New Stadium Details And Discussions

['O Zio]

But how does it effect it?

I can’t see how it does but if teams win or lose against us there then they will say it has an effect as an excuse.

It definitely affects the integrity of the competition. The whole way the league is structured relies on everyone playing each other home and away. Therefore it's a fair competition because everybody has the same situation. But if you have a team change grounds half way through, then some teams had to play them at their true home, where theoretically they have a slight advantage, whereas other teams had to play them in a neutral ground, which in theory at least, should be easier, therefore it's not fair on teams that had to play us at NWHL as opposed to a neutral ground.

Taking my spurs hat off and looking at it from a neutral perspective, i don't think anyone should be allowed to switch grounds mid way through the season at all, let alone with only a handful of games left.

 

[danielneeds]

It definitely affects the integrity of the competition. The whole way the league is structured relies on everyone playing each other home and away. Therefore it's a fair competition because everybody has the same situation. But if you have a team change grounds half way through, then some teams had to play them at their true home, where theoretically they have a slight advantage, whereas other teams had to play them in a neutral ground, which in theory at least, should be easier, therefore it's not fair on teams that had to play us at NWHL as opposed to a neutral ground.

Taking my spurs hat off and looking at it from a neutral perspective, i don't think anyone should be allowed to switch grounds mid way through the season at all, let alone with only a handful of games left.

I agree, but Warnock was complaining that it was unfair in the opposite way you are, that the teams playing us at NWHL would be at an advantage as we were getting used to it. The truth is it’s just an additional totally unquantifiable random factor that probably won’t really effect the integrity of the league in a meaningful way.

 

[Lighty64]

“ this year is no different” yup apart from paying to be in a stadium that isn’t even open ?

I’ll tell you what Ben would you like to buy a years time share in a fantastic Spanish villa. Well actually “tbh” it’s not quite finished yet but it’s ok you can stay in the hostel down the road and I’ll refund your annual payment you gave me upfront weekly. You ok with that ?

so boring

what should they of done?

they didn't know about the problems in March, April and May when they were selling them.

shame they never announced it as 2 seasons from the start then so many of you would of been forced to go to Wembley and of not got your money back for not sitting at home following them in whatever way

 

['O Zio]

I agree, but Warnock was complaining that it was unfair in the opposite way you are, that the teams playing us at NWHL would be at an advantage as we were getting used to it. The truth is it’s just an additional totally unquantifiable random factor that probably won’t really effect the integrity of the league in a meaningful way.

Yeah I know but Warnock is just plain wrong. The majority of people would rather play us at Wembley than NWHL.

Either way though, the point still stands. Regardless of which way round you thing it is, some teams will have an advantage by playing us away at a different stadium than their rivals so therefore it shouldn't be allowed IMO

 

['O Zio]

@spursfan77 OK put it this way. What if in our CL group this season, we had had to play Barca away at the Camp Nou, but inter were allowed to play them at some neutral ground. Then imagine we went out of the comparison instead of Inter because they got a draw "away" to Barca whereas we lost at the camp nou.

You really don't see why there's an integrity/fairness issue there?

 

[Hotspurious]

It definitely affects the integrity of the competition. The whole way the league is structured relies on everyone playing each other home and away. Therefore it's a fair competition because everybody has the same situation. But if you have a team change grounds half way through, then some teams had to play them at their true home, where theoretically they have a slight advantage, whereas other teams had to play them in a neutral ground, which in theory at least, should be easier, therefore it's not fair on teams that had to play us at NWHL as opposed to a neutral ground.

Taking my spurs hat off and looking at it from a neutral perspective, i don't think anyone should be allowed to switch grounds mid way through the season at all, let alone with only a handful of games left.

Sort of like it would t be fair if some teams played a team before the January window closes and some play later when that club has added a superstar? This argument is nonsense. Some teams play man united when they have Ole and some when they have JoMo. I’d say any difference in venue is much slighter than these examples.

 

['O Zio]

Sort of like it would t be fair if some teams played a team before the January window closes and some play later when that club has added a superstar? This argument is nonsense. Some teams play man united when they have Ole and some when they have JoMo. I’d say any difference in venue is much slighter than these examples.

