Next Manager Watch

[Harrier]

I love a nice rating but what's this forum for if not for being honest and in my case talking nonsense?

So here goes.

In a totally non reactionary way after watching the Ryan mason interview how about we bring Tuchel in with Mason under him in a similar role. It might only last two years but u that point Ryan will then have enough experience under world class coaches to take over.

I love your optimism that Tuchel (given his abrasive personality) would last two years!

 

[Styopa]

You guys need to stop with this Kompany chat. He's had one good season in the Championship after two underwhelming seasons in the Belgian league.

Scott Parker had two good seasons in the Championship with teams that had just been relegated, and got them promoted. Would you take him?

Very much this. Many people here were into the idea of Gerrard when he was doing well at Rangers. I wonder how many would take him now?

 

[Spursfan1414]

You guys need to stop with this Kompany chat. He's had one good season in the Championship after two underwhelming seasons in the Belgian league.

Scott Parker had two good seasons in the Championship with teams that had just been relegated, and got them promoted. Would you take him?

You're really underselling what Kompany has done with Burnley.

13 points clear at the top of the Championship, completely transformed Burnley's play from Dyche's style to something that's very close to what elite managers like Pep and ETH are using, all in just one season and without spending any serious money. They're modern and flexible in how they build up from the back, attack in the final third and in their pressing approaches. He's brilliant tactically, clearly knows how to get his ideas across and anyone who saw him at City already knows what calibre of leader he is. There's a great thread here on twitter if anyone wants a deeper breakdown on why people are excited about him.

I'm not saying we should be going for him but there's far more to the Kompany hype than "one good season in the Championship". He is one of the best managerial prospects in the world and the talk of him as a future City manager is more than warranted. Completely different level from Parker.

 

[Hotspur33]

You're really underselling what Kompany has done with Burnley.

13 points clear at the top of the Championship, completely transformed Burnley's play from Dyche's style to something that's very close to what elite managers like Pep and ETH are using, all in just one season and without spending any serious money. They're modern and flexible in how they build up from the back, attack in the final third and in their pressing approaches. He's brilliant tactically, clearly knows how to get his ideas across and anyone who saw him at City already knows what calibre of leader he is. There's a great thread here on twitter if anyone wants a deeper breakdown on why people are excited about him.

I'm not saying we should be going for him but there's far more to the Kompany hype than "one good season in the Championship". He is one of the best managerial prospects in the world and the talk of him as a future City manager is more than warranted. Completely different level from Parker.

I would imagine if he is the real deal, we would probably have to go for it now. If he comes up with Burnley and they look amazing, then you would say he is nailed on to take over from Pep.
However I can’t see Levy or Paratici being that brave. A

 

[allatsea]

If they are a free agent, then get them tomorrow! Why wait?

Two possible reasons.

1) We remain 4th in the PL table and on course for a CL place next season

or

2) To annoy you ?

 

[Spursfan1414]

I would imagine if he is the real deal, we would probably have to go for it now. If he comes up with Burnley and they look amazing, then you would say he is nailed on to take over from Pep.
However I can’t see Levy or Paratici being that brave. A

Yeah that is the dilemma, you wait to see even more evidence of Kompany excelling and suddenly you find you're competing with City, Liverpool etc to have him as a future manager.

Honestly even if Burnley don't look great when they come up I would blame that more on player quality than Kompany's ability to motivate them or set up them in a tactically intelligent way. The tactics he uses are proven at the elite level and his results this season show what he can do with a squad that has a decent level of quality relative to the rest of the league.

I agree, I don't see us being that brave and Kompany may well think that he's safer to come up with Burnley with tons of credit in the bank and see what happens.

 

[Trent Crimm]

The semi final of The Apprentice will be the teams scouring Europe for the next Spurs manager.

Watch as Lord Sugar gives his brief and the teams go off in search. Watch as they negotiate badly and completely pick the wrong person for the job.

Team Apex come back with 3 planks off wood and Patrick Viera

The other team return with a box of catalytic converters and some salted nuts.

Who will win?

 

[barrie]

The semi final of The Apprentice will be the teams scouring Europe for the next Spurs manager.

Watch as Lord Sugar gives his brief and the teams go off in search. Watch as they negotiate badly and completely pick the wrong person for the job.

