Kyle Walker - One of the world's best right backs?

[Led's Zeppelin]

He's good but he still makes quite a few bone head mistakes at terrible times and still offers next to nothing going forward. Best in the world? Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha no.

"Offers next to nothing going forward ".

I know irony isn't the right terms for this literary device, and I doubt that it's satire.

No. I'm stumped.

 

[longtimespur]

Laughable to be honest.

Not that title that Walker (and Rose) are being given, but the Spurs fans who laugh at that, and then critisise about mistakes in him, or end product not good enough.

To me, both Rose and Walker are un-bloody-believable wing backs. Both at the very top of their game, putting in a ridiculous amount of effort in every game they play. We have in our clubs two of the best wing backs around (and I'll say around the world). Neither may not be the best, but they are right up alongisde some of the best wing backs in the game today.

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Hit the nail on the head.......... WING backs not full backs.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Are "wing backs" like Kyle Walker not full backs in the same way that "sweeper keepers" like Manuel Neuer are not goalkeepers?

 

[scottishbairn]

How does Walker compare with other full backs in regards to key passes, assists and goals?

 

[Riandor]

I think people give others too much credit at times. I've seen plenty of so called world class fb's make complete numpties of themselves on various occasions and yet they're forgiven because "they're the best because they play for RM or Barcelona, or or or".

I wouldn't go as far to say Kyle is the best, but his performances this season have been mostly really good and in the last three games for England have been excellent! In the past three games for England he has been MoM twice and up there in the other.

I agree with @Shanks , in any other country he would be lauded for his ability, not criticised for his mistakes.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

I'd love to see this supposed massive list of right-backs in the world better than Walker. He's top 6-8 now, no doubt about it.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Are "wing backs" like Kyle Walker not full backs in the same way that "sweeper keepers" like Manuel Neuer are not goalkeepers?

I thought it was more in the same way that Dembele is a quasi-crypto-psuedo-counter-false-half-trequartista.

 

[jurgen]

I think people give others too much credit at times. I've seen plenty of so called world class fb's make complete numpties of themselves on various occasions and yet they're forgiven because "they're the best because they play for RM or Barcelona, or or or".

I wouldn't go as far to say Kyle is the best, but his performances this season have been mostly really good and in the last three games for England have been excellent! In the past three games for England he has been MoM twice and up there in the other.

I agree with @Shanks , in any other country he would be lauded for his ability, not criticised for his mistakes.

Nowadays the FB is likely to be the busiest player, especially for us, and seemingly England. I prefer Rose's composure and close control, but Walker obviously does offer something going forward - I've been pleasantly surprised with some of his interchange play so far in the tournament, as well as his running of course. Given that he is almost always crossing while running full pelt, I think it is to be expected that a few will get overhit.

Personally from what I've seen so far our fullbacks have looked about the best in the tournament thus far, or at least right up there - especially in terms of how much attacking responsibility they carry. Having said that, we've played defensive and not very technical teams so far so let's see how we go..

 

[Disconosebleed]

Laughable to be honest.

Not that title that Walker (and Rose) are being given, but the Spurs fans who laugh at that, and then critisise about mistakes in him, or end product not good enough.

To me, both Rose and Walker are un-bloody-believable wing backs. Both at the very top of their game, putting in a ridiculous amount of effort in every game they play. We have in our clubs two of the best wing backs around (and I'll say around the world). Neither may not be the best, but they are right up alongisde some of the best wing backs in the game today.

Most clubs around would be celebrating, we seem to want more out of them.

Couldn't be more proud that these two are both at our club, puts us in a blood great position not only as an advert of how players develop at our club, but also players coming to play with players that are right up there with the worlds best.

They have booth been fantastic this season, and even better in the Euro's.

The future is good lads, very good - enjoy it!

You can celebrate how much Walker has improved and how good he has become, while being aware enough to recognise that he's probably slightly below the elite level. He's good enough not to need that hyperbole.

 

[Roynie]

Sorry but I just can't take Ferdinand seriously, he reminds me too much of Plug from the Bash Street Gang!

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

You can celebrate how much Walker has improved and how good he has become, while being aware enough to recognise that he's probably slightly below the elite level. He's good enough not to need that hyperbole.

Yes but take a look around the world at the minute - who IS at the elite level? There's no-one at the level of Lahm, Evra, Cole at their peak. One of the best doesn't mean you're as good as the best. Walker can be one of the best without being quite as good as Juanfran.

 

[Disconosebleed]

Yes but take a look around the world at the minute - who IS at the elite level? There's no-one at the level of Lahm, Evra, Cole at their peak. One of the best doesn't mean you're as good as the best. Walker can be one of the best without being quite as good as Juanfran.