One of the reasons I also don't agree with the January window, and why I think you should only be able to change manager during the off-season. But that's a discussion for another time I suppose.

What I said isn't nonsense, but thanks for being so condescending all the same.
The fact that there are other things that affect the integrity of the competition doesn't make what I said any less correct. It just comes back to the old argument that 2, or even 3, wrongs don't make a right

 

[Hotspurious]

One of the reasons I also don't agree with the January window, and why I think you should only be able to change manager during the off-season. But that's a discussion for another time I suppose.

What I said isn't nonsense, but thanks for being so condescending all the same.
The fact that there are other things that affect the integrity of the competition doesn't make what I said any less correct. It just comes back to the old argument that 2, or even 3, wrongs don't make a right

Well then so do injuries, and the timing of cup matches and champions league and the weather....There are always going to be differences. To pick out one among countless differences that are arguably more important negates the power of your argument. The integrity of the competition is compromised every weekend by broadcasters, and cold fronts, the wealth of the fan base, and lifelong dreams to play for xxx. Yet each weekend teams play when they’re scheduled with the players and management they have been provided in a venue they have available. Just because things are not exactly identical doesn’t mean the integrity of the competition has been compromised - particularly when these differences are not manufactured with intention to gain an advantage.

And my points attack your argument not you personally. I don’t know you. You might be a hellava great guy or swell gal. It doesn’t matter.

 

[whitesocks]

The story from Levy is that it was an act of god that stopped us from opening in September, just as if the roof had been hit by lightening and burnt down or something. These things can happen.
The premier league/FA are not questioning this version and given the club is clearly under financial stress, I suspect they'll turn a blind eye and let us open when we can.

It is not in Mace's interest to dispute this either, if say we were taken to court by a narrowly relegated side. The only 'evidence' that we long intended to move stadiums midseason or later would be the guesstimates of some workers on site who would risk never getting a contract again, or perhaps getting buried under 5' of concrete next to the original gantt charts.

 

[Lighty64]

the thing is the only 2 games that can have any bearing on relegation is C Palace and Huddersfield. Palace should survive as there are worst teams than them and Huddersfield will already be relegated by the time they visit.

the PL are doing whatever they can to help, just in case someone like Chelsea over run if and when they do attempt a new stadium, or if Man u ever try and redo OT up.

it is annoying that it has over run so long, and it has effected so many. it has also kind of helped many too. when the prices come out many where worried, and a lot of them have avoided going to Wembley, and providing they have put most of it aside for the new season the cost if they renew next season will not be such a strain. hopefully the club will freeze the prices, and add domestic cups as a sign of thanks for your patience (though if they read this thread that might not bother for a few).

 

[spursfan77]

@spursfan77 OK put it this way. What if in our CL group this season, we had had to play Barca away at the Camp Nou, but inter were allowed to play them at some neutral ground. Then imagine we went out of the comparison instead of Inter because they got a draw "away" to Barca whereas we lost at the camp nou.

You really don't see why there's an integrity/fairness issue there?

It wouldn’t bother me, like @DC Hotspur says there’s so many other variables at play during. Aseason. For example, UEFA regularly make clubs play behind closed doors in European competition for various reasons. That’s altering the fairness of the competition by its own governing body.

I think your looking too deeply into it. It’s just an excuse or it’s just something journalists are writing about because they’re mischief making.

 

[slartibartfast]

I have to admit I think its a bit off but it wont matter anyway as I really dont think we'll be in there until next season.
Unbelievable that such a critical safety system could be handled so poorly and thats all thats stopped us moving in months ago.
Whoever was behind that should be publicly hanged. Or never allowed to work in that industry again anyway. Knowing the way things work these days they'll probably get promoted and a fkin wage rise.

 

[nailsy]

It definitely affects the integrity of the competition. The whole way the league is structured relies on everyone playing each other home and away. Therefore it's a fair competition because everybody has the same situation. But if you have a team change grounds half way through, then some teams had to play them at their true home, where theoretically they have a slight advantage, whereas other teams had to play them in a neutral ground, which in theory at least, should be easier, therefore it's not fair on teams that had to play us at NWHL as opposed to a neutral ground.