Team Apex come back with 3 planks off wood and Patrick Viera

The other team return with a box of catalytic converters and some salted nuts.

Who will win?

We're editing this at work and I can confirm this is all correct!

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

You're really underselling what Kompany has done with Burnley.

13 points clear at the top of the Championship, completely transformed Burnley's play from Dyche's style to something that's very close to what elite managers like Pep and ETH are using, all in just one season and without spending any serious money. They're modern and flexible in how they build up from the back, attack in the final third and in their pressing approaches. He's brilliant tactically, clearly knows how to get his ideas across and anyone who saw him at City already knows what calibre of leader he is. There's a great thread here on twitter if anyone wants a deeper breakdown on why people are excited about him.

I'm not saying we should be going for him but there's far more to the Kompany hype than "one good season in the Championship". He is one of the best managerial prospects in the world and the talk of him as a future City manager is more than warranted. Completely different level from Parker.

I'm aware of all this I still don't think he has the right credentials for us at this stage in his career.

 

[Spursfan1414]

I'm aware of all this I still don't think he has the right credentials for us at this stage in him career.

Then you know the comparison to Scott Parker doesn’t hold any water beyond “look at these 2 guys who did both well in the Championship”.

What’s he missing? And why wouldn’t we at least consider one of the best managerial prospects in the world?

He’s infinitely more qualified than Arteta was when Arsenal brought him in.

If we wait for him to have the “right credentials” we won’t ever get the chance to appoint him.

 

[TheChosenOne]

You guys need to stop with this Kompany chat. He's had one good season in the Championship after two underwhelming seasons in the Belgian league.

Scott Parker had two good seasons in the Championship with teams that had just been relegated, and got them promoted. Would you take him?

Would worry about him being big headed ?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Kompany is a big risk but seeing Burnley play and reading up on him and his tactics and what seems to be a very big future he might be the one with the biggest ceiling if it goes right. Like getting a Klopp or Pep at the early stages. Him and Gallardo each in their own way are very risky but very tempting, probably a wild ride and a lot of fun.

 

[fecka]

I somewhat remember this place being quite down on the appointment of Poch at the time when there had been talk of LvG and Frank de Boer, mainly because he lacked "experience" and hadn't accomplished anything noteworthy other than keeping Espanyol from relegation.

Some of our worst appointments have been managers with fantastic CVs.
I couldn't care less if Di Zerbi or Kompany only have a few months in the prem or championship, you look at how they work, talk, and what their idea of playing is and then you make the decision if they are the right fit or not. Not that I have any faith in the club to do just that.

 

[Guntz]

If Kompany does well he'll be off to City when Guardiola's contract expires in 2025.

If we're going down the project manager route, we need someone more long-term.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If Kompany does well he'll be off to City when Guardiola's contract expires in 2025.

2025 is one, possibly two Spurs managers away.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Then you know the comparison to Scott Parker doesn’t hold any water beyond “look at these 2 guys who did both well in the Championship”.

What’s he missing? And why wouldn’t we at least consider one of the best managerial prospects in the world?

He’s infinitely more qualified than Arteta was when Arsenal brought him in.

If we wait for him to have the “right credentials” we won’t ever get the chance to appoint him.

He has got a team that has just got relegated from the prem to the championship to play good football. I applaud this but he would be walking into a pressure cooker at spurs.

I just don't think 2 thirds of a season with one of the best squads in the Championship, and an uninspiring stint at Anderlecht is enough experience for the size of the task at spurs. He would be expected to start challenging at the top end of the table immediately. And before anyone say "as long as we play good football I don't care if we don't always win" I don't believe you. That was never the case under Redknapp/Poch, there is always a big proportion of the fanbase that only care about results.

Arsenal took a big chance on Arteta I agree. But he took over Arsenal when they were in a worse state than we are now. They had to employ a project manager as the club was still flailing after so many years of having Wenger.

Yes it might be fun to take a chance on an inexperienced manager but I don't believe the upsides outweigh the risk. Especially as we're close to having a very good first 11. We don't want to waste what is potentially the last season of Kane's contract with us on a experimental appointment.

 

[spursfan77]

I think it will be Enrique. I think he fits the brief Levy will want and Paratici seems to want him (assuming we are confident re the appeal).

