Morgan Schneiderlin

[DannyCB]

My only worry is that Krueger has no real experience here, and that Liebherr is just acting irrationally at this point. Nobody who can or is willing to back away from the ledge.

Sorted sorry!

 

[Mr Pink]

This Saint has it right:

It's all a PR war. Did anyone really believe Kruger when he said he's not going ?, without talking to the player ?. He's been made a pawn in a PR war and whilst I'm unhappy about his reaction, why has he been picked on ?
Let's face it we all know what is going on here. KL wants to sell the club, and why wouldn't she, why would she want to win a Prem club? She and the board have realised they can't sell a club who will go down and probably realising that is now a reality have panicked. A 3 yr deal for a cb who has as much time left as Lambert. Bringing in a replacement for Schneiderlin from Milan. Downgrading statements all the time 'we will spend 30m plus player sales', 'we'll reinvest all player sales', 'we'll spend a large amount of our transfer budget', 'sone of transfer budget needs to go to satisfying player contracts'. I think you have to be pretty deaf to not hear the theme here.
Most of the fans know this and the players certainly do. I think Schneiderlin has realised that thus window gives him more chance than Jan (I would have thought after their PR disaster SFC tactic was to ask Hi to stay until Jan to buy them time).
He's a player approaching his prime, been with us from the Championship down to league 1 and up again and we are showing zero ambition. Precedent had been set and he is rightly ****ed off.
Sadly for MS Krugers crass statement has in so many ways forced his hand. Let's say you were employed by a company clearly on the decline and all your talented colleagues were all allowed to leave when your boss suddenly announces to everyone that no matter what you are staying!
He'll go before this window is out, we've all known that for a while, it's just a shame that it has all ended with such bitterness. I don't believe MS is that kind of player.

 

[danielneeds]

We'll see @mrpink I think with the voilotility of Southampton and and the prospect that some of the people in charge may lose their head, it's hard to predict their next move at the moment...

I think this one will go close to the wire.

 

[thinktank]

This Saint has it right:

It's all a PR war. Did anyone really believe Kruger when he said he's not going ?, without talking to the player ?. He's been made a pawn in a PR war and whilst I'm unhappy about his reaction, why has he been picked on ?
Let's face it we all know what is going on here. KL wants to sell the club, and why wouldn't she, why would she want to win a Prem club? She and the board have realised they can't sell a club who will go down and probably realising that is now a reality have panicked. A 3 yr deal for a cb who has as much time left as Lambert. Bringing in a replacement for Schneiderlin from Milan. Downgrading statements all the time 'we will spend 30m plus player sales', 'we'll reinvest all player sales', 'we'll spend a large amount of our transfer budget', 'sone of transfer budget needs to go to satisfying player contracts'. I think you have to be pretty deaf to not hear the theme here.
Most of the fans know this and the players certainly do. I think Schneiderlin has realised that thus window gives him more chance than Jan (I would have thought after their PR disaster SFC tactic was to ask Hi to stay until Jan to buy them time).
He's a player approaching his prime, been with us from the Championship down to league 1 and up again and we are showing zero ambition. Precedent had been set and he is rightly ****ed off.
Sadly for MS Krugers crass statement has in so many ways forced his hand. Let's say you were employed by a company clearly on the decline and all your talented colleagues were all allowed to leave when your boss suddenly announces to everyone that no matter what you are staying!
He'll go before this window is out, we've all known that for a while, it's just a shame that it has all ended with such bitterness. I don't believe MS is that kind of player.

Spot on.

 

[Mr Pink]

We'll see @mrpink I think with the voilotility of Southampton and and the prospect that some of the people in charge may lose their head, it's hard to predict their next move at the moment...

I think this one will go close to the wire.

For me they created this mess. They chose to sell as many of their best players as the could. No one forced them to. Now you have a player, who looks like had their blessing to be sold to, acting incredibly frustrated because they've moved the goal posts.

They by all accounts had representatives in Toronto talking to us, so there were negotiations and that has given the player hope for a transfer...then they see the fans wrath over the Chambers sale and they've gone into ultra tough mode....MS responds in kind and now we have an impasse.

Add to that they're trying to completely blame him in the eyes of the fans. Their ultimatums are only going to infuriate him further I think.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Spot on.

For me they created this mess. They chose to sell as many of their best players as the could. No one forced them to. Now you have a player, who looks like had their blessing to be sold to, acting incredibly frustrated because they've moved the goal posts.