Taking my spurs hat off and looking at it from a neutral perspective, i don't think anyone should be allowed to switch grounds mid way through the season at all, let alone with only a handful of games left.

It's certainly not ideal to move part way through the season, but these are exceptional circumstances. Making us play at Wembley for the remainder of the season would be equivalent to a six or seven million pound fine. If the league want their clubs to develop their stadiums they can't then punish them if things go wrong.

 

[buckley]

What affects the season is spurs playing all their games away . Idont hear anyone jumping to our defence let alone the financial hit the club will take .

 

[Tucker]

@spursfan77 OK put it this way. What if in our CL group this season, we had had to play Barca away at the Camp Nou, but inter were allowed to play them at some neutral ground. Then imagine we went out of the comparison instead of Inter because they got a draw "away" to Barca whereas we lost at the camp nou.

You really don't see why there's an integrity/fairness issue there?

The problem with this analogy is that Wembley is not a “neutral ground” for all intents and purpose, and wether we like it or not, it’s our home at the moment. We have the majority of tickets for home fans, the stadium is decked out in our colours etc. It’s in no way a neutral venue.

 

[nailsy]

What affects the season is spurs playing all their games away . Idont hear anyone jumping to our defence let alone the financial hit the club will take .

I wouldn't expect sympathy from anyone, but I don't think we should be punished for things outside our control either.

 

['O Zio]

Well then so do injuries, and the timing of cup matches and champions league and the weather....There are always going to be differences. To pick out one among countless differences that are arguably more important negates the power of your argument. The integrity of the competition is compromised every weekend by broadcasters, and cold fronts, the wealth of the fan base, and lifelong dreams to play for xxx. Yet each weekend teams play when they’re scheduled with the players and management they have been provided in a venue they have available. Just because things are not exactly identical doesn’t mean the integrity of the competition has been compromised - particularly when these differences are not manufactured with intention to gain an advantage.

And my points attack your argument not you personally. I don’t know you. You might be a hellava great guy or swell gal. It doesn’t matter.

Yeah but the difference is weather, injuries etc. Are all things you can't control so that's not really the same. I think where there's a conscious choice involved, then you should keep things as consistent as possible.

 

[coys200]

My reply was to the statement “ this ST purchase was just like any season”. Which clearly is utter nonsense. Obviously the actual issues with the build are unfortunate and ultimately I have no idea who is responsible for the delay. But I do know who is responsible for the appalling way communication regarding a 1.4k purchase has been handled. And I’m sorry but anyone that is totally nonchalant about not getting what they were promised or paid for simply hasn’t spent a single penny on this shambles.

 

[absolute bobbins]

My reply was to the statement “ this ST purchase was just like any season”. Which clearly is utter nonsense. Obviously the actual issues with the build are unfortunate and ultimately I have no idea who is responsible for the delay. But I do know who is responsible for the appalling way communication regarding a 1.4k purchase has been handled. And I’m sorry but anyone that is totally nonchalant about not getting what they were promised or paid for simply hasn’t spent a single penny on this shambles.

You’re promised the opportunity to watch football matches. That has been fulfilled and will be fulfilled again today. If the club wanted to, they’re well within their right to offer no refund at all.

No season ticket for any club guarantees the venue that the match will take place in and it should be obvious why clubs won’t guarantee it. Don’t dismiss others ability to be rational, constructive and pragmatic just because you can’t be.

There is no money grab by the club because the sums involved are peanuts, this isn’t a scam and they communicate all that is necessary to the fans. You only think otherwise because you camp out in this forum and glean a tiny bit of insight from some random on twitter.

 

[nailsy]

My reply was to the statement “ this ST purchase was just like any season”. Which clearly is utter nonsense. Obviously the actual issues with the build are unfortunate and ultimately I have no idea who is responsible for the delay. But I do know who is responsible for the appalling way communication regarding a 1.4k purchase has been handled. And I’m sorry but anyone that is totally nonchalant about not getting what they were promised or paid for simply hasn’t spent a single penny on this shambles.

Or alternatively they knew there was a chance of delays and have accepted it as it's outside the club's control.