Plays good football ✅️
Big name ✅️
Has won big trophies ✅️

I know we debate systems, tactical nous and playing styles and we think about how coaches would utilise that with our squad and recruitment strategy. I don't think the club will be looking into it as much. They will want a coach who plays good football, they will want a big name for the brand and will want someone successful. I think Levy would feel this is a big name appointment more aligned to the fans demands of how football will be played. I struggle to see the club taking a big risk on someone unproven.

I would prefer other options but I'd be shocked if this wasn't the name at the top of the list.

I agree. I think it will be him or Poch. I worry about Enrique though really. I read an article the other day about his time at Roma and he played a 433 which changed to 343 in play. That made me think he’d probably be picked because it suits our current squad. It’s what paratici will have seen him play the most.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I agree. I think it will be him or Poch. I worry about Enrique though really. I read an article the other day about his time at Roma and he played a 433 which changed to 343 in play. That made me think he’d probably be picked because it suits our current squad. It’s what paratici will have seen him play the most.

But surely it's better to find a manager who is adaptable and can develop the current squad? We could potentially finish 3rd/4th this season which shows we are still moving in the right direction.

We don't want another season of transition where there is another churn of players and the new manager can't be judged until he gets in 'his players'. We want someone who is going to hit the ground running and can adapt to the strengths of the player we already have.

Personally I think once we've signed a 1-2 top quality centre backs, a new GK, and another attacker our first 11 will be a match for anyone in the league. We don't want to rip up what Paratici has started with this squad building. We want continuity and direction. I think managers like Enrique, Amorim, Gallardo can offer this.

 

[SpursJord]

I'm aware of all this I still don't think he has the right credentials for us at this stage in his career.

What is it you would be looking for him to have? I mean to this point he is already more accomplished than Arteta was as a Head Coach when Arsenal gave him a chance. Kompany would have learned from Pep in almost the same manner as Arteta.

He has averaged 1.86ppg at Anderlecht and Burnley, who he also has guided to the FAC Quarter finals. Where funnily Man City are the opponents they need to beat to make the Semis. I think it's being undersold how good he potentially is and that's most likely because Burnley are in the Championship.

 

[Spursfan1414]

He has got a team that has just got relegated from the prem to the championship to play good football. I applaud this but he would be walking into a pressure cooker at spurs.

I just don't think 2 thirds of a season with one of the best squads in the Championship, and an uninspiring stint at Anderlecht is enough experience for the size of the task at spurs. He would be expected to start challenging at the top end of the table immediately. And before anyone say "as long as we play good football I don't care if we don't always win" I don't believe you. That was never the case under Redknapp/Poch, there is always a big proportion of the fanbase that only care about results.

Arsenal took a big chance on Arteta I agree. But he took over Arsenal when they were in a worse state than we are now. They had to employ a project manager as the club was still flailing after so many years of having Wenger.

Yes it might be fun to take a chance on an inexperienced manager but I don't believe the upsides outweigh the risk. Especially as we're close to having a very good first 11. We don't want to waste what is potentially the last season of Kane's contract with us on a experimental appointment.

He got a team that played Dycheball for a decade to play some of the most tactically modern football in the country in one pre-season. It's not just good football, there's no-one doing anything that's more modern or up to date that what Kompany has implemented. What he's done this season has been absolutely extraordinary.

It is different as a manager but there aren't many players who can claim to have more experience of performing under pressure than Kompany, I'm not that concerned there.

He'd be expected to compete for 4th if he came in initially while playing good football. No-one is expecting us to win the league next year or the year after. It absolutely was the case under Poch, we got smacked by other top 4 teams several times under him before it all came together but people were happy to stick with it because there was a sense that he was building a team and a philosophy that could work and was good to watch. Besides, we've seen the evidence that "win now" managers aren't any more guarantee of success.

If next year is Kane's last year here then it's going to be wasted either way realistically. We won't win the league next year. You talk about not wanting to waste Kane or the team that we currently have but we've done exactly that by being too scared to appoint someone like a Kompany or De Zerbi who has a high ceiling but some question marks vs older managers with a record of success. If Kompany can teach Burnley to play amazing football on a shoe string budget then I'm pretty optimistic he could do the same with us.

I think the squad is in a pretty good state to play the football Kompany would want anyway.