New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Hoops]

http://www.macegroup.com/media-centre/tottenham-hotspur-appoints-mace-as-construction-partner

Worth reading the press release in full but, In summary, rather than employ a 'main contractor' who in turn employs specialist sub contractors, Mace will, amongst other roles explained in the press release advise Spurs on various sub contractors to be appointed directly. So Spurs end up as both client but also playing a more active part in the management of the project.

There are times when I love having Levy as chairman. This is one of them. Im sure we will get the best deals, materials and so on that we can afford.

 

[spursfan77]

you mean I'm opinionated !

No you just want to aid the discussion like the majority of posters on here.

 

[Spursidol]

There are times when I love having Levy as chairman. This is one of them. Im sure we will get the best deals, materials and so on that we can afford.

He'll save the (say) 10% uplift on the sub contractors which the main contractor would have otherwise charged, with Mace and other pros providing the management of the sub contractors - Mace provides the detailed construction management knowledge which Tottenham Hotspur Plc do not have, just look on them as being a top notch construction management arm of Spurs.

 

[Hoops]

Maybe putting psychological pressure on Haringey by saying

'Look we are going full tilt at a build but we need planning permission to go much further. We've shown we are up for the build as you requested, are you up for it too ?'

The stadium is the posterboy for Harringey to get other people to finance major development in Tottenham. If Harringey can't deliver planning for Spurs, its not as attractive an area for other people to invest = Tottenham area development stalls.

Is that fact or opinon? Also, why wouldnt Harringey be able to get planning permission? Arnt they the council?

Forgive me for being il informed!

 

[DanielCHillier]

Is that fact or opinon? Also, why wouldnt Harringey be able to get planning permission? Arnt they the council?

Forgive me for being il informed!

Think this is regarding the listed building issues.

 

[Lilbaz]

Think this is regarding the listed building issues.

Isn't only one of the buildings listed though? The one that's being kept.

 

[Spursidol]

Is that fact or opinon? Also, why wouldnt Harringey be able to get planning permission? Arnt they the council?

Forgive me for being il informed!

Harringey are clearly going to be under a lot of pressure from these 'Heritage bodies, and Spurs want to present the best case they can for the project - hence numerous letters of support from FA,UEFA and uncle tom cobbley - and given one previous suspicion that Spurs would never raise the finance to build it having lots of people and machinery on site answers that question nicely

Councils can be challenged on why they approve things, so best to have everything answered before planning hearing

 

[Spursidol]

Isn't only one of the buildings listed though? The one that's being kept.

one kept is properly listed, ones we want knock down are 'locally listed' ie not good enough for national listing category

 

[worcestersauce]

one kept is properly listed, ones we want knock down are 'locally listed' ie not good enough for national listing category

Which effectively means we ain't got much and what we got ain't much but amongst what we have got these aren't the worst so we will locally list them.
Thing is that what we are getting is world class so we are effectively swapping not much for world class, so there really shouldn't be any argument.

 

[slartibartfast]

I bet these jumped up self important pricks do the councils head in.
Seriously do that really want to stop development because of 1 or 2 tiny falling apart shit buildings?
Look at the state of the local area ffs. Its a shit hole and needs this to go ahead badly.
Pull your fkin head out your arse and let us get on with it.
Can't do fk all in this life without some jumped up oily shits getting in the way.

Ahh, thats better

 

[whitesocks]

Which effectively means we ain't got much and what we got ain't much but amongst what we have got these aren't the worst so we will locally list them.
Thing is that what we are getting is world class so we are effectively swapping not much for world class, so there really shouldn't be any argument.

Our new stadium might well be world class, but will it be world class in 40 years?

It is an easy choice if the planners only had to worry about the next 30 years, but their job is to ensure the high street is distinctive and has character in another 100 years, when we have long left the area.

 

[worcestersauce]

Our new stadium might well be world class, but will it be world class in 40 years?

It is an easy choice if the planners only had to worry about the next 30 years, but their job is to ensure the high street is distinctive and has character in another 100 years, when we have long left the area.

Still an easy decision.

 

[ginola99]

Our new stadium might well be world class, but will it be world class in 40 years?

It is an easy choice if the planners only had to worry about the next 30 years, but their job is to ensure the high street is distinctive and has character in another 100 years, when we have long left the area.

That is impossible. You have to consider changes in not just technology but also economic uses for the land. Tell me, who in the 60s could've predicted the transformation of Canary Wharf from a mega dockland to The UK's, if not Europe's, little version of Manhattan?

I'm currently doing a masters in Town Planning and also doing an internship at a council's TP department and their Local Plan goes only up to the 2030s for good reason, the further you look ahead, the further you complicate things.

Whilst I agree with what you're saying it is impossible.

 

[Lilbaz]

Our new stadium might well be world class, but will it be world class in 40 years?

It is an easy choice if the planners only had to worry about the next 30 years, but their job is to ensure the high street is distinctive and has character in another 100 years, when we have long left the area.

Why would we have well left the area in 100 years? We've been here over 100 years already.

 

[longtimespur]

Why would we have well left the area in 100 years? We've been here over 100 years already.

Flooding?

 

[Flashspur]

Our new stadium might well be world class, but will it be world class in 40 years?

It is an easy choice if the planners only had to worry about the next 30 years, but their job is to ensure the high street is distinctive and has character in another 100 years, when we have long left the area.

Huh?? Left the area? What are you smoking dude?

 

[spud]

I'm currently doing a masters in Town Planning and also doing an internship at a council's TP department

Full marks to you, but I would just like to say - with apologies, completely off topic - that internships should be illegal. They are naked exploitation. Everybody should be paid for their work, and use by employers of interns also denies gainful employment to others.

Please don't respond to this in here as I don't want to hijack the thread, but I just wanted to get it off my chest. I'll accept your abuse via pm. Thank you.

 

[Riandor]

Well, taking off my spurs-tinted glasses for a moment...

Listed buildings are important if done appropriately as it does, or is at least supposed to stop heritage being torn out of a town and seeing monstrosity replacing it, all in the name of modernity.

A lot of towns might actually have nicer town centres if this had been place before the horror of the seventies.

So, whilst I think it ludicrous in this instance that these two buildings could hinder an entire regeneration project, especially as they aren't that great, I would like to think some form of compromise could be found so that a degree of the old Tottenham is still reflected in the years to come.

 

[Spursidol]

Well, taking off my spurs-tinted glasses for a moment...

Listed buildings are important if done appropriately as it does, or is at least supposed to stop heritage being torn out of a town and seeing monstrosity replacing it, all in the name of modernity.

A lot of towns might actually have nicer town centres if this had been place before the horror of the seventies.

So, whilst I think it ludicrous in this instance that these two buildings could hinder an entire regeneration project, especially as they aren't that great, I would like to think some form of compromise could be found so that a degree of the old Tottenham is still reflected in the years to come.

Such as moving one of the buildings facades into the Tottenham museum. Preserves the best bit

 

[whitesocks]

Huh?? Left the area? What are you smoking dude?

All I'm suggesting is that with little room to expand again, and bowl stadiums tricky to upgrade, we are likely to move when the new stadium becomes difficult to maintain and out dated in 40 years. I imagine we will be one of the last major clubs that are still in their original areas by then.
And sure, that clubs are not around for ever should be taken into account when the club demand that the street should be cleared of listed buildings.
I obviously have divided loyalties on this, and I guess ultimately it is up the local communities to decide if these historic buildings are important to them - I imagine that they just don't give a f..k, but that does not make it right.