New Stadium Details And Discussions

[ginola99]

Stadiums today cost an absolute fortune and then some.

Average stadium (including ball parks) in the states cost over $1billion. In fact the new Rams stadium in LA is likely to be the first top $2billion.

Been reading Stadia (5th Ed.) by Populous and there really has been some eye openers. About 20 minutes ago I found out the cost break downs on average for differing sizes of capacity. For 60,000 it breaks down like so:

Between £3-4,750 per seat (£180m - 290m in our case).

64% Accommodation
9% Transportation
12% Roof
14% Bowl Terracing
1% Event Area

On top of all this, we have a world first with 2 pitches, a ground breaking sliding pitch, the highest spec money can buy, a viewing galley underneath the northern roof, tons of glass (poss. bespoke) and all the lastest technologies. That's before you get into the complex construction with phasing of the build (only ever done once before in Europe, off the top of my headay - Bilboa).

Stadiums are not profitable buildings, well nor immediately after the build. It's not like housing where you can just throw them up and sell them. Stadia pay for themselves, over time, usually a long time.

 

[ziggy]

Pitch looks a bit ropey, reminds me of WHL in the 1970's

 

[Sandro30]

guy on skyscrapercity called peanut_spurs (who claims to be the old itk on coys called peanut, for those who remember him)
For clarity guys the cost is now £750-800m for the stadium, public realm works, NFL enablement etc. That figure does not include the rest of the scheme (i.e. property/hotel).

Common knowledge (in the Trust notes from early last week).

 

[spursfan77]

I'm still picking around the leaked email from Levy to the Mayor the other week.
I was not so sure that it was about the station upgrade as some suggested, but if the banks' concern cannot be over a planning issue or about the mayor's £28m regeneration funding, then I guess getting tfl to pull their finger out is it. Me bad.

Still odd that Haringey responded straight away to publicly reassure Levy that they were 100% committed to the project but Khan's office has been silent. Someone could have knocked up a meaningless PR statement in 5 mins.

Still had time to pass through Chelsea's new stadium in that time though. Who'd of thunk it!

 

[TaoistMonkey]

That 3rd tier going up looks like my attempt to build Ikea furniture.

 

[JollyHappy]

It seems to me that the steel work is going up very slowly compared to the rate of progress that was made on the concrete frame. Does anyone who knows about these things have any views on if that is normal?

 

[longtimespur]

Some nice shots of the stadium here
https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/838738280657059840

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

It seems to me that the steel work is going up very slowly compared to the rate of progress that was made on the concrete frame. Does anyone who knows about these things have any views on if that is normal?

From the pictures below, it looks like the top layer of cement isn't dry on the north west corner. Give em a break

 

[spursfan77]

From COYS but there's a Hotspur Sam on here I think, could be the same person?:


re the 800m

HotpsurSam on ssc emailed donna cullen..
Hello again Donna, hope you are well and in good fettle,

I am writing this time to ask if you are able to calm the on-line Spurs Stadium community about the cost of the new stadium.

In the latest minutes of the THST board to board meeting with the club, a figure of £800m was quoted as the cost now for the 'stadium' only - up some £400m from previously know public domain information. Can you please confirm this one way or the other please, so I can inform SSC and other forums, where discussion has become quite heated and vexed.

I imagine this cost will include the podium build plus the Tottenham Experience and maybe now the new Paxton Square/House complex as well.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best wishes

Sam


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Hi Samuel

It worth remembering that the original cost quoted for the stadium was some 7 years ago. This new 'estimated' figure relates predominantly to the stadium with some elements of substructure for the other builds particularly the Tottenham Experience. Brexit has added a straight 20% on costs for foreign goods due to the exchange rate, overtime working and increased construction costs similarly. Revised basement works also added to the cost. We are constantly managing costs and will continue to do so throughout the process along with funding plans to ensure the viability of the scheme.
Hope this helps D

 

[DanielCHillier]

It seems to me that the steel work is going up very slowly compared to the rate of progress that was made on the concrete frame. Does anyone who knows about these things have any views on if that is normal?

It's going up fairly quickly IMO, they're clearly doing the most complex sections around the core/cores first, once these are complete the rest should comparatively fly up. Also the areas in which they can install the steels is limited by the fact that a lot of the concrete isn't ready due to the 28 day strengthening period.