They by all accounts had representatives in Toronto talking to us, so there were negotiations and that has given the player hope for a transfer...then they see the fans wrath over the Chambers sale and they've gone into ultra tough mode....MS responds in kind and now we have an impasse.

Add to that they're trying to completely blame him in the eyes of the fans. Their ultimatums are only going to infuriate him further I think.

It's funny isn't it. Just a few weeks ago we were saying how they would say they won't sell and will do everything to make Morgan look like the villian. It was so obvious and we were right. Their plan is going on as we speak to perfection (it's actually quite admirable).

What's even funnier is that the Southampton fans are still falling for it even though some of them said the same as us.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

To piss somewhat on the parade of gloating from some in here, I suspect the probability that he leaves has gone up, but the probability he comes to us, hasn't.

If people think the decision not to sell was to appease the fans, then the decision to sell but not to us will appease them too.

I mooted this a few days ago, you can't help but feel we are enemy number one right now having taken the best coach they've had for decades - for nothing. An action which almost certainly contributed to the unrest and dissatisfaction of some their best players.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I mooted this a few days ago, you can't help but feel we are enemy number one right now having taken the best coach they've had for decades - for nothing. An action which almost certainly contributed to the unrest and dissatisfaction of some their best players.

Good point that I hadnt really considered, could well be a possibility.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Good point that I hadnt really considered, could well be a possibility.

Not to mention that unlike Liverpool/ManU/Southampton we are probably not prepared to meet their inflated valuation. Salt in wound.

 

[ajspurs]

I mooted this a few days ago, you can't help but feel we are enemy number one right now having taken the best coach they've had for decades - for nothing. An action which almost certainly contributed to the unrest and dissatisfaction of some their best players.

I know a lot of Saints fans that hate Liverpool a lot more than us at this moment in time. It's not far fetched to suggest that Poch was told it was no certainty that they'd be keeping hold of certain players. Lambert would have gone regardless, he loves Liverpool, probably Lallana too and Chambers because of the excessive money offered for him, same reason for Shaw, then Lovren would have the same reasons to leave as he has done in reality. Of course Poch leaving didn't help but I couldn't see Saints rejecting such offers for their players regardless of the manager.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Alex Goring Crook @alex_crook · 33m
Positive day for #saintsfc #fontw #forster still think Morgam will be off though

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think this is one big clusterfuck that has been handled badly by Southampton and Schniederlin. Some of you lot licking your chops at Schniederlin going on strike would be fucking apoplectic at the tosser if he was doing that to us. Bottom line is, this **** is still being paid a kings fucking ransom to do a job the rest of the world would dream of. It's not like we are fucking ManU or RM. By all means ask for a move, but get in to work and do the job you're paid for.

This shit sets a dangerous precedent that I don't like at all. If we get CL and ManC decide to nick Poch of us, it will be us paying Schnierlin's wages while he sulks for a move to City.

On the other hand Southampton have behaved like two bob amateurs. If it;'s not asset stripping then it's the worst piece of football stewardship we've seen for quite a while. They've sold everything that moves and the only reason they are pissing in Schniederlin's wind is it's us and we are refusing to meet their 75m valuation. What did they think would happen if the sold every **** worth wank. Bit harsh expecting Schniederlin to stay behind and play the last walz whilst their titanic sinks slowly.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I think this is one big clusterfuck that has been handled badly by Southampton and Schniederlin. Some of you lot licking your chops at Schniederlin going on strike would be fucking apoplectic at the tosser if he was doing that to us. Bottom line is, this **** is still being paid a kings fucking ransom to do a job the rest of the world would dream of. It's not like we are fucking ManU or RM. By all means ask for a move, but get in to work and do the job you're paid for.

This shit sets a dangerous precedent that I don't like at all. If we get CL and ManC decide to nick Poch of us, it will be us paying Schnierlin's wages while he sulks for a move to City.

On the other hand Southampton have behaved like two bob amateurs. If it;'s not asset stripping then it's the worst piece of football stewardship we've seen for quite a while. They've sold everything that moves and the only reason they are pissing in Schniederlin's wind is it's us and we are refusing to meet their 75m valuation. What did they think would happen if the sold every **** worth wank. Bit harsh expecting Schniederlin to stay behind and play the last woalz whilst their titanic sinks slowly.

I think the fact that we've been fucked over so many times is why we're happy we're doing it ourselves. It's unbelievably hypocritical but it's something we're not used to so we'll enjoy it while we can. We all know that in a few years (or less) Barca and Madrid will probably be after the likes of Vertonghen, Lloris, Eriksen and Lamela so we might as well get some enjoyment over this saga. Most footballers are ****s but there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Amo]

Why is it that football clubs seem to be the only type of business that can hold its staff like this?

