are turning us down.
I continue to be baffled why they don’t restrict Levy to what he’s good at - the property side of the business - and appoint a competent CEO to run the football club. It would save them so much grief and they would still be making money.
In any other business Levy would be relieved of his position. Makes you wonder what hold he has on Lewis if this fiasco isn’t enough to move him aside.

Lewis does not care about the success or failure of the football side.

When it impacts the financial side, the Lewis Family Trustee might take a cursory look.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Tbf if you compare Levy’s record picking managers against many other established prem teams it’s no better or worse. The average tenure of prem managers is only a couple of seasons for a reason.

To be fair, that “reason” rarely has anything to do with a manager’s ability.

When you have that much turnover, and that many managers who go on to other jobs, it’s a systemic problem, not a management problem.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Possibly the funniest take on this

Antonio has joined the chat: group therapy for departed Spurs managers | Jonathan Liew

WhatsApp group where Daniel Levy’s former employees discuss his wine gum obsession and sketchy transfer policy

www.theguardian.com

 

[spurs9]

To be fair, that “reason” rarely has anything to do with a manager’s ability.

When you have that much turnover, and that many managers who go on to other jobs, it’s a systemic problem, not a management problem.

The only 2 managers that have gone on to manage bigger teams are Ramos and Poch and neither last as long at those teams as they did here.

 

[littlewilly]

I think it's very easy to be cynical at times like this but sometimes good things come from adversity. I'm optimistic we'll fall back on our feet.

“Sometimes when you're in a dark place you think you've been buried, but you've actually been planted.” – Christine Caine

 

[Carson35]

Have we had ITK it might be down to these 2 guys or are you saying these are your favourite 2?

If it is down to those 2 i'd be bloody happy with that because it means we actually have an aligned vision because they both play similar attractive football and I'd be more than willing to give both plenty of time to implement that with us.

no, my favorites are nagelsmann, poch and gallardo....i know next to nothing about big ange and slot...

 

[Bruts]

I like him, if he wins the Europa League and Dutch Cup, he will go further up the list for me, but if he doesn't win the league from the position they are in, he will drop down it.

On paper Feyenoord have quite an easy run in so it would be quite the fuck up. Then again maybe that makes him even more suited to us

 

[Hoopspur]

Like you say I think there will certainly be managers out there that would jump at the chance regardless of what’s going on behind the scenes but will they be managers we actually want?

Any respectable name would probably be incredibly concerned by the apparent lack of direction by the board along with how things ended for our last 4 managers. Maybe there’s a chance they can be convinced but I’d also be very cautious about taking on such a job. What happened with Paratici over the last 24 hours just makes us look incredibly amateur and completely out of our depth. The stadium and training ground plus some of the players will no doubt be an attractive proposition but I think it’s pretty clear to everyone that it doesn’t really matter as long as the club is run how it is.

Levy has a monumental task ahead of him to convince whoever we want to come imo. If that’s JN, Gallardo or even Slot, any intelligent manager will quite possibly view us a poisoned chalice currently, and why would anyone want to climb aboard a sinking ship and potentially taint themselves in the process. It’s imperative that Levy and the board act swiftly to fix this whilst it’s still remotely salvageable.

(Up to) £15m big shiny ones might be a reason?

 

[eddiev14]

This is a complete mess and if the club don’t use it to do a complete reset then it would be a missed opportunity.

The biggest mistake Levy made 2 years ago was hiring Fabio Paratici. Regardless of any work FP has done in the transfer market, Levy clearly stated that his objective was to get us back to playing free flowing attacking football, a brand of football with an identity that would make the fans proud of the team.

It is abundantly clear from Paratici’s manager choices that the guy - who is ‘Managing Director, Football’, so I assume has full responsibility of setting the football strategy at the club - is at odds with this objective outlined by Levy.

As such, as long as Paratici is in the job this is never going to work.

People talk about taking De Zerbi from Brighton (similar to how they talked about taking Potter previously) because they ‘play great football’. While both managers are clearly talented, what many fans are missing is the structure and commitment to a very clear strategy and philosophy that Paul Barber has implemented over a number of years. This is engrained in everything they do, from the managers they choose, to the players they buy and how they plan for the succession of both. I have no doubt if someone poached De Zerbi they’d have the next guy already lined up and very little would change. Imagine having that sort of stability…

So to me it’s clear. Appoint a football executive or DoF who is aligned to the objectives Levy stated 2 years ago, let them choose the manager (or at least give them a manager who shares their philosophy for style of play/approach to the game) then give both of them the money to rebuild that squad.

I honestly don’t care about who does this. Christ, go get Paul Barber back for all I care but Paratici needs to go.

 

[jbstarr14]

I wonder if Levy will be forced to go for Potch now. Maybe the only one who would walk into this chaos

I think it would suit Poch tbh. A little chaos to take energy from and fuel some passion and creativity.

 

[spursfan77]

It’s starting to get to that point where he’s pushed into a corner and he’ll turn to Poch to bail him out.

I know it’s been said we won’t go for him but the situation is changing daily with more pressure being put on Levy, not just from fans but now the media in a huge way. He’ll either wait for it to die down, which it looks to have no sign of or he’ll panic and agree to bring Poch in.

 

[walton]

Possibly the funniest take on this

Antonio has joined the chat: group therapy for departed Spurs managers | Jonathan Liew

WhatsApp group where Daniel Levy’s former employees discuss his wine gum obsession and sketchy transfer policy

www.theguardian.com

Superb! The Leandro reference is exquisite

 

[spursfan77]

I think people need to take a breath and remember the quote “today's news is tomorrow's fish and chip wrappers”.

There definitely feels like an element of journalists sticking the boot in, but I wish we’d stop giving them free hits.

What they are forgetting that come the summer we will pretty much be the most attractive opening on the market (if Ancelotti stays at Madrid). Our pull is big, even if a lot of people don’t want to admit it.

 

[Scott Spur]

Superb! The Leandro reference is exquisite

I do think that’s possible, if he’s available.

We’ve been told ‘no way’, but I do feel the steering wheel on the Tottenham Hotspur bus is about to be wrenched across the road in a fast and ill thought out way once more.