Next Manager Watch

[Archibald&Crooks]

Thankfully Im not on Twitter so wont have to see such nonesense

This is something of a bugbear of mine. I would imagine there's a lot of us not on Twitter, if we were interested in or wanted to see shit like that, then we'd be on there. If anyone on here wants to read that shit, keep it to yourselves, keep it on there and spare everyone who doesn't want it from having it inflicted on them.

It'd be nice if people thought of that before fetching it over. All I see is people saying what a khazi Twitter is but there's never a shortage of people repeating the worst of it

And finally.....I mean, what the fuck? Why are you repeating it, retweeting it or whatever it fucking is. Why give it oxygen? And don't give me that bollocks about it's funny or it's this or it's to ullustrate what a cesspit it is. By regurgitating it you are EXACTLY as fucking bad. It only exists because people persist in interacting. Take a fucking stand will you.

 

[spurs-r-us]

You’re very mistaken, you’re overly offended because you’re Australian it seems.
I couldn’t care what nationality Ange is or any manager we appoint as long as they’re the right manager.

Our board openly said we want to go back to our supposed ethos and employ a young, upcoming forward thinking coach.

But somehow we’ve landed on a man that’s had a 27 year managerial career, mostly in Australia and briefly in Asia.
Those leagues are the equivalent to semi professional in England.
He has next to no experience as a top level manager at the highest level, it’s worlds apart from where he’s been.

Celtic have won the league 12 out of the last 13 years so he’s not some kind of visionary either.

This is Munn’s mate who we’ve landed on because we’ve either pissed other managers off or we’ve turned our noses up at managers who’d want more control.

This isn’t good enough.

That's not what Levy said. This is what Levy said.

We shall focus on the recruitment of a new Head Coach. We are acutely aware of the need to select someone whose values reflect those of our great Club and return to playing football with the style for which we are known – free-flowing, attacking and entertaining – whilst continuing to embrace our desire to see young players flourish from our Academy alongside experienced talent.

Postecoglou being 57 has feck all to do with him being forward thinking, which he obviously is. Why turn down the ethos because he's a fat, older Australian? He's bloody brilliant and has proven people wrong across three continents despite his late start.

 

[night-watchman]

Munn and Ange are from the same City football group no?
Therefore know each other.

And 1 year in serie A no.

But experience in an elite league yes, we have a massive rebuild on our hands so the job is even harder than it should be.
This is literally a club changing appointment that could make or break us.

But some are choosing to get annoyed because they’re assuming he’s not wanted because he’s Australian.

As a Big Ange truther - I totally get why his CV and previous experience is setting off alarm bells. It hardly screams elite.

But for a club as big ours, the fact that we are looking seriously at him is a testament to just how highly he is regarded in coaching circles. The guys CV simply is what it is because he has not had the opportunities. Managerially, he has had to work his way from the bottom into the position he is in now - there is no journeyman about it - he has simply had to work his way up.

All these misgivings (lack of an elite CV, defensive frailties, getting tonked in Europe) are completely understandable and I get them. The people outright dismissing him as a "journeyman" or "Nuno again" is what is slightly irritating me because it just shows a complete lack of any due dilligence as to his managerial ethos.

 

[spurs-r-us]

Steven Gerrard won the SPL with Rangers

And? Mauricio lost the league to Leicester. Do you see why these inane comparisons are rubbish?

Gerrard walked into the Rangers job from Liverpool's under 18s and had a great season. Then he went to Villa and was terrible, meaning he's had 1 good year and 1 bad year. When was the last time Ange had a bad season?

 

[rossdapep]

I think the journey man tag is really unwarranted.

Any coach coming from Australia or that part of the world is going to find it much tougher and longer to rise through the ranks.

You could easily be the best coach there but you are going to have to wait a long time for someone to take a chance on you.

Whereas Frank Lampard gets good gigs simply because of his name yet has proven absolutely nothing.

Coaches are just like players, some really good ones out there who just need a chance but dont get it, meanwhile others get promoted quickly cause of their name or who they know

 

[soflapaul]

Exactly this. Really Nagelsmann is such a clear an obvious choice that any other option (aside from Gallardo for me personally) is just a big step down for me. Yes i'd certainly choose Enrique over Ange but neither option would I pick if I had free reign. Not going for one of the first two, especially when both are available, is mind boggling frankly. Like you say, whoever we get will be the 3rd or 4th choice option and we have known we were going to be in the situation since Jan. And the fact they are the 3rd or 4th option gives me next to no faith that they will be backed when needed. I'd genuinely laugh if we continue to fuck about and in the interim Enrique goes to Napoli and Ange signs an extension.

I have to say that your posts are among the very, very best in the new manager search (not just because we agree on many things but that doesn't hurt...... ).

In all seriousness, you have added multiple layers of detail and tied many loose ends together. Many thanks for your thoughtful (as in "full of thought") posts.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

I work in Scottish football on a weekly basis during the season. I’m at Celtic semi regular and up close and personal with Ange.
He seems fine but tbh got no interest in him being our manager.

I’ve dipped in and out of this thread very infrequently last few months tbh but have seen some comments. Being able to mine for Asian talent has no relevance to us. Yes in the Scottish league it might be a way of finding technically superior players for cheap prices, but will not work at the levels we swim in. He seems nice enough, but I’d hardly call him an inspiring type of character .. he’s pretty gruff, monotone and very quietly spoken, this coming from someone that has been at close quarters with him and had to adjust things as he’s a mumbler.

Lastly, I’m not convinced he would even want to come

Not for us, sorry.

 

[spurs-r-us]

I agree Trix that they shouldn't base their opinion on concerns of a few fans. However as we've seen with Nuno as soon as results go badly the fans would be on his back and things would get toxic quickly.