Well this is what I said previously, regarding the lack of a definition for what 'world class' or 'one of the world's best' actually means. If your definition of world class is, say, 'top ten in his position in the world', then yeah Walker probably is world class. If your definition is top five, he's probably struggling. As I mentioned before, my preferred definition is loosely along the lines of 'would he be good enough to play for one of the elite sides ie. Barca, Madrid or Bayern' (it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue), and I would say that in the big games against other top sides, Walker would be a weak link in any of those sides simply because the level of opposition is so high.

That's not a criticism of him as such, but an acceptance that the level you're playing at when you reach those games probably requires a bit more technique than Walker offers, plus the elimination of those silly mistakes he has been prone to in the past. If Walker has another consistent season next year then maybe we can accept that the concentration issues are finished and you can legitimately call him one of the best around.

I would say at the same time that no player exists in a vacuum, and while Walker might not be the best right back in the world, he's probably one of the best for our system, given his ability to get up and down for 90 minutes, essentially playing as a one-man wing the way Cafu used to.

 

[Riandor]

Yes but take a look around the world at the minute - who IS at the elite level? There's no-one at the level of Lahm, Evra, Cole at their peak. One of the best doesn't mean you're as good as the best. Walker can be one of the best without being quite as good as Juanfran.

Lahm aside, who was unreal..., Evra, skinned by Lennon every match, Cole? Seen enough really bad mistakes from him too. Maicon? Taxi got booked.

We see Walker under a microscope every week. We analyze everything he does and often compare his mistakes vs the good things others do, it's unfair. Walker is NOT the best RB in the world, but he has been pretty much THE best at the euros so far and I would be shocked if he is not in the best XI team come end of the tournament, unless we are eliminated in the first ko round.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Cole was full of mistakes and Evra made a fair few, but they were still exceptionally good fullbacks, as is Walker.

 

[Riandor]

Cole was full of mistakes and Evra made a fair few, but they were still exceptionally good fullbacks, as is Walker.

My point precisely.
Memory is a funny thing, we remember all those great fb's and for good reason, but because walker is the here and now and prone to mistakes, that's what gets the attention.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Well this is what I said previously, regarding the lack of a definition for what 'world class' or 'one of the world's best' actually means. If your definition of world class is, say, 'top ten in his position in the world', then yeah Walker probably is world class. If your definition is top five, he's probably struggling. As I mentioned before, my preferred definition is loosely along the lines of 'would he be good enough to play for one of the elite sides ie. Barca, Madrid or Bayern' (it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue), and I would say that in the big games against other top sides, Walker would be a weak link in any of those sides simply because the level of opposition is so high.

That's not a criticism of him as such, but an acceptance that the level you're playing at when you reach those games probably requires a bit more technique than Walker offers, plus the elimination of those silly mistakes he has been prone to in the past. If Walker has another consistent season next year then maybe we can accept that the concentration issues are finished and you can legitimately call him one of the best around.

I would say at the same time that no player exists in a vacuum, and while Walker might not be the best right back in the world, he's probably one of the best for our system, given his ability to get up and down for 90 minutes, essentially playing as a one-man wing the way Cafu used to.

“If you look at Kyle Walker's pace and intensity, he is like a machine,” Ferdinand told the BBC.

“He puts the opposition full-back under pressure. He asks whether you are ready to run with me and if not, he will motor past you.

“There might be questions on how he plays in his own third, but as for when you are on the front foot, I don't think there are many better in the world. He is like a winger.”

Where did the word world class come into this?

 

[Spurrific]

The fact that the first instinct with some of you lot is to sneer at our own players receiving praise says so much about the inherently prick-ish nature of our fanbase. Fair enough if you want to debate the merits of what is said (even though most of those sneering have seemingly only read the headline), but laughing and goading anybody that has the cheek to talk positively about our players just makes you look like a twat.

 

[tiger666]

The fact that the first instinct with some of you lot is to sneer at our own players receiving praise says so much about the inherently prick-ish nature of our fanbase. Fair enough if you want to debate the merits of what is said (even though most of those sneering have seemingly only read the headline), but laughing and goading anybody that has the cheek to talk positively about our players just makes you look like a twat.

Scoring internet points is more important to some people on here.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Bale had no joy against Walker or Rose.

The cupcake had to dive because Walker made him his bitch.

Let that soak in

 

[Shanks]

You can celebrate how much Walker has improved and how good he has become, while being aware enough to recognise that he's probably slightly below the elite level. He's good enough not to need that hyperbole.

Sorry dude, walker is absolutely at 'elite' level, in every sense of the word.