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Sorry BC, this is 100% down to the southampton board... The guy sold his flat on those promises..... i doubt anyone would complain if Levy had sold half our first team, then fucked over our best player after telling him he could leave

 

[Rethink]

I think this is one big clusterfuck that has been handled badly by Southampton and Schniederlin. Some of you lot licking your chops at Schniederlin going on strike would be fucking apoplectic at the tosser if he was doing that to us. Bottom line is, this **** is still being paid a kings fucking ransom to do a job the rest of the world would dream of. It's not like we are fucking ManU or RM. By all means ask for a move, but get in to work and do the job you're paid for.

This shit sets a dangerous precedent that I don't like at all. If we get CL and ManC decide to nick Poch of us, it will be us paying Schnierlin's wages while he sulks for a move to City.

On the other hand Southampton have behaved like two bob amateurs. If it;'s not asset stripping then it's the worst piece of football stewardship we've seen for quite a while. They've sold everything that moves and the only reason they are pissing in Schniederlin's wind is it's us and we are refusing to meet their 75m valuation. What did they think would happen if the sold every **** worth wank. Bit harsh expecting Schniederlin to stay behind and play the last woalz whilst their titanic sinks slowly.

whilst morally i'm 100% with you ...its nice.. just once .. not to be the victim of the situation

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I mooted this a few days ago, you can't help but feel we are enemy number one right now having taken the best coach they've had for decades - for nothing. An action which almost certainly contributed to the unrest and dissatisfaction of some their best players.

Are they STILL not over the Glenn Hoddle thing yet?!?

Oh, right, yeah. Sorry.

 

[1971 Spur]

Sorry if this has been previously posted.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think this is one big clusterfuck that has been handled badly by Southampton and Schniederlin. Some of you lot licking your chops at Schniederlin going on strike would be fucking apoplectic at the tosser if he was doing that to us. Bottom line is, this **** is still being paid a kings fucking ransom to do a job the rest of the world would dream of. It's not like we are fucking ManU or RM. By all means ask for a move, but get in to work and do the job you're paid for.

This shit sets a dangerous precedent that I don't like at all. If we get CL and ManC decide to nick Poch of us, it will be us paying Schnierlin's wages while he sulks for a move to City.

On the other hand Southampton have behaved like two bob amateurs. If it;'s not asset stripping then it's the worst piece of football stewardship we've seen for quite a while. They've sold everything that moves and the only reason they are pissing in Schniederlin's wind is it's us and we are refusing to meet their 75m valuation. What did they think would happen if the sold every **** worth wank. Bit harsh expecting Schniederlin to stay behind and play the last woalz whilst their titanic sinks slowly.

Your last paragraph exonerates his strategy /behavior to a huge extent IMO.

Lets be honest they are asset stripping and have realised that they can't over do it as the Club still has to be doing competently etc.

MS was, it appears, led to believe he would be sold and under the circumstances was probably very relieved. Saints ITK confirm that they moved the goal posts after seeing the reaction of the fans from selling Chambers - which in itself must of been massively frustrating. MS has been there 6 years and has been instrumental to their rise to prominence. Some kid gets sold for 16 million after a handful of games, Lovren after one season....

Now whilst we don't like to see these exceptionally well played footballers act like fucks in these situations, I think these circumstances are rather different. In fact they're very different.

If you're MS looking around you're thinking what ambition.

So far as precedent goes this is a rather unique situation. Had Southampton only sold one or two of them (Lallana and Shaw for example) and were clearly trying to reinvest I would be a lot less tolerant of a strategy like this and it would be, quite clearly, setting a very dangerous precedent.

Ultimately he's trying to jump off a sinking ship and given that they, it appears, have gone back on their word...its backed him into a corner and he's been left with little choice.

End of the day it will come down to how much we offer in the end. These antics will probably drive down the price a bit but it won't be considerable - as much as our wee dear leader will be hoping due to it being us and the reasons you cite.

 

[FreddieYid]

Modric was made a promise by Levy, that the club that reneged on, and was given no end of abuse for the way he acted.

MS seems to be doing a similar thing and a lot of us who had very strong views on the Modric saga, seem to be ok with it. I personally don't like it when a player behaves like this, as he may well do the same here in a couple of seasons when our special partners come knocking.

But the bottom line is, I really want us to get MS. It's a sad reality of the modern game, and when it works in your favour it's easier to accept than when it's one of your own.

At the end of the day we all just want the best for our own team.