Lee Dixon - "We've overacheived" !

[wills]

I actually think Dixon is a pretty good pundit. We should turn off our Spurs bias and look and listen without out prejudice. We are in an amazing position and I hope we can sustain and kick on from here till the end of the season. But at the beginning of the season did we really expect to be where we are? Probably not, it's a bonus that we are in this position and has lead to talk of the title. I think right now that points to over achievement, however we carry on and that becomes proven form.

 

[akie]

Let 'experts' talk us down, more incentive to prove them wrong

 

[AngerManagement]

I think its fair to question if a team is in a false position or where they "deserve" to be when they have had a run of fixtures over the first half of the season that has avoided away trips to all the top teams except Man U.

I am not saying I think we are in a false position or indeed I think we will suddenly collapse when we have the run of difficult fixtures (we may step up to the challenge)

I am simply saying its a fair question to raise about a club like us in the position we find ourselves with such a run a head of us.

If we are still there or there abouts by the time the full time whistle goes at Stamford Bridge there will be no denying we are where we deserve to be and not a single pundit will question our achievement.

Lets see what happens, because we have very tough fixtures coming up and 10 points can be made up pretty quick if we have a poor run of form during this time.

Please don't mistake me for a doom and gloomer, I am certainly not saying we are about to go into free fall I am simply highlighting the potential for things to go wrong and giving credit to what Dixon is saying, I don't think it is fair at all for people to jump down his throat for what I personally feel are pretty fair questions to raise.

 

[Spurrific]

We aren't overachieving now, we were underachieving before.

 

[$hoguN]

Even now I bet his mum is considering having him aborted.

:lol:

 

[Krafty]

He also said that just because we drew doesn't mean we aren't still title challengers.

I don't have a problem with what he said, in the context of what he was saying he was being quite appreciative and commendable of our team, and I've generally found him to be one of the better pundits in general, and with regards to our team in particular.

 

[tommo84]

I think there's 2 ways to look at what Lee Dixon said:

1 - He meant over-achieving with regards to wage structure and revenues etc. In that respect he's right, and Harry is doing a tremendous job. We're spending less and winning and more.

On the other-hand, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are all under-achieving as a result of either spending top money on average players or in Arsenal's case stubbornly sticking to an increasingly out-dated philosophy of building the team around youth.

2 - He's saying over-achieving with his Arsenal specs on as its a thinly veiled way of saying that he expects (read as hopes) the bubble will burst/has burst. I've been hearing that sort of thing from fans of all our rivals except the United fans I know who are enjoying what we're doing as they hate Liverpool and Chelsea and Wenger and are enjoying seeing them struggle to qualify for the Champs League.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

We still have every chance of the title - it depends on how the Manchester sides perform between now and the end of the season, as well as how we continue and they have been dropping points too.

We haven't over-achieved IMHO. We are simply having an excellent season with a strong squad, indeed the strongest for many seasons.

The pressure this season is intense, especially at the top of the table, and we are bound to drop points in some games. No team can have a 100% win record and off-days are part of the scenario, not just for us but for all teams.

I'm still hopeful and we really shouldn't be feeling unhappy about our current position - we should be enjoying it; our record this season speaks for itself and we don't have to accept or give credit to an ex-Gooner's opinion. He is probably smarting a bit right now at his old team's performances and position in the table.

 

[rawhide]

I think there's 2 ways to look at what Lee Dixon said:

1 - He meant over-achieving with regards to wage structure and revenues etc. In that respect he's right, and Harry is doing a tremendous job. We're spending less and winning and more.

On the other-hand, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are all under-achieving as a result of either spending top money on average players or in Arsenal's case stubbornly sticking to an increasingly out-dated philosophy of building the team around youth.

2 - He's saying over-achieving with his Arsenal specs on as its a thinly veiled way of saying that he expects (read as hopes) the bubble will burst/has burst. I've been hearing that sort of thing from fans of all our rivals except the United fans I know who are enjoying what we're doing as they hate Liverpool and Chelsea and Wenger and are enjoying seeing them struggle to qualify for the Champs League.

Tommo, I hope you don't mind if I add a third.

3 - He is saying that we are in a higher position than the vast majority of people (Spurs fans included) EXPECTED us to be at this stage of the season. We have competed for 4th place for the last few seasons, and while we have made some exceedingly shrewd signings, and are now playing the best football in the league, there was an expectation at the start of the season (pre Parker et al) that we would be where Chelsea are (battling for the 4th CL spot) and Chelsea would be where we are (battling for the title - how good does it sound to say that!)

 

[Bus-Conductor]

We are not over achieving in terms of the quality of the players we have in relation to the quality of players others around us have. I think the team doing most over achieving on that basis is Man Utd.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

we are currently over achieving this season. we over achieved last season and we over achieved the season before that. by far the most influential factor in determining league position is the total amount of wages paid to players. it dwarfs any other factor. we have the 6th highest total wage bill in the league. anything above 6th is over achievement.

 

[turbo_lennon]

I think that's what Dixon probably meant - because he's usually pretty fair, and he's not a bad pundit either (playing career aside).

He's probably using the Sky definition of a word, whereby the actual word used isn't what he intended. Or something like that. I like Dixon as a pundit.

Let them underestimate us - you notice how as soon as people start talking up our title chances we draw against Wolves? I'm not believing the hype and then secretly hope that we'll sneak it in May. :lol:

I agree. When I saw the clip, in context, I reached the conclusion that he had just used the incorrect word - overachieving was not the point he was trying to make, but in the context of 'they set themselve the target of top four', Spurs are currently exceeding that level (or something along those lines which is a little more succinct).

Dixon is a good pundit and gives a fair, sensible view on most matters.

On that note, G Neville makes some very good points too.

 

[double0]

where punching above our weight for sure, compared to ManC ManU Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal, they have a much greater financial purse and wage structure than we do...so a guess were over achieving

 

[Maske2g]

Dixon in another programme was very praising of us, as was Merson, and Ray Parlour.

Alan Smith however, is still a slag

 

[worcestersauce]

I think he did mean as in we have achieved more than we set out to do so I'm ok with it, in fact I hope we over achieve all the way to the title.

 

[Spurs in Belgium]

On MOTD 2 Lee Dixon said we'd overacheived !What an insult . What arrogance . We have not overacheived , our position in the league is down to playing well. No more - no less. The same was said before when we got into Europe and I get tired of hearing these remarks, especially from knowledgable "pundits" . We deserve the recognition and respect of our rivals - if they can't accept that we have earnt our position then they should keep quiet. The sooner they realise the "Top Four" is not a closed shop the sooner they will wake up to reality. COYS

I thought he was talking about Arsenal!

 

[Wellspurs]

Dixon is a Man City fan so not an out and out goon.

 

[MR_BEN]

i think you've taken this a bit defensively to be honest.

It can be seen as praise. We werent expected to do as well as we are, therefore we are over achieving. simples.

 

[Ionman34]

we are currently over achieving this season. we over achieved last season and we over achieved the season before that. by far the most influential factor in determining league position is the total amount of wages paid to players. it dwarfs any other factor. we have the 6th highest total wage bill in the league. anything above 6th is over achievement.

There is an exception to every rule and it appears that we are it in this respect.

The plain fact of the matter is that when you consistently perform to a particular level, then that is your level, it is not an overachievement.

By your reckoning, the goons and bindippers are better than us because they pay their players more money. How many of the either team would you swap for our current personnel?

Yours isn't an assessment of the players' abilities, nor of the coaching or management. It is the assessment of an Accountant looking at a balance book rather than a Football team.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

Incorrect.