Whereas if we appointed Nagelsman for example, more fans would be supportive during a bad patch I feel.

Nuno was old and tired. He was also coming off a season where he was sacked by Wolves. We also at that point thought our squad didn't need a comprehensive rebuild, but that we needed a few good signings and a change of style. I think we're all a little more realistic now, given we've just finished 8th with our captain falling off a cliff and our defence being absolute porridge (even Romero, our supposedly WC defender).

 

[piedpiper]

Does that mean we are all in for Jesus? Personally think Harry Kane is Abel

Enrique is a second tier coach choice for us and not the worst of the lot. we need someone who can improve players technically and mentally.

Oops Noses..... I can't agree he's 2nd tier. He may not be a Pep or klopp but we also not as elite as we'd like to think. He'd be no worse than Howe, De Zerbi, Unai Emery as an example.....much much more substance than say Ange of Celtic.

 

[Ledders Army]

If we are looking at Ange we may aswell be looking at Mark Robbins. What he has done at Coventry is far bigger achievement than winning the SPL with Celtic.

Ange has done other things than Celtic

 

[WiganSpur]

Postecoglou Celtic record in Europe last 2 seasons (combination of CL, EL and ECL)

18 games, 39 conceded, 2.17 conceded per game. It's the best barometer of how he will do in the PL as it's a mix of opponents at a similar level on average.

He does however have a better record against Rangers, conceding an average of 1.1 per game against them. I don't really know too much about what state Rangers have been in though since Gerrard left.

We are not any higher than mid table in the PL next season conceding well over 2 goals a game imo.

 

[RobjDerby]

Postecoglou Celtic record in Europe last 2 seasons (combination of CL, EL and ECL)

18 games, 39 conceded, 2.17 conceded per game. It's the best barometer of how he will do in the PL as it's a mix of opponents at a similar level on average.

He does however have a better record against Rangers, conceding an average of 1.1 per game against them. I don't really know too much about what state Rangers have been in though since Gerrard left.

We are not any higher than mid table in the PL next season conceding well over 2 goals a game imo.

We were 1.66 this season.

PS - we dont need managers good in Europe.
We're not in it lol

 

[soflapaul]

Oops Noses..... I can't agree he's 2nd tier. He may not be a Pep or klopp but we also not as elite as we'd like to think. He'd be no worse than Howe, De Zerbi, Unai Emery as an example.....much much more substance than say Ange of Celtic.

Not sure we disagree. I'm referring as the second tier to pick from "for us" with JN the only one on the top perch at this point. i see him at the same level as the above levels and would put Ange at a step below primarily because he hasn't proven himself at a higher level. I do believe that he could be every bit as good as Enrique but don't see the proof of it, hence, more risk.

 

[WiganSpur]

We were 1.66 this season.

PS - we dont need managers good in Europe.
We're not in it lol

That's not the point. It's trying to understand how he fares against elite opponents and also opponents close to their level. Which is most comparable to how he will do in the PL with Spurs.

 

[RobjDerby]

That's not the point. It's trying to understand how he fares against elite opponents and also opponents close to their level. Which is most comparable to how he will do in the PL with Spurs.

Yes i know, was just a Joke

 

[Powder Keg]

I asked my friend who is a Celtic ST holder to weigh in on Ange:

If you take him I will never speak to you again
He’s a genuinely great guy.
Smart media operator.
But I just don’t see him working in the EPL.
He likes to build a team and is a proper coach of the old school as well as a manager.

He’d rather take 5 years to build his style of club than win over night.

The main criticism of him in Europe is that he’ll stick to his principles even if it means taking a battering. I’m not sure that’s true but probably more of a reflection on that fact that our resources are pretty constrained and he can’t easily vary the system.

He is great at improving players and bringing through young players. Completely saved Joe Hart’s career.

 

[smallsnc]

I think the bigger question is what are our short/long term goals for the club. If those have been communicated, I do not know the plan and have no clue as to who I want as manager.

Are we trying to buy a couple of players and compete for Europe next year or do we want to have the chance to compete for a title in 4 or 5 years? I do not think we can really do both. Trying to get back to Europe, especially CL, for next year is only going to delay the rebuild that we need. We have proven that even with CL, we cannot buy the players we need to take that next step so the alternative to that is to buy young and develop them. That requires that we actually play the youth and let them grow which managers reaching for glory next year are probably not going to do.

I would prefer a multi-year plan and a manager that is both willing and given the time to build a team that can compete at the top. Maybe someone can do it quicker but that will be hard considering that a number of our starters, while good professionals, do not have the talent/athletic ability to compete at the top levels without better players around. Right now, we have too many "good professionals" but not actual talents, Kane and Son excluded.

I do not really care who the manager is unless we actually pick a direction and are willing to match the transfer strategy and over all set up to match it.

 

[Yiddo100]

That's not the point. It's trying to understand how he fares against elite opponents and also opponents close to their level. Which is most comparable to how he will do in the PL with Spurs.

Don’t know who they played but if they’re in the CL their squad would have considerably less quality than most of the others.

 

[Snarfalicious]

God we have some absolute whoppers in our fanbase. Go get a fucking hobby lads

It's started

This guy ain’t wrong. Ange has no business managing our club. Celtic? It’s like picking Penaldo over Messi. Get a grip before we become nothing!

COYS, Owen.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Postecoglou Celtic record in Europe last 2 seasons (combination of CL, EL and ECL)

18 games, 39 conceded, 2.17 conceded per game. It's the best barometer of how he will do in the PL as it's a mix of opponents at a similar level on average.

He does however have a better record against Rangers, conceding an average of 1.1 per game against them. I don't really know too much about what state Rangers have been in though since Gerrard left.

We are not any higher than mid table in the PL next season conceding well over 2 goals a game imo.