 

[Dinghy]

From COYS but there's a Hotspur Sam on here I think, could be the same person?:


re the 800m

HotpsurSam on ssc emailed donna cullen..
Hello again Donna, hope you are well and in good fettle,

I am writing this time to ask if you are able to calm the on-line Spurs Stadium community about the cost of the new stadium.

In the latest minutes of the THST board to board meeting with the club, a figure of £800m was quoted as the cost now for the 'stadium' only - up some £400m from previously know public domain information. Can you please confirm this one way or the other please, so I can inform SSC and other forums, where discussion has become quite heated and vexed.

I imagine this cost will include the podium build plus the Tottenham Experience and maybe now the new Paxton Square/House complex as well.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best wishes

Sam


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Hi Samuel

It worth remembering that the original cost quoted for the stadium was some 7 years ago. This new 'estimated' figure relates predominantly to the stadium with some elements of substructure for the other builds particularly the Tottenham Experience. Brexit has added a straight 20% on costs for foreign goods due to the exchange rate, overtime working and increased construction costs similarly. Revised basement works also added to the cost. We are constantly managing costs and will continue to do so throughout the process along with funding plans to ensure the viability of the scheme.
Hope this helps D

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/nwhl-stadium-costs.127862/

 

[SandroClegane]

From COYS but there's a Hotspur Sam on here I think, could be the same person?:


re the 800m

HotpsurSam on ssc emailed donna cullen..
Hello again Donna, hope you are well and in good fettle,

I am writing this time to ask if you are able to calm the on-line Spurs Stadium community about the cost of the new stadium.

In the latest minutes of the THST board to board meeting with the club, a figure of £800m was quoted as the cost now for the 'stadium' only - up some £400m from previously know public domain information. Can you please confirm this one way or the other please, so I can inform SSC and other forums, where discussion has become quite heated and vexed.

I imagine this cost will include the podium build plus the Tottenham Experience and maybe now the new Paxton Square/House complex as well.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best wishes

Sam


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Hi Samuel

It worth remembering that the original cost quoted for the stadium was some 7 years ago. This new 'estimated' figure relates predominantly to the stadium with some elements of substructure for the other builds particularly the Tottenham Experience. Brexit has added a straight 20% on costs for foreign goods due to the exchange rate, overtime working and increased construction costs similarly. Revised basement works also added to the cost. We are constantly managing costs and will continue to do so throughout the process along with funding plans to ensure the viability of the scheme.
Hope this helps D

Why does the cost matter to people? I'm not paying for it, so I'm not bothered.

 

[Dougal]

Why does the cost matter to people? I'm not paying for it, so I'm not bothered.

Do you not think it may affect ticket prices?

 

[widmerpool]

Do you not think it may affect ticket prices?

Ticket prices will always depend on the economics of supply and demand. It's transfer activity where the millstone will weigh heaviest.

 

[Dougal]

Ticket prices will always depend on the economics of supply and demand. It's transfer activity where the millstone will weigh heaviest.

We pay for that too if they get it wrong. Just not in cash. I'm not getting myself into a tizzy over the money so just playing Devil's Advocate, but it's in our best interests for this to be done without spiralling costs. Personally I think they're doing fine.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Why does the cost matter to people? I'm not paying for it, so I'm not bothered.

Yes you are.

 

[SandroClegane]

Do you not think it may affect ticket prices?

If we're using the ticket pricing to try and pay for the stadium than we can't afford it. Will match day revenue help pay off the stadium? Of course. But raising ticket prices to higher than expected levels won't pay off the stadium because people will just choose not to go and you'll have empty seats. It's a tricky ecosystem.

(I work in ticketing for a team)

 

[Dougal]

If we're using the ticket pricing to try and pay for the stadium than we can't afford it. Will match day revenue help pay off the stadium? Of course. But raising ticket prices to higher than expected levels won't pay off the stadium because people will just choose not to go and you'll have empty seats. It's a tricky ecosystem.

(I work in ticketing for a team)

It wouldn't pay it off alone but if I needed to raise a few bob I'd raise all my incomings where possible.

 

[Hoopspur]

Can't see what possible advantage it would be for Spurs to say it was coming in under on even on budget. I am sure the club will still be careful with their finances and our (the fans) prices will go up.

 

[JollyHappy]

It's going up fairly quickly IMO, they're clearly doing the most complex sections around the core/cores first, once these are complete the rest should comparatively fly up. Also the areas in which they can install the steels is limited by the fact that a lot of the concrete isn't ready due to the 28 day strengthening period.

Thanks for the helpful answer. I didn't know that there was a 28 day strengthening period which led